In-Game Events and Gatherings

Does this at least mean we won't be seeing the same damn alliance panel presentation for a fourth year running?

Durka.

So what's happening with this?


done?

I love what people are doing.



I do love what people are doing and totally understand what they're getting at but if CCP want to stop it they can.

So what's happening?

Is there any official word yet?

Hang on... Your idea of making it "fair", is to rig the results?

Yeah. Great logic.

This.

Contracts (and by extension, companies) CANNOT re-write law. End of.

If you sign a contract that allows me to end your life, but you're also living in a country where euthanasia is illegal, that contract would be meaningless.

If contracts were the be all and end all, you'd effectively have to start dealing with legalised murder, as well as a whole lot of other nasty things.


If the servers shutdown, and you had a substantial amount of subscription time, then CCP could be liable for a civil suit. This would be especially true if you made a considerable investment shortly before the servers went down, as it could be viewed as a scam. But again, that would be down to a court to decide, being a civil case.

Yep.

I don't think I'll be renewing any of my subs next month. Love EVE, but I don't want to support a company that is:

1. So unresponsive to customer concerns with any official statements as to what is and isn't allowed. I don't think that anyone has any delusions that what's going on here is 100% RMT. A well known company is making private, real world profit, and in return handing out ISK as an incentive to use their services over their competitors. CCP have yet to address this for nearly a week. That's simply unacceptable.


2. Shows blatant favoritism to third party businesses, who are clearly in violation of the EULA and terms of service, but instead are rewarded for these violations. Anyone who attempts to follow the same business model is immediately threatened, whilst again, no official word is given in regards to how the original (and continual) perpetrators are going to be punished (yeah, right).


3. Above all else, seems to have such intense greed for the profits from GTCs it procures through SOMER's business that it is willing to infuriate, alienate and threaten a large portion of its playerbase.

That's before you get into the under-the-table deals that go on privately between the exclusive members of this boys club syndicate (3,000,000,000,000 ISK worth of ships anyone?).


Everyday I read something more and more that puts me off supporting these guys (CCP). I wasn't bothered when I heard about the ships being handed out, as I know that SOMER does do a fair amount of good (sponsoring events, etc). I thought they deserved it. But, to make private, financial, real world gains, that clearly infringe on CCP's own policies, and have CCP ENDORSE them? Not only endorse SOMER, but then have people who are offering something which is exactly the same, be threatened?

No. That's just plain wrong. That's double standards on steroids.

They did. Their threads are locked in this forum.

You're confusing rights and laws here.

In a NDA, you have the right to free speech. That is your right to waive, should you see fit.

When a company sells you something, that company does so within the confines of the law. A citizen doesn't have the ability to change that law because they want to. You are unable to waive it.

The example I gave may be extreme, but it is the case for any act of criminality that breaches the law of the constituency in question.

I could have just as easily used an example of writing a contract that allows you to steal an apple from me.

I can choose not to press charges, but you'd be unable to hold up a piece of paper in a courtroom which meant I'd be unable to press charges.

I'll state again. Citizens (and by extension, companies) cannot change the law. You can waive rights, including your right to press charges (provided the matter involved yourself, and only youself), but if a felony is committed, you can absolutely go the whole nine-yards with it in a courtroom, regardless of what a piece of paper says.


Also, I did two years of an LLB at King's College London, before I had to stop for health concerns.

Additionally, there are pieces of legislation in many countries that are there to prevent outrageous exclusion clauses (which again, can only waive rights).

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfair_Contract_Terms_Act_1977
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unfair_Terms_in_Consumer_Contracts_Regulations_1999

Are two that affect British consumers (of which I am one).


And just to clarify, no one here has entered into a business contract. We've signed up to a consumer licensing agreement. Very different things.

Where does he say that he is quitting? If this works I will cash out my highest SP characters too because they just get boring over time.

A 3th party site should make isk as an reward and not money.