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YES YOU CAN HAVE MY STUFF / DNSBLACK LOOKING FOR GTC SELLER

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Frying Doom
#301 - 2013-10-27 21:46:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
This just gets weirder and weirder.

A Nyx is an in game item but isk apparently is not.

I think CCP have come up with a ruling, that allows gambling, just not for things other than isk. Even though you can buy a GTC off somer and end up with a carrier.

Personally I think they have run this game down so much that it is only staying afloat with gambling money.

It makes sense with their worry over new player retention, Trebors threats that if they make a snap judgement we wont like it, Jesters 'we are shooting our self in the foot' and CCPs hiding their subscriber numbers on their financial reports while increasing development by 4 million over 6 months.

I think this game is up the creek without a paddle. The PCU is only a couple of thousand above what it was just after Incarna, and Incarna cost them about 5000 on the PCU. For that they laid off 20% of their staff.
What is worse is that on the financial statements their defered income is higher than their cash in bank, so they have recieved money for subscriptions not for that period (eg. people paid in advance) and that amount is greater than the amount they have left.

Stupid thing is if they actually told us what was going on and the fact they were up the creek, players would actually help them.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#302 - 2013-10-27 21:54:05 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
This just gets weirder and weirder.

A Nyx is an in game item but isk apparently is not.

I think CCP have come up with a ruling, that allows gambling, just not for things other than isk. Even though you can buy a GTC off somer and end up with a carrier.

Personally I think they have run this game down so much that it is only staying afloat with gambling money.

It makes sense with their worry over new player retention, Trebors threats that if they make a snap judgement we wont like it, Jesters 'we are shooting our self in the foot' and CCPs hiding their subscriber numbers on their financial reports while increasing development by 4 million over 6 months.

I think this game is up the creek without a paddle. The PCU is only a couple of thousand above what it was just after Incarna, and Incarna cost them about 5000 on the PCU. For that they laid off 20% of their staff.

Stupid thing is if they actually told us what was going on and the fact they were up the creek, players would actually help them.

I think they should just institutionalize gambling. Take it off the street and bring it in station. That would be a good reason to open the door... you could buy GTCs in-game to pay for your habit, and anyone could buy a station slot and open their own casino. I realize there's some work involved there, but from a "total cost" perspective given what's going on now, and the fact that CCP would be able to cut out the middle man making it ultimately more profitable for them, it seems like a logical solution to this humble pod. It's a solution whereby everyone wins... pods would probably feel more comfortable actually making a GTC purchase directly from CCP rather than going through a third party (meaning more GTCs sold overall and sans 3rd party commission), the field would be level in that anyone could start up a gambling operation, and more players would probably develop a gambling habit overall, meaning more money for casino operators.

...or they could just keep kicking the can down the road.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Frying Doom
#303 - 2013-10-27 22:22:22 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
This just gets weirder and weirder.

A Nyx is an in game item but isk apparently is not.

I think CCP have come up with a ruling, that allows gambling, just not for things other than isk. Even though you can buy a GTC off somer and end up with a carrier.

Personally I think they have run this game down so much that it is only staying afloat with gambling money.

It makes sense with their worry over new player retention, Trebors threats that if they make a snap judgement we wont like it, Jesters 'we are shooting our self in the foot' and CCPs hiding their subscriber numbers on their financial reports while increasing development by 4 million over 6 months.

I think this game is up the creek without a paddle. The PCU is only a couple of thousand above what it was just after Incarna, and Incarna cost them about 5000 on the PCU. For that they laid off 20% of their staff.

Stupid thing is if they actually told us what was going on and the fact they were up the creek, players would actually help them.

I think they should just institutionalize gambling. Take it off the street and bring it in station. That would be a good reason to open the door... you could buy GTCs in-game to pay for your habit, and anyone could buy a station slot and open their own casino. I realize there's some work involved there, but from a "total cost" perspective given what's going on now, and the fact that CCP would be able to cut out the middle man making it ultimately more profitable for them, it seems like a logical solution to this humble pod. It's a solution whereby everyone wins... pods would probably feel more comfortable actually making a GTC purchase directly from CCP rather than going through a third party (meaning more GTCs sold overall and sans 3rd party commission), the field would be level in that anyone could start up a gambling operation, and more players would probably develop a gambling habit overall, meaning more money for casino operators.

...or they could just keep kicking the can down the road.

The biggest problem with that is atm they are skating on some very thin ice but can claim that they do not operate the gambling site.

If they did it them selves they are way over the legal line.

To be honest given the different laws in different countries I am surprised no one has been indited already.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#304 - 2013-10-27 22:24:36 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:

The biggest problem with that is atm they are skating on some very thin ice but can claim that they do not operate the gambling site.

If they did it them selves they are way over the legal line.

To be honest given the different laws in different countries I am surprised no one has been indited already.

If there is no way to commodify in-game items then no, it's not gambling because nothing in game exists legally.

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Frying Doom
#305 - 2013-10-27 23:08:52 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

The biggest problem with that is atm they are skating on some very thin ice but can claim that they do not operate the gambling site.

If they did it them selves they are way over the legal line.

To be honest given the different laws in different countries I am surprised no one has been indited already.

If there is no way to commodify in-game items then no, it's not gambling because nothing in game exists legally.

the word legally means different things in different countries and states.

The best example of this is http://thepiratebay.sx/legal

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
Gogela
Epic Ganking Time
CODE.
#306 - 2013-10-27 23:20:07 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

The biggest problem with that is atm they are skating on some very thin ice but can claim that they do not operate the gambling site.

If they did it them selves they are way over the legal line.

To be honest given the different laws in different countries I am surprised no one has been indited already.

If there is no way to commodify in-game items then no, it's not gambling because nothing in game exists legally.

the word legally means different things in different countries and states.

The best example of this is http://thepiratebay.sx/legal

I don't think that shows virtual items as "existing" in legal terms, anywhere.

It is however a link filled with humorous legal exchanges... very entertaining. Lol

Signatures should be used responsibly...
Frying Doom
#307 - 2013-10-27 23:45:04 UTC
Gogela wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:
Gogela wrote:
Frying Doom wrote:

The biggest problem with that is atm they are skating on some very thin ice but can claim that they do not operate the gambling site.

If they did it them selves they are way over the legal line.

To be honest given the different laws in different countries I am surprised no one has been indited already.

If there is no way to commodify in-game items then no, it's not gambling because nothing in game exists legally.

the word legally means different things in different countries and states.

The best example of this is http://thepiratebay.sx/legal

I don't think that shows virtual items as "existing" in legal terms, anywhere.

It is however a link filled with humorous legal exchanges... very entertaining. Lol

What I was showing is that the laws and interpretations of the laws vary from place to place.

Because if you think about it starting a game and having gambling, which does not involve 'real money' as an output is an excellent way to launder drug funds or other illegal funds.

Few million in start up cash and then you hide behind the its not real money excuse and if you own the third party vendor as well in a different country under a different name all the better.

But yes those legal exchanges are as funny as hell, I especially like the ones where he threatens legal action for harassment as he is not doing anything illegal in his country. Lol

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
CCP Eterne
C C P
C C P Alliance
#308 - 2013-10-30 12:59:37 UTC
I am locking this as trading any in-game goods in exchange for ISK, even through ETC reselling or the like.

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