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YES YOU CAN HAVE MY STUFF / DNSBLACK LOOKING FOR GTC SELLER

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#21 - 2013-10-16 22:13:20 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
Unless those have changed and CCP is not enforcing their own EULA

heh

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DarkDecay
Real money traders
#22 - 2013-10-16 22:13:25 UTC
ngaly wrote:
I’m really hoping more people will do what you are doing. If enough people do it CCP will be forced to acknowledge that they actually tolerated RMT for more than a year already. Eventually they will have to start preventing lottery websites from using this “trick”.


I will be doing it too if CCP ever tell me how to get it started.

Real world laws will mean it wont be a scam...
DNSBlacks Arazu
Dirt Nap Squad
#23 - 2013-10-16 22:20:21 UTC
If you raffle off your character, what do I do with this awesome alt I created in your honor?
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#24 - 2013-10-16 22:24:16 UTC
DNSBlacks Arazu wrote:
If you raffle off your character, what do I do with this awesome alt I created in your honor?


Raffle it?

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DNSBlacks Arazu
Dirt Nap Squad
#25 - 2013-10-16 22:26:58 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
DNSBlacks Arazu wrote:
If you raffle off your character, what do I do with this awesome alt I created in your honor?


Raffle it?



Great idea! I think I will.
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-10-16 22:45:25 UTC
ngaly wrote:
I’m really hoping more people will do what you are doing. If enough people do it CCP will be forced to acknowledge that they actually tolerated RMT for more than a year already. Eventually they will have to start preventing lottery websites from using this “trick”.

The thing is CCP gets a direct cut from this type of RMT, and so it's "ok."

For those that don't understand, here's the actual transaction:

(A) Vendor acquires GTC's in bulk from CCP at a reduced rate --> CCP gets $$
(B) Players Purchase 1000 GTC's from Vendor at a markup --> Vendor gets $$
(C) Individual offers character for raffle from vendor --> Individual gets a cut of Vendor's $$
(D) Players acquire GTC's
(E) Players also get a chance to win individual's character.

(A) --> (B) --> (D) is the standard GTC retail process, and has been available for over a decade (I think).

Item (C) is where the RMT happens when 'Individual' gets paid by vendor in $$ for in game assets (the definition of RMT).
Item (E) is the incentive for Item (C) to work.


TBH I could see this working for players wanting to make real $$ off high value items such as supers, titans, and various unique ships.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#27 - 2013-10-16 22:51:52 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
PotatoOverdose wrote:
ngaly wrote:
I’m really hoping more people will do what you are doing. If enough people do it CCP will be forced to acknowledge that they actually tolerated RMT for more than a year already. Eventually they will have to start preventing lottery websites from using this “trick”.

The thing is CCP gets a direct cut from this type of RMT, and so it's "ok."

For those that don't understand, here's the actual transaction:

(A) Vendor acquires GTC's in bulk from CCP at a reduced rate --> CCP gets $$
(B) Players Purchase 1000 GTC's from Vendor at a markup --> Vendor gets $$
(C) Individual offers character for raffle from vendor --> Individual gets a cut of Vendor's $$
(D) Players acquire GTC's
(E) Players also get a chance to win individual's character.

(A) --> (B) --> (D) is the standard GTC retail process, and has been available for over a decade (I think).

Item (C) is where the RMT happens when 'Individual' gets paid by vendor in $$ for in game assets (the definition of RMT).
Item (E) is the incentive for Item (C) to work.


TBH I could see this working for players wanting to make real $$ off high value items such as supers, titans, and various unique ships.


Still don't get it do you I guess reading the EULA was just to long of a read. black credits is the issue. But I am no longer mad I am going to sell my character this way and make some money
Dalmont Delantee
Gecko Corp
#28 - 2013-10-16 22:53:53 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
1. I am looking for a 3rd party wholesale GTC seller.

2. I would like to discuss the terms on splitting your profit with me to raffle off some of my in game assets.

3. I will also would like to offer my character to raffle once all my assets are gone. We will follow all CCP rules for transfer once the raffle is over.

