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YES YOU CAN HAVE MY STUFF / DNSBLACK LOOKING FOR GTC SELLER

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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#41 - 2013-10-16 23:36:14 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
Achmed Abdullah Ayarash wrote:
The main flaw with your reasoning is that you assume that you know how thoroughly (or not) the site that you are (without mentioning by name) comparing your scheme with has been and are being audited by CCP and you also assume that what has been deemed OK in one specific case under circumstances we are not 100% aware of, will automatically be deemed OK in any other case where the circumstances are somewhat similar at least on the surface.

I'm not saying you're outright wrong, but you are definately not presenting a scenario that is certain to be a 100% match to the (unknown to most) chriteria that said site has met in order to get CCP approval for their methods of financing their website.



Well guess what there has never been any critira like that posted or published. All I have to go off of is past practice.

Is DNSBlack Trusted ---- CCP answer YES

Is DNSBlack good to follow thru with his commitment to give the winner his Character ------ CCP answer we are no sure but we trust him. So lets let him do it and see if he follows thru

Will we make money off of GTC sales ----- CCP answer hell yes so who give a phuuuck if we look the other way on the eula for DNSBlack he has done a lot for the community. he got rid of alex for us didn't he????!!!!!!
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#42 - 2013-10-16 23:41:14 UTC
Achmed Abdullah Ayarash wrote:
The main flaw with your reasoning is that you assume that you know how thoroughly (or not) the site that you are (without mentioning by name) comparing your scheme with has been and are being audited by CCP and you also assume that what has been deemed OK in one specific case under circumstances we are not 100% aware of, will automatically be deemed OK in any other case where the circumstances are somewhat similar at least on the surface.

I'm not saying you're outright wrong, but you are definately not presenting a scenario that is certain to be a 100% match to the (unknown to most) chriteria that said site has met in order to get CCP approval for their methods of financing their website.


The circumstances that we are aware of are:

1. I can spend money at a specific site and indirectly receive in-game currency in return from a second site.
2. There is no single party directly receiving the money AND giving out the ISK.

Any business that uses the same setup would also have to be legal, plain and simple. But like I said, I highly encourage people to take advantage of this loophole to see how much it takes for CCP to step in and admit they ****** up with SOMER.

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Sar Carstic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#43 - 2013-10-16 23:44:33 UTC
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
[quote=DNSBLACK]1.

Simpler way biomass - you wont' be missed


You speak for yourself, I am missing him already.

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Adm AnnAlingus
Riverstone Holdings LLC
#44 - 2013-10-17 00:05:16 UTC
When I win him from this lottery, I know what I will be doing to him. Over and over again.
Sar Carstic
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#45 - 2013-10-17 00:09:34 UTC
Adm AnnAlingus wrote:
When I win him from this lottery, I know what I will be doing to him. Over and over again.


I am choosing to believe that you mean raffling.

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Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#46 - 2013-10-17 00:28:00 UTC
Adm AnnAlingus wrote:
When I win him from this lottery, I know what I will be doing to him. Over and over again.

Black pushes back. Ask him.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#47 - 2013-10-17 00:28:04 UTC
Sar Carstic wrote:
Adm AnnAlingus wrote:
When I win him from this lottery, I know what I will be doing to him. Over and over again.


I am choosing to believe that you mean raffling.


lottery, raffle who cares I am trusted by CCP I could call it this

DNSBlack is thinking about commiting eve suicide. CCP thru there words and actions on this site are cyber bulling me into killing off my character. Please go and by a GTC from the GOON store they have negotiated the best price with me and you will be given a save Black isk credit and entered into the raffle to save my character from Biomass suicide. I want to support the goons cause The Mittani has done such a great job in supporting anti bully programs since his drunken miss step.

Are we having fun yet.
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#48 - 2013-10-17 00:28:54 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
Sar Carstic wrote:
Adm AnnAlingus wrote:
When I win him from this lottery, I know what I will be doing to him. Over and over again.


