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YES YOU CAN HAVE MY STUFF / DNSBLACK LOOKING FOR GTC SELLER

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Weaselior
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#241 - 2013-10-19 06:14:07 UTC
give it three years and there's a 50% chance he will stumble on this thread

Head of the Goonswarm Economic Warfare Cabal Pubbie Management and Exploitation Division.
Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#242 - 2013-10-19 10:22:00 UTC
And why should he reply? Free advertisement for his site Twisted

I still think that the gamers here are overreacting to the 200million bonus for GTC. You could of course say it is a grey area because the 200mill SomerCredits are a "cheap" advertisement which can't be easily reproduced by another alliance forums or Battleclinic (you not only get SomerCredit but also Tokens which can be used in free promos and where you could gain several billions ISK) and that they can converted to 80% ISK. If you and your connection is fast enough Cool

Mmmh. Would it be RMT if the GFC decides that in their forums you can only post pictures/have a signature/smilys if you buy a GTC from their affiliate link? Twisted
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#243 - 2013-10-19 10:24:32 UTC
the REAL question is: can Markee Dragon be banned for RMT if he buys GTCs from himself

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Dani Lizardov
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#244 - 2013-10-19 10:27:17 UTC
Moira Ayindi wrote:
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Mmmh. Would it be RMT if the GFC decides that in their forums you can only post pictures/have a signature/smilys if you buy a GTC from their affiliate link? Twisted


NO! Because they will not sell isk or items

Quote:
you not only get SomerCredit but also Tokens which can be used in free promos and where you could gain several billions ISK


Exactly what DNS Black did. He gave tickets for a raffle to those who both GTC from him.
Rain6638
GoonWaffe
Goonswarm Federation
#245 - 2013-10-19 10:29:04 UTC
I'm sorry. every time someone says 'promos' I read it as something else

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E6o5
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#246 - 2013-10-19 10:41:19 UTC
interesting stuff
Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#247 - 2013-10-19 10:48:13 UTC
Dani Lizardov wrote:
Moira Ayindi wrote:
....

Mmmh. Would it be RMT if the GFC decides that in their forums you can only post pictures/have a signature/smilys if you buy a GTC from their affiliate link? Twisted


NO! Because they will not sell isk or items

But they alliance only exists because of Eve. Somer doesn't give ISK or tiems.

Quote:
you not only get SomerCredit but also Tokens which can be used in free promos and where you could gain several billions ISK


Exactly what DNS Black did. He gave tickets for a raffle to those who both GTC from him.


That is not true. DNS Black raffle a) wasn't fair and b) sold the GTC directly and overpriced ;-)
Dani Lizardov
Immortalis Inc.
Shadow Cartel
#248 - 2013-10-19 10:56:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Dani Lizardov
Moira Ayindi wrote:
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That is not true. DNS Black raffle a) wasn't fair and b) sold the GTC directly and overpriced ;-)




Wasn't fair ? Can you prove that ? Can you prove that sommer is fair ?

Overpriced :) well tell that to the guy who both it.
Overpricing broke the EULA... Really?
Frying Doom
#249 - 2013-10-19 11:43:56 UTC
Moira Ayindi wrote:
And why should he reply? Free advertisement for his site Twisted

I still think that the gamers here are overreacting to the 200million bonus for GTC. You could of course say it is a grey area because the 200mill SomerCredits are a "cheap" advertisement which can't be easily reproduced by another alliance forums or Battleclinic (you not only get SomerCredit but also Tokens which can be used in free promos and where you could gain several billions ISK) and that they can converted to 80% ISK. If you and your connection is fast enough Cool

Mmmh. Would it be RMT if the GFC decides that in their forums you can only post pictures/have a signature/smilys if you buy a GTC from their affiliate link? Twisted

the 200 mil bonus Somer Credits are RMT. No ifs buts or maybes and no matter what the laundering process.

As to posting on the forums and having to buy a GTC, no that is not RMT, as you are not converting Cash to isk, or isk to Cash

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
pmota
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#250 - 2013-10-19 13:36:33 UTC
I would like to state that if Somer can do this, then everyone can do this.
Thank you DNSBlack for pointing that out, I personaly applaud you.

Unless CCP decides otherwise regarding Somer Blink, I see no reason why everyone wouldn't start a Somer Blink clone and in some way getting some $ out of Eve. Not saying it's right or wrong: just making it crystal clear that RULES ARE FOR ALL.

