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Bastion 'select-a-mode' (Tank or Gank with different fuel)
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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-10-17 00:33:33 UTC
I'd like it much more if Bastion was an all or nothing slider sort of thing, 'FULL POWER TO WEAPONS' or 'FULL POWER TO TANK' that you decide before you turn it on, with either application severely nerfing the other. Two different isotopes maybe for the different applications.

Then you get into neat tradeoffs where a few marauders activate WTF bbq ability and become immediate threats, rather then them turning it on and nobody shooting them for a few minutes and focusing on their gangmates. They could even have the same visual que so you'd have to really guess which way they went, forcing you to waste time shooting ultimate tank while their friends nail you.






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Harlon Cordarii
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2013-10-17 01:42:54 UTC
Bastion mode with scripts perhaps?
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#3 - 2013-10-17 02:23:59 UTC
It's a novelty but it's a better idea than the official version
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#4 - 2013-10-17 02:29:18 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
I'd like it much more if Bastion was an all or nothing slider sort of thing, 'FULL POWER TO WEAPONS' or 'FULL POWER TO TANK' that you decide before you turn it on, with either application severely nerfing the other. Two different isotopes maybe for the different applications.

Stop... you might make Bastion popular. Lol

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Octoven
Stellar Production
#5 - 2013-10-17 02:35:33 UTC
Now see this is why you should be a dev Lol I rather like the idea... it allows a bit of freedom with the module allowing people to choose if they want to sit out and snipe or get in your face and brawl. The nice bit about it is that player has a choice which is something that the current interation lacks and tbh I realllly think that this will indeed help put bastion back into focus.

Most of the gripe has been about web bonuses but tbh its the forced tank and range thats doing my head in. I can't believe even though I hate losing webs on marauders I would say this...but I support this measure

/signed

Hopefully more will support as well. On a side note I think I prefer the scripts idea better than different isotopes. Id liked to have flexibility on the field without sacrificing space. scripts change easy and take **** all in terms of space.
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#6 - 2013-10-17 02:44:29 UTC
Yes this idea is so much better than just hey have some more tank and projection. The tank would have to heavily nerfed though to make it at all balanced.50% drop in Local and RR reps being received sounds fair with a 50% bonus to damage.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#7 - 2013-10-17 02:45:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Octoven wrote:
Most of the gripe has been about web bonuses but tbh its the forced tank and range thats doing my head in. I can't believe even though I hate losing webs on marauders I would say this...but I support this measure

/signed

Hopefully more will support as well. On a side note I think I prefer the scripts idea better than different isotopes. Id liked to have flexibility on the field without sacrificing space. scripts change easy and take **** all in terms of space.

Marauders are a mixed bag of snakes at this point. I like the idea of isotopes, and I also like the idea of requiring isotope usage to power the sucker (otherwise you end up with unlimited DPS or tank).

Icarus Able wrote:
Yes this idea is so much better than just hey have some more tank and projection. The tank would have to heavily nerfed though to make it at all balanced.50% drop in Local and RR reps being received sounds fair with a 50% bonus to damage.

Not necessarily (see above). 50% damage might be a bit much; 25% is probably more reasonable.

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Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#8 - 2013-10-17 03:07:39 UTC
This is something I don't understand: people were arguing over having marauders double-duty as mini-dreads sure, but I don't remember a single person in the lead up to marauders being announced as next in line saying anything like: I want my marauders mediocre damage and damage application to be projected further at the expense of being unable to move for any reason.

It's not even like the golem - for example - is even going to APPLY its damage any better with torps. Not to mention extreme vulnerability to being neuted out. Fekkin seriously? At least let bastion mode burn isotopes or something and have it boost the capacitor capacity by 300% or something.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#9 - 2013-10-17 03:24:00 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
This is something I don't understand: people were arguing over having marauders double-duty as mini-dreads sure, but I don't remember a single person in the lead up to marauders being announced as next in line saying anything like: I want my marauders mediocre damage and damage application to be projected further at the expense of being unable to move for any reason.

Good one. Maybe we missed the memo...

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Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-10-17 03:52:54 UTC
I'm not worried about the numbers but I think the concept has merit.

I'm mostly coming at this from a gang perspective. Right now if I'm in a fleet and I see one of these things in a gang activate bastion mode, I put a scram on it and ignore it until it's done with bastion and kill his friends in the mean time.