I am choosing to believe that you mean raffling.


lottery, raffle who cares I am trusted by CCP I could call it this

DNSBlack is thinking about commiting eve suicide. CCP thru there words and actions on this site are cyber bulling me into killing off my character. Please go and by a GTC from the GOON store they have negotiated the best price with me and you will be given a save Black isk credit and entered into the raffle to save my character from Biomass suicide. I want to support the goons cause The Mittani has done such a great job in supporting anti bully programs since his drunken miss step.

Are we having fun yet.

i love it Twisted
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#49 - 2013-10-17 00:34:19 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:


5. This practice has been ok'd and does not break the EULA according to CCP.

I am doing this to re-capture some of my money I have spent on EVE over the last 7 years and look for another game to play. This is not a joke and CCP has left me no choice. I suggest that everyone of you look to sell your stuff in this manner before CCP cracks down.

So if you are a third party seller of GTC please send me a eve mail with your percentage offer let the bidding begin.


Really? I would think this would violate Section 6B of the EULA...
EULA wrote:

B. Selling Items and Objects

You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions, newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.

...as well as item 10 of the Terms of Service
Terms of Service wrote:

10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.


I think the "any other means" in the EULA covers raffles. The same with "otherwise arrange" in ToS.

I'll be interested to see how this plays out.

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CarlosB
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#50 - 2013-10-17 00:35:07 UTC
Well that is a really good idea i think i'll do the same since it is legal acording to CCP blind eye on SOMMER and friends...

No point for me beeing on a game that the owners don't respect they're own contract.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#51 - 2013-10-17 00:39:13 UTC
Rosewalker wrote:
DNSBLACK wrote:


5. This practice has been ok'd and does not break the EULA according to CCP.

I am doing this to re-capture some of my money I have spent on EVE over the last 7 years and look for another game to play. This is not a joke and CCP has left me no choice. I suggest that everyone of you look to sell your stuff in this manner before CCP cracks down.

So if you are a third party seller of GTC please send me a eve mail with your percentage offer let the bidding begin.


Really? I would think this would violate Section 6B of the EULA...
EULA wrote:

B. Selling Items and Objects

You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions, newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.

...as well as item 10 of the Terms of Service
Terms of Service wrote:

10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.


I think the "any other means" in the EULA covers raffles. The same with "otherwise arrange" in ToS.

I'll be interested to see how this plays out.


that section of the EULA is what is now being called a grey area. Sad this all happening during one of the best player events and just prior to an expansion I was really excited about.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#52 - 2013-10-17 00:40:22 UTC
But don't worry my character has a lot of LP in SOE so who ever wins him will be sitting pretty with the new ships!!!!!!!!
Xen Solarus
Furious Destruction and Salvage
#53 - 2013-10-17 00:42:59 UTC
Whoa did i miss something here. Does this mean its now possible, in a round-about sort of way, to convert your isk into cash?

Since when did this become possible?

Post with your main, like a BOSS!

And no, i don't live in highsec.  As if that would make your opinion any less wrong.  
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#54 - 2013-10-17 00:44:30 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Whoa did i miss something here. Does this mean its now possible, in a round-about sort of way, to convert your isk into cash?

Since when did this become possible?

that what is being tested here. whether it is indeed possible, or not.
Solstice Project
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-10-17 00:52:25 UTC
I have no idea who you are... but i like the idea...
Noriko Mai
#56 - 2013-10-17 00:54:20 UTC
Solstice Project wrote:
I have no idea who you are... but i like the idea...

.

"Meh.." - Albert Einstein
Rosewalker
Khumaak Flying Circus
#57 - 2013-10-17 00:56:19 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
Rosewalker wrote:
DNSBLACK wrote:


5. This practice has been ok'd and does not break the EULA according to CCP.

I am doing this to re-capture some of my money I have spent on EVE over the last 7 years and look for another game to play. This is not a joke and CCP has left me no choice. I suggest that everyone of you look to sell your stuff in this manner before CCP cracks down.

So if you are a third party seller of GTC please send me a eve mail with your percentage offer let the bidding begin.


