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if you consider game-breaking mechanics that are being pointed out by the people who are most likely to use them to be tears, well I'm sorry for you.

Good, smartbombing on gates is dead. It wasn't scaling correctly anyway when comparing warp-out invulnerability to warp-in vulnerability.
Either you can die to AOE damage while you warp out (you can't right now on TQ) as well warping in (smartbombing gate camps, which works on TQ).

CCP leading the war in fair game balancing. :yes:
Maybe you should have been complaining about that first Makalu, before demanding only partial functionality to remain partial functionality.

Does a fleet warp move stuff at the same speed? (I don't have test server access)

Just to echo a lot of people here. Stuff magically appearing on grid breaks immersion - can't it just visably warp in faster or is it server ticks limited?

How does it look with one of these warp speed rigged inties warping around on grid? Does the ship just teleport between points? Can someone put a video up?

Thanks.

Folks proposing increasing the server tick rate are pretty much wrong for this reason. Increasing the server tick rate is already possible - you've seen it demonstrated in the alliance tournament.

However, the real issues with ships insta-appearing on grid are more than likely related to the time delays in getting the server information from London to your client. These effects already exist - the game is slightly slower in the US, noticeably slower in Australia, and pretty bloody quick in the UK by comparison. ( Yes, I've played in all these locations) Now that ships decelerate faster these issues are much more apparent.

Yes, smaller ships warping faster is fun and ultimately its good for the game. But ships insta-appearing on grid is not. Small ships need to decelerate slower so the server has time to update the client.

That was the entirety of my point. Yes, you have a fast connection with low latency and yet you still get the issue with ships insta-appearing on grid.

Your hi-speed connection still can't update your client fast enough with the server information. Running the server ticks faster wont fix this. And anyway, even if it did, the problem would re-appear immediately when TiDi kicked in and the server tick slowed.

Silly you. Pizza doesn't have caps.

We are 100% right on topic here - as the topic here is that *YOU* (and other elite pvp guys) think the mechanics will now be broken in Rubicon, whereas I point out that perhaps the mechanics for smartbombing gate camps has so far not been working as intended and a fix for it has been long overdue.

Furthermore, I have no idea why you would think your perception of the warp speed changes is a) the predominant perception among eve players and b) the correct perception and that all other viewpoints is a "mild case of retardation".

Sorry to say so, but your comment once again resembles a giant bucket of tears.

PS: Pizza has no capitals.

Are you trying to insinuate the Honorable Alliance I belong to, would stoop to such levels as exploiting the living **** out of this mechanic for our own personal gain??

We are the ones whining about it, don't you know

So what you are saying is that its no longer viable to field fleets of only capitals / super capitals and that the obvious solution (ie. bring subcaps in order to kill tackle) is not on the table at all.

Now who would that hurt the most? Can you think of alliances who so far has been living large on the premise that bringing only supers and capitals is enough to win a fight? Damn, I really have no idea who this would hurt the most.

PL? Us? lol

Most of the larger, aggressive, rich pvp groups are pretty OK with the meta and tactics changing prior to a patch -- they/we tend to figure out these things before the patch hits, and change our tactics accordingly. It's annoying when comps and tactics you have been using for years/months/whatever become invalidated overnight but we have learned to roll with those punches.

You seem to be under the mistaken impression that 'fielding caps' is the goal of these types of groups, when in fact 'getting kills and dying as little as possible' is the goal.

If it becomes folly to use them as a result of these mechanics, we and groups like ours will generally be ok with simply changing our tactics and buying differant ships and doing what we need to do to get kills.

This doesn't change the fact that you'll have interceptors, and cyno covops lighting cynos and popping bubbles before you even know they are there. essentially making them stealth ships that get an action while cloaked -- this can be used just as effectively to catch and kill subcap gangs.

The scenario will be your 20 man rupture gang will get a 200,000k EHP hyperspace rigged, implanted loki and his 5 dictor buddies popping a bubble and a cyno on your 'lol we're so cool' arty rupture or whatever **** gang you decide to run before you even know they are there.

By the time you realize they are actually there (ie see them on your overview), your fleet has been bubbled, your most expensive ship is already pointed, and the stuff coming through the cyno is 2 seconds away from spawning on grid.

This will basically give the larger aggressive alliances who have the ability to coordinate these types of attacks a massive advantage over the little guy.

I'm sorry you're too obtuse to realize that, if this stands I will enjoy collecting your killmails :)