4. 1 Black credit for the raffle will be given out for every GTC bought on your site. You can hold the raffle once 1000 GTC have been sold. If players would like to buy a ticket in game it will cost 1 plex and you can have them contract it to you.

5. This practice has been ok'd and does not break the EULA according to CCP.

I am doing this to re-capture some of my money I have spent on EVE over the last 7 years and look for another game to play. This is not a joke and CCP has left me no choice. I suggest that everyone of you look to sell your stuff in this manner before CCP cracks down.

So if you are a third party seller of GTC please send me a eve mail with your percentage offer let the bidding begin.


Simpler way biomass - you wont' be missed
Naiobi
De tre liderlige skinker
#29 - 2013-10-16 22:55:19 UTC
Ive been thinking about this for a long time, but didnt have the balls or effort to put this in motion.

You got my epeen credits for doing this DNS! Its broken and unfair. I hope you will change something with this.
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#30 - 2013-10-16 22:55:45 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
Dalmont Delantee wrote:
DNSBLACK wrote:
1. I am looking for a 3rd party wholesale GTC seller.

2. I would like to discuss the terms on splitting your profit with me to raffle off some of my in game assets.

3. I will also would like to offer my character to raffle once all my assets are gone. We will follow all CCP rules for transfer once the raffle is over.

4. 1 Black credit for the raffle will be given out for every GTC bought on your site. You can hold the raffle once 1000 GTC have been sold. If players would like to buy a ticket in game it will cost 1 plex and you can have them contract it to you.

5. This practice has been ok'd and does not break the EULA according to CCP.

I am doing this to re-capture some of my money I have spent on EVE over the last 7 years and look for another game to play. This is not a joke and CCP has left me no choice. I suggest that everyone of you look to sell your stuff in this manner before CCP cracks down.

So if you are a third party seller of GTC please send me a eve mail with your percentage offer let the bidding begin.


Simpler way biomass - you wont' be missed


Not weather I will be missed, but I will make some money and if this works out well, I have other I will sell
PotatoOverdose
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#31 - 2013-10-16 22:59:07 UTC
It'll be interesting to see whether this will actually work. Could be witnessing the birth of "legit" RMT. What?
DNSBLACK
Dirt Nap Squad
#32 - 2013-10-16 23:00:33 UTC  |  Edited by: DNSBLACK
Holy shut the front door.

I may not even need a third Party.

1. I will buy GTC at full price and resell them with a 2 dollar mark up and a 1 Black credit.

2. After I sell 1000 GTC I will hold my own drawing and since CCP has no over site and I am 100 % creditable this will be fine

3. I am still willing to go the 3rd party GTC seller route but this will also work.
Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#33 - 2013-10-16 23:08:08 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
Hilarity to Ensue

Black points CCP...

Cyno UP!

Bridge, bridge, bridge!
Money Makin Mitch
Paid in Full
#34 - 2013-10-16 23:08:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Money Makin Mitch
Dalmont Delantee wrote:

Simpler way biomass - you wont' be missed

dude, just stop. seriously. step away from the keyboard.
TigerXtrm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2013-10-16 23:09:56 UTC
DNSBLACK wrote:
1. I am looking for a 3rd party wholesale GTC seller.

2. I would like to discuss the terms on splitting your profit with me to raffle off some of my in game assets.

3. I will also would like to offer my character to raffle once all my assets are gone. We will follow all CCP rules for transfer once the raffle is over.

4. 1 Black credit for the raffle will be given out for every GTC bought on your site. You can hold the raffle once 1000 GTC have been sold. If players would like to buy a ticket in game it will cost 1 plex and you can have them contract it to you.

5. This practice has been ok'd and does not break the EULA according to CCP.

I am doing this to re-capture some of my money I have spent on EVE over the last 7 years and look for another game to play. This is not a joke and CCP has left me no choice. I suggest that everyone of you look to sell your stuff in this manner before CCP cracks down.