Really? I would think this would violate Section 6B of the EULA...
EULA wrote:

B. Selling Items and Objects

You may not transfer, sell or auction, or buy or accept any offer to transfer, sell or auction (or offer to do any of the foregoing), any content appearing within the Game environment, including without limitation characters, character attributes, items, currency, and objects, other than via a permitted Character Transfer as described in section 3 above. You may not encourage or induce any other person to participate in such a prohibited transaction. The buying, selling or auctioning (or any attempt at doing so) of characters, character attributes, items, currency, or objects, whether through online auctions, newsgroups, postings on message boards or any other means is prohibited by the EULA and a violation of CCP's proprietary rights in the Game.

...as well as item 10 of the Terms of Service
Terms of Service wrote:

10. You may not market, sell, advertise, promote, solicit or otherwise arrange for the exchange or transfer of items in the game or other game services unless it is for in-game sales of in-game services or items.


I think the "any other means" in the EULA covers raffles. The same with "otherwise arrange" in ToS.

I'll be interested to see how this plays out.


that section of the EULA is what is now being called a grey area. Sad this all happening during one of the best player events and just prior to an expansion I was really excited about.


Just want to clarify. Is this because of the prizes given to SOMER to raffle off for EVE Vegas or are you charging that players are using lotteries to convert in-game items to real world money like the scheme you described in the OP?

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TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#58 - 2013-10-17 00:56:46 UTC
Xen Solarus wrote:
Whoa did i miss something here. Does this mean its now possible, in a round-about sort of way, to convert your isk into cash?

Since when did this become possible?


If they get maybe 5 to 10% of every GTC sold through Markee they would earn a minimum of 50 bucks a month if only one GTC is sold per day. Since that's probably not the case, I'd guesstimate they make at least 200 bucks a month. Cold hard dollars. Minus website costs, maybe 100 bucks?

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DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#59 - 2013-10-17 01:15:09 UTC
quote=Kirren D'marr]
Anya Klibor wrote:
I'll admit to being ignorant of the other issues in that I don't know the specifics, but I know of them. The only one I am aware of and know the details of is the members of Blink receiving Ishukone Watch Scorpions, so if you wouldn't mind linking me to the other issues at hand for me to look through, that'd be terrific!


This stuff has been all over the forums of late, but here's a few threads to get you started:

CCP reintroducing the Gold Magate and adding in new Guardian-Vexors through Somer Blink

A review of player giveaways with CCP and third party sites

CSM Statement on the SOMER Promotion (with reply from CCP Pokethulu)

SomerGate - Questions.

Ishukone Ships and Surrounding issues... Coming SOON (TM)

And a few articles from player-run sties:

SOMERblink: Serving the Eve Community, Not a Community Service

SOMER of rage

Rare Item Lottery Sparks Controversy

CCP Changes Somer Blink Giveaway

CCP Secretly Gifted SOMER Blink Ishukone Scorpions


There's a lot of material to get through; most of the relevant stuff isn't in the first posts, but in conversations that develop in the responses. The thread we are currently in, being one of the latest, probably has the most comprehensive information, but it is still a lot to dig through. Basically though, there are multiple allegations of actions of favoritism of CCP towards SOMER Blink, compounded with the RMT-like nature of SOMER's operation, CCP's choice of a for-profit organization over true community services as a target for giveaways, CCP upsetting the balance of the sandbox by giving SOMER Blink a clear advantage over their competitors, possible connections between CCP employees and SOMER (devs who may have been former members of SOMER Blink before being hired, etc.), and the list goes on.

The bottom line is that there is certainly the appearance of a lot of impropriety going on between CCP and SOMER Blink. How much of it is substantiated has yet to be fully discovered, but there is enough evidence to warrant concern, and we may all still be surprised at exactly how far this goes.[/quote]

Rosewalker here is a up date
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#60 - 2013-10-17 01:18:30 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
After further review of the thread, I am unlocking this thread, but I ask that any issue you raise is presented in the proper fashion. I apologize for any incorrect judgments made on my part. Thank you.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department