Player Features and Ideas Discussion

Yes. As does ganking them, so, again, this is balanced. You need only a fraction of the people involved in ganking to protect your freighter. Why do you expect to come out ahead in a solo fight against 10 enemies?



Then it seems to me that the reward is awfully low and you probably shouldn't accept contracts that pay so little. It's like complaining about mineral prices being too low, but still going out in a ship to mine - if you are willing to go mine for very little reward, then the prices aren't too low at all. The freighter pilots have it in their hand - stop accepting contracts that don't include enough pay for an escort.

And of course, the question remains, if ganking freighters is so easy, why do only so few of them die each day?

Actually there are a lot of differences. In High-Sec you don't need a cap-stable logistics ship for example. It just needs 25 seconds of capacitor to help in case of a fight. Nobody is forcing any play-style on anybody else, you are free to do as you please - if you accept the consequences from your actions. I can accept that you want suicide ganks made even harder than they are, but I fail to see a logical reason for that - If they were easy, a lot more freighters would die every day to suicide ganks.



If I travel unscouted in my Ishtar from gate to gate, I won't survive very long. Same as when I go afk in space (I have a recent Ishtar/Pod loss due to being afk) - but that doesn't mean that the game should be changed so that afk pilots can't be attacked. I failed to make the proper preparations to protect my assets (taking into account the space I'm in, what ship I'm using etc) - so I paid the price for it. Sucks to be me, next time I'll be more careful. Why do freighter pilots need special handling, moving their 1B asset alone through space?



Oh, the interdiction achieved exactly what was planned, don't worry.

About the market prices: As long as there are people willing to haul for cheap, you have exactly 2 choices: Haul for cheap as well, forgoing safety and just calculate with the occasional loss - or leave the hauling for those that can accept the risk associated with the job. You know what they say: If you can't stand the heat - get out of the ******* kitchen.

Correct. You don't need to worry about a single Enyo for example that's jumping with you in system - it won't be able to kill you in high-sec.



1. If the profits are so low, why do you do it? Let others do the work of hauling your ****.
2. I don't understand.
3. If the reward is too low to pay for an escort, why do you do it? Let other do the work of hauling your ****.
4. Don't try to compete with people who are willing to work for less than you.
5. You can counterbump them or gank their bumpship for example
6. I don't like doing stuff in game that isn't profitable. So when I need my exploration loot hauled to Jita 4-4, I contract it to someone willing to do this work.



You don't understand alignment. If your ship is sitting at 0 speed (like after a jump) it doesn't matter AT ALL where the model is headed. You take the same amount of time to get in warp to ANY PLACE IN THE SOLAR SYSTEM. (See https://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Aligning#.27Passive.27_Alignment). A triple-webbed freighter will get in warp in under 2 seconds, no matter to what gate, station, bookmark.



If the rewards were so high and ganking so easy, why do only so few freighters die to a gank each day?



Actually, the Ishtar in question would be profitable to gank in high-sec with a few thrashers. Buff Ishtars?

I'm a trader as well. But I know that I can outsource the non-profitable parts of trading (the hauling) to people who are willing to work for less profits - more power to them.



If ganking were so profitable, why aren't there more people doing it then?



That would be silly. The Ishtar in question was a normal, tech2 fit for guristas anomalies. The point is that there are many ships that are inherently profitable to gank - why should freighters/industrials be treated differently?

I wonder the same, because in the hauling channel there are public couriers like that, and despite the warnings I give to them, from time to time somebody comes to share the pain of having lost their freighter. Either they overtrust their patrols, escorts, whatever they use, or they don't care about their own safety. I have never exceeded 1b per freighter, and at the moment, my freighter is safe. Just in case, I am getting a platinium insurance since now I can afford it.

PS Most of them use an alter to accept the contract, but very often, if somebody wants to gank you, they put a signature in the contract. Like, for example, 9 thrashers, and 5 units of tritanium (well, that would be too suspicious, but it severs as an example) Then, stuff with low ISK/m3 to justify transport by freighter. If the victim doesn't hide the courier inside a container (and at the same time, they face other risk, "to lose the freighter because the gankers think your cargo is so valuable you want to hide it"), everybody in that gank squad will now that alter is yours.