If it has a possibility of turning into a dps monster I have to treat it differently. Or maybe he's playing a trick and activating the megatank instead? I just wasted a good amount of time telling my gang mates to shoot him.

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Vlad Cetes
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#11 - 2013-10-17 03:58:31 UTC
It's a good idea but IMO the script should have two settings:

All gank: 25% damage bonus with the damage projection bonus

All tank: Rep speed, rep capacitor reduction and rep amount boost.
Caleb Seremshur
Bloodhorn
Patchwork Freelancers
#12 - 2013-10-17 04:01:26 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
This is something I don't understand: people were arguing over having marauders double-duty as mini-dreads sure, but I don't remember a single person in the lead up to marauders being announced as next in line saying anything like: I want my marauders mediocre damage and damage application to be projected further at the expense of being unable to move for any reason.

Good one. Maybe we missed the memo...


hmm?

Are you insinuating that all marauders are created equal? They're not... 2 of them aren't even that useful outside of L4's/anoms.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#13 - 2013-10-17 04:26:04 UTC
Caleb Seremshur wrote:
hmm? Are you insinuating that all marauders are created equal? They're not... 2 of them aren't even that useful outside of L4's/anoms.

I'm flat-out saying EVE has become DPS-allergic.

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Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#14 - 2013-10-17 04:27:27 UTC
I support this, but I honestly think the scripts should only be changed in a station or via a ship maintenance array/bay.

That way, you can still swap out on field, but you'll need to commit a carrier.

Katrina Oniseki
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#15 - 2013-10-17 12:09:49 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
I support this, but I honestly think the scripts should only be changed in a station or via a ship maintenance array/bay.

That way, you can still swap out on field, but you'll need to commit a carrier.


And the need for that is what exactly? Keep it in line with other scripted modules and as the Marauders description notes that they are designed for "extended deployment behind enemy lines" so may not have Captials\Stations available.

A >1 billion ISK ship should have the ability to change scripts on-the-fly as the situation dictates\demands. Carriers can refit from each other on-the-fly as demonstrated by Rooks and Kings in some of their videos but that would too OP for a Marauder but allowing scripts to be swapped I see as being fine.

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Nag'o
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2013-10-17 12:28:41 UTC
I disagree. The DPS role on the battleship size is filled by the pirate ships. The combat T2 role is resilience. If you give DPS along with resistance, repair and projection buffs to Marauders then there's no reason for people to fly any other ships. They will be able to fill two major roles with a single hull and the drawback for that is they have to change a script? Or fuel?

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Octoven
Stellar Production
#17 - 2013-10-17 14:16:46 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:
I support this, but I honestly think the scripts should only be changed in a station or via a ship maintenance array/bay.

That way, you can still swap out on field, but you'll need to commit a carrier.


Unfortunately because of new structure mods you can now drop and refit without carriers so this idea while nice is not really needed now that you just carry a depot with you.

Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Marauders are a mixed bag of snakes at this point. I like the idea of isotopes, and I also like the idea of requiring isotope usage to power the sucker (otherwise you end up with unlimited DPS or tank).


I wasn't arguing the lack of isotopes to power bastion mode, only that you use one type of isotope and leave the switch mode on the module as scripts to be changed out.
Oswald Bolke
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#18 - 2013-10-17 15:17:18 UTC
so wait, now you can burn somebody with tank, and when they shoot back you just slide that little slider over or change a script?
Seems a bit OP to me unless it had a long reload or could only be done with an array or docked
Octoven
Stellar Production
#19 - 2013-10-17 15:21:41 UTC
Oswald Bolke wrote:
so wait, now you can burn somebody with tank, and when they shoot back you just slide that little slider over or change a script?
Seems a bit OP to me unless it had a long reload or could only be done with an array or docked


No...tie it into your engagement timer OR bastion timer so you have to wait 1-5 minutes before changing over.
Maximus Aerelius
PROPHET OF ENIGMA
#20 - 2013-10-17 15:36:48 UTC
Octoven wrote:
Oswald Bolke wrote:
so wait, now you can burn somebody with tank, and when they shoot back you just slide that little slider over or change a script?
Seems a bit OP to me unless it had a long reload or could only be done with an array or docked


No...tie it into your engagement timer OR bastion timer so you have to wait 1-5 minutes before changing over.


I could see it being worked into the Bastion Timer.

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