As someone who never used a macro, bot, RMT, or exploit (yes, I'm that dumb), please count me as +1 asking CCP to make a CRYSTAL CLEAR STATEMENT on this. I'm 100% that's want DNS wants too. RULES APPLIED TO EVERYONE, not some smart 4ss making money of out isk.
Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#251 - 2013-10-19 14:57:49 UTC
pmota wrote:

please count me as +1 asking CCP to make a CRYSTAL CLEAR STATEMENT on this. I'm 100% that's want DNS wants too. RULES APPLIED TO EVERYONE, not some smart 4ss making money of out isk.



True.

We should start betting on the outcome Pirate
Xander Phoena
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#252 - 2013-10-19 15:16:31 UTC
Moira Ayindi wrote:
Dani Lizardov wrote:
Moira Ayindi wrote:
....

Mmmh. Would it be RMT if the GFC decides that in their forums you can only post pictures/have a signature/smilys if you buy a GTC from their affiliate link? Twisted


NO! Because they will not sell isk or items

But they alliance only exists because of Eve. Somer doesn't give ISK or tiems.

Quote:
you not only get SomerCredit but also Tokens which can be used in free promos and where you could gain several billions ISK


Exactly what DNS Black did. He gave tickets for a raffle to those who both GTC from him.


That is not true. DNS Black raffle a) wasn't fair and b) sold the GTC directly and overpriced ;-)



Please explain why a) it wasn't fair. One person 'bought' 2500 tickets and as such had a 2500/2501 chance of winning. The other person bought one ticket and had a 1/2501 chance if winning. If you buy more tickets to a raffle or lottery, you have more chance of winning. Please clarify why it wasn't fair - would love to hear it.

After that, please explain b) where it states anywhere - EULA, TOS or otherwise - what you must charge for a GTC? Presumably you can charge what you like and being an open market, people will buy GTCs from whoever is selling as close to cost. A self-regulating market with no need to dictate what people charge.

So yeah, basically you are totally wrong on both counts.

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Shai 'Hulud
#253 - 2013-10-19 16:00:09 UTC
pmota wrote:
I would like to state that if Somer can do this, then everyone can do this.
Thank you DNSBlack for pointing that out, I personaly applaud you.

Unless CCP decides otherwise regarding Somer Blink, I see no reason why everyone wouldn't start a Somer Blink clone and in some way getting some $ out of Eve. Not saying it's right or wrong: just making it crystal clear that RULES ARE FOR ALL.

As someone who never used a macro, bot, RMT, or exploit (yes, I'm that dumb), please count me as +1 asking CCP to make a CRYSTAL CLEAR STATEMENT on this. I'm 100% that's want DNS wants too. RULES APPLIED TO EVERYONE, not some smart 4ss making money of out isk.


I would agree with fair application of the rules, but that is not the case here:
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=287581&find=unread

The most useful slaves are those that believe themselves to be free
Shai 'Hulud
#254 - 2013-10-19 16:10:59 UTC
Another example of CCP favoritism towards SOMER.

So let's recap:
- SOMER was gifted a total of around 5 trillion ISK worth of in-game items.
- SOMER is being allowed to continue RMT that I and others have been told we cannot do.
- SOMER's legitimacy as a fair business operation has been personally guaranteed by CCP.

It is becoming clear that a different set of rules apply to SOMER than those that are applied to the rest of us.

Do we even need to wonder why CCP chose to give SOMER so much free stuff and proclaim them to be the greatest thing in EVE? Here's the data I want to see: affiliate sales numbers for the last year. I suspect CCP has very good reason to like SOMER so much.

Only SOMER is allowed to inhabit the gray area.

The most useful slaves are those that believe themselves to be free
Moira Ayindi
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#255 - 2013-10-19 16:30:14 UTC
Shai 'Hulud wrote:
Another example of CCP favoritism towards SOMER.

So let's recap:
- SOMER was gifted a total of around 5 trillion ISK worth of in-game items.
- SOMER is being allowed to continue RMT that I and others have been told we cannot do.
- SOMER's legitimacy as a fair business operation has been personally guaranteed by CCP.

It is becoming clear that a different set of rules apply to SOMER than those that are applied to the rest of us.

Do we even need to wonder why CCP chose to give SOMER so much free stuff and proclaim them to be the greatest thing in EVE? Here's the data I want to see: affiliate sales numbers for the last year. I suspect CCP has very good reason to like SOMER so much.

Only SOMER is allowed to inhabit the gray area.


And why not? Effort should be rewarded. Somer is the 1% Twisted
Shai 'Hulud
#256 - 2013-10-19 16:46:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Shai 'Hulud
Moira Ayindi wrote:
Shai 'Hulud wrote:
Another example of CCP favoritism towards SOMER.