So if you are a third party seller of GTC please send me a eve mail with your percentage offer let the bidding begin.


Yeah one problem with your 'game'. Markee Dragon, to whom you're obviously referring, isn't a wholesale GTC seller. He's a reseller and he buys his GTC's at a wholesale company (not a lot of which exist as far as I know).

But yeah, should be legal. If SOMER can do it so should everyone else. Will be fun seeing CCP's reaction if more of these things start popping up all over the place :D

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Dinsdale Pirannha
Pirannha Corp
#36 - 2013-10-16 23:16:16 UTC
The other elephant in the room is if CCP has been condoning, or at least looking the other way, this kind of activity for over a year, what other activities that are even more shady have they been ignoring?
Frying Doom
#37 - 2013-10-16 23:19:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
TigerXtrm wrote:
Yeah one problem with your 'game'. Markee Dragon, to whom you're obviously referring, isn't a wholesale GTC seller. He's a reseller and he buys his GTC's at a wholesale company (not a lot of which exist as far as I know).

But yeah, should be legal. If SOMER can do it so should everyone else. Will be fun seeing CCP's reaction if more of these things start popping up all over the place :D

The follow on from that is, does it have to involve GTC and CCP making a profit for it to be legit.

For example can I sell you a pen for say $10.00USD + P&H (Specially engraved pen, it has the words BIC on the side of it) and give you 1.2 billion pen credits to spend on lotteries on a web site.

Now on this website you can of course bid on other pens +p&h or if you choose you can take all of the pen lottery slots in a lottery and spend the 1.2 billion pen credits and convert that to isk-20%. So you receive 1 billion isk and a pen.

Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Cameron Freerunner
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#38 - 2013-10-16 23:20:17 UTC
Dinsdale Pirannha wrote:
The other elephant in the room is if CCP has been condoning, or at least looking the other way, this kind of activity for over a year, what other activities that are even more shady have they been ignoring?

Willful ignorance is the term you're looking for. You can't crack down on something you never find. Or ever look for.
Naiobi
De tre liderlige skinker
#39 - 2013-10-16 23:20:57 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
DNSBLACK wrote:
1. I am looking for a 3rd party wholesale GTC seller.

2. I would like to discuss the terms on splitting your profit with me to raffle off some of my in game assets.

3. I will also would like to offer my character to raffle once all my assets are gone. We will follow all CCP rules for transfer once the raffle is over.

4. 1 Black credit for the raffle will be given out for every GTC bought on your site. You can hold the raffle once 1000 GTC have been sold. If players would like to buy a ticket in game it will cost 1 plex and you can have them contract it to you.

5. This practice has been ok'd and does not break the EULA according to CCP.

I am doing this to re-capture some of my money I have spent on EVE over the last 7 years and look for another game to play. This is not a joke and CCP has left me no choice. I suggest that everyone of you look to sell your stuff in this manner before CCP cracks down.

So if you are a third party seller of GTC please send me a eve mail with your percentage offer let the bidding begin.


Yeah one problem with your 'game'. Markee Dragon, to whom you're obviously referring, isn't a wholesale GTC seller. He's a reseller and he buys his GTC's at a wholesale company (not a lot of which exist as far as I know).

But yeah, should be legal. If SOMER can do it so should everyone else. Will be fun seeing CCP's reaction if more of these things start popping up all over the place :D


If this gets the proper back up from people who actually care, then its not a question of "if" but more a question of WHEN.
Achmed Abdullah Ayarash
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-10-16 23:29:42 UTC
The main flaw with your reasoning is that you assume that you know how thoroughly (or not) the site that you are (without mentioning by name) comparing your scheme with has been and are being audited by CCP and you also assume that what has been deemed OK in one specific case under circumstances we are not 100% aware of, will automatically be deemed OK in any other case where the circumstances are somewhat similar at least on the surface.

I'm not saying you're outright wrong, but you are definately not presenting a scenario that is certain to be a 100% match to the (unknown to most) chriteria that said site has met in order to get CCP approval for their methods of financing their website.