EVE General Discussion

So, I was doing some history reading about the EvE expansions, and came across something really interesting. Being a post-apocrypha EvE player (Apoc was the splash screen when I first installed Eve Online) I was not privy to all the drama and conflict surrounding earlier expansions.

What I found fascinating was reading that Noah Ward, former lead developer of Eve Online (position now held by CCP Soundwave) was an opponent of implementing Faction Warfare from the very beginning.

This completely changes my perspective the historical relationship between the FW community and the Eve developers. Now it all makes much more sense.

I’ve only seen the recent developments:
*the ignoring of forum threads regarding FW

*CCP fails to show up at FW roundtable at Fanfest

*CCP Manifest’s failed promise at answering the questions in the “answer everything” thread

*Soundwave’s promise to respond after the Russia trip

*Threadnought about CCP failing to address FW community

*Moving of said threadnought to new forums, lack of CCP response other than more “we’ll get back to you”’s

*CSM identifying and listing FW under “abandoned features”

*FW bizarrely ending up on Winter expansion list

*Hilmar referencing FW as being on list of Winter fixes

*New player threadnought regarding feedback on how to improve FW system

*Random and highly controversial suggestion by CCP Soundwave, followed by several one-liners, than silence again

* CCP Spitfire says he’ll ask development team to respond, followed by all-too-predictable lack of response.

If Faction Warfare was opposed internally from the beginning, that it makes a lot of sense that it was pure fan-service, and very low on CCP ‘s long term agenda. I can understand now why everyone has said all along “CCP doesn’t care about FW” or “FW is a development hot potato, no one wants to touch it”

So now that I know the history, I need to ask again –

Developers, am I wasting my time giving you feedback on how to improve the system? Are you actually spending ANY time at all looking into this right now? You don’t have to give us details if its rough, but is this actually being given any development hours? Do you have any intention of seriously iterating on this feature for Winter Expansion?

To be honest, I didn’t understand the internal history about this topic. I’m just too new a player. I have shrugged off the naysayers and doubters for a year now, trying to be a voice for the Faction Warfare community in the forums and share feedback ideas. But I’m not going to waste more time if CCP would just come out and tell us what is really on their minds.

I didn’t have serious doubts about CCP’s intentions regarding FW. But I certainly do now.

Can a developer finally step forth and give us the full truth? Where does FW stand? Are you working on anything?
I know plenty of players have opinions, and will say “ I told you so”. I’m not interested in hearing from other players. I want the developers to come clean with me, and let me know whether to continue working on this or to just give it a rest. This is just about common courtesy and respect for me and my time.

Sing it with me....Prom night dumpster baby....

Its a mute point since Noah(aka CCP Hammerhead) was part of the 20%. I think Noah had more of a issue with it not being fully developed and not thought through all the way. Thats why I think he was against it.

I'm basing my reaction off of the history of CCP's actions regarding the topic, regardless of what they've said. If some were opposed to the way it was implemented, you'd think there would be all the more motivation to correct the problem in the many many expansions that have been released since then.

Its not even about the complete and total lack of consideration given not only to the feature, but about the complete lack of consideration for the players' time that has been put in trying to communicate with CCP. The history of failed commitments to share their intentions for the feature points squarely towards "opposed from the beginning", not "this needs work, this form just wont do."

Again, lack of CCP communication regarding FW is old news, I just feel like an idiot for having stuck up for CCP for so long, trying to say "lets give them a chance" than I read about this and everything they've said to just rings hollow for me now.



You pretty much nailed it. This is how I felt today reading about FW's origin story.

I'm willing to stand corrected, and hoping that CCP can prove those I've historically argued against wrong come Winter Expansion.

But please, developers, if you don't seriously have FW fixes that you are working on, show us some courtesy and just tell us right now. The community deserves that at least.

This.

So to the question are you wasting your time ...

Are you having fun when you DO IT? if yes then NO, keep at it. If you aren't having fun thinking of it, don't think about it.

Sadly you'll need your cerebral pleasures from elsewhere.

I would say most of the time I enjoy writing my ideas about the game, and listening to other's ideas as well. In particular, the thread where most of the activity is currently has even further broadened my understanding of a community I thought I knew all about. Some of the issues I previously felt strong about, like supercap removal from lowsec, have changed for me since hearing alternative perspectives, and I'm more optimistic now than I use to be about that situation. Respectful debate betters everyone involved.

That being said, would I engage in a feedback discussion day after day if I knew that feedback wasn't going to be utilized? Of course not.

There is a big difference between saying "Send us your thoughts, because if we ever get around to FW at all than we might use them"
and saying "We are actually building on this feature right now! Your feedback helps us get the feature done on time and in a form that strengthens the game and makes it more fun. "

We deserve to know which of the two they are saying.

A real fix to action warfare, and not some half assed number moving would be one of the few things that could get me to buy a year long subscription again.

Your wasting your time.

Sounds like birds to me.