So let's recap:
- SOMER was gifted a total of around 5 trillion ISK worth of in-game items.
- SOMER is being allowed to continue RMT that I and others have been told we cannot do.
- SOMER's legitimacy as a fair business operation has been personally guaranteed by CCP.

It is becoming clear that a different set of rules apply to SOMER than those that are applied to the rest of us.

Do we even need to wonder why CCP chose to give SOMER so much free stuff and proclaim them to be the greatest thing in EVE? Here's the data I want to see: affiliate sales numbers for the last year. I suspect CCP has very good reason to like SOMER so much.

Only SOMER is allowed to inhabit the gray area.


And why not? Effort should be rewarded. Somer is the 1% Twisted

If they manage to inhabit unique game areas through game mechanics, I agree with you. We are not talking about fair use of game mechanics here though. We are talking about clear favoritism from CCP toward an in-game entity. It's a LOT easier to profit off a lottery when you get to play by a different set of rules than everyone else.

The most useful slaves are those that believe themselves to be free
Frying Doom
#257 - 2013-10-19 21:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Frying Doom
Moira Ayindi wrote:
Shai 'Hulud wrote:
Another example of CCP favoritism towards SOMER.

So let's recap:
- SOMER was gifted a total of around 5 trillion ISK worth of in-game items.
- SOMER is being allowed to continue RMT that I and others have been told we cannot do.
- SOMER's legitimacy as a fair business operation has been personally guaranteed by CCP.

It is becoming clear that a different set of rules apply to SOMER than those that are applied to the rest of us.

Do we even need to wonder why CCP chose to give SOMER so much free stuff and proclaim them to be the greatest thing in EVE? Here's the data I want to see: affiliate sales numbers for the last year. I suspect CCP has very good reason to like SOMER so much.

Only SOMER is allowed to inhabit the gray area.


And why not? Effort should be rewarded. Somer is the 1% Twisted

So for profit businesses that CCP choose should be allowed to break the rules but no one else is allowed too or do you believe that any one who makes an effort sgould be allowed to RMT?

If CCP wants to say clearly that Somer is allowed to RMT because it made an effort, I am sure the players would rightfully laugh in their face and unsub.

Any spelling, grammatical and punctuation errors are because frankly, I don't care!!
DarkDecay
Real money traders
#258 - 2013-10-19 21:44:42 UTC
Frying Doom wrote:
Moira Ayindi wrote:
Shai 'Hulud wrote:
Another example of CCP favoritism towards SOMER.

So let's recap:
- SOMER was gifted a total of around 5 trillion ISK worth of in-game items.
- SOMER is being allowed to continue RMT that I and others have been told we cannot do.
- SOMER's legitimacy as a fair business operation has been personally guaranteed by CCP.

It is becoming clear that a different set of rules apply to SOMER than those that are applied to the rest of us.

Do we even need to wonder why CCP chose to give SOMER so much free stuff and proclaim them to be the greatest thing in EVE? Here's the data I want to see: affiliate sales numbers for the last year. I suspect CCP has very good reason to like SOMER so much.

Only SOMER is allowed to inhabit the gray area.


And why not? Effort should be rewarded. Somer is the 1% Twisted

So for profit businesses that CCP choose should be allowed to break the rules but no one else is allowed too or do you believe that any one who makes an effort sgould be allowed to RMT?

If CCP wants to say clearly that Somer is allowed to RMT because it made an effort, I am sure the players would rightfully laugh in their face and unsub.


It seems it is more along the lines of it is ok for somer plus their other rmt partner to turn one billion ISK into $15 to $24 as long as CCP makes eleven times as much form it.
Plug in Baby
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#259 - 2013-10-20 22:30:51 UTC
Xander Phoena wrote:
]Please explain why a) it wasn't fair. One person 'bought' 2500 tickets and as such had a 2500/2501 chance of winning. The other person bought one ticket and had a 1/2501 chance if winning. If you buy more tickets to a raffle or lottery, you have more chance of winning. Please clarify why it wasn't fair - would love to hear it.


Why bother doing 2500/2501? Just do 1/2 and always make #1 win, CCP have no way to prove it wasn't random in the same way they don't with Sommer. Always buy ticket #2 with an alt. Customer gets all the ISK they paid for no risk.

Don't bother with true random selection when there is no need to.

This is not a forum alt, this is a forum main.
Jordanna Bauer
Taylor Swift Fanclub
#260 - 2013-10-20 23:08:25 UTC
I find this loophole to be both entertaining and necessary. I agree that Blink needs to be brought into line with the rest of us in terms of the rules.