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Any dev thoughts to the current hybrid rebalance fiasco?

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Imawuss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2011-11-01 22:19:46 UTC
Just curious if any devs are reading that dev blog thread and if they actually plan on participating like was stated they would. Becuase as it stands about 99% do not like what was proposed.
baltec1
Bat Country
Pandemic Horde
#2 - 2011-11-01 22:23:32 UTC
I would wait till we can test them before kicking off.
Shalia Ripper
#3 - 2011-11-01 22:30:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Shalia Ripper
Why wait to complain when you can do it now?

While it is a step in the right direction, don't let it be the last step to take.

Sig blah blah blah blah

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#4 - 2011-11-01 22:32:05 UTC
I'm curious on where this 99% figure is coming from? Oh right you just threw out a random percentage.

Also mind stating what fiasco or what is the issue is with the current untested proposed changes?

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Imawuss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2011-11-01 22:32:38 UTC
We as players do not have to test to have an open discussion or have dev feedback to the proposed changes.
Becuase if we wait till it goes into sisi for testing theres a good chance they will still rush in the changes through then state they will get back to it after its proven to not resolve any of the main issues with hybrids. Then we wait another 3 years for our unused gallente/hybrid skills to be of use again.
Imawuss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-11-01 22:38:01 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I'm curious on where this 99% figure is coming from? Oh right you just threw out a random percentage.



Where is the that number coming from? Well from reading the thread. Try it sometime. In 32 pages (currenlty) maybe 10 poeple have said they like the changes.

Brooks Puuntai wrote:

Also mind stating what fiasco or what is the issue is with the current untested proposed changes?


Again read the thread there are 32 pages explaining it.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#7 - 2011-11-01 22:45:02 UTC
Imawuss wrote:
Where is the that number coming from? Well from reading the thread. Try it sometime. In 32 pages (currenlty) maybe 10 poeple have said they like the changes.

Again read the thread there are 32 pages explaining it.


It's still a bullshit number. Don't use percentages if you haven't actually done any real calculations to get there. It just makes you look like another idiot and ruins your credibility.

Say something more like, "Becuase as it stands about there are a lot of people posting in that 32 page thread who do not like what was proposed. "

players who use the forums are a minority, and those who post are only a vocal minority. I for one like the hybrid changes, and a lot of people I know do too.

Katrina Oniseki

Brooks Puuntai
Solar Nexus.
#8 - 2011-11-01 22:58:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Brooks Puuntai
Imawuss wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I'm curious on where this 99% figure is coming from? Oh right you just threw out a random percentage.



Where is the that number coming from? Well from reading the thread. Try it sometime. In 32 pages (currenlty) maybe 10 poeple have said they like the changes.

Brooks Puuntai wrote:

Also mind stating what fiasco or what is the issue is with the current untested proposed changes?


Again read the thread there are 32 pages explaining it.



For one I'm not going to read all 32 pages, however just reading the first 4-5 pages shows that most(see what I did there) are OK with the changes and feel its a good start. There is no fiasco, the sky isn't falling its incremental changes that all around are for the best. Your 99% figure is still ******** and shows you have very little argument, which is why you throw out a random high percentage number to try and prove a non existing point.


edit: since when is retarded censored. Thats some bullshit.

CCP's Motto: If it isn't broken, break it. If it is broken, ignore it. Improving NPE / Dynamic New Eden

Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2011-11-01 23:00:42 UTC
Imawuss wrote:
Just curious if any devs are reading that dev blog thread and if they actually plan on participating like was stated they would. Becuase as it stands about 99% do not like what was proposed.



So you've read every response?

Troll harder.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2011-11-01 23:07:21 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Imawuss wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I'm curious on where this 99% figure is coming from? Oh right you just threw out a random percentage.



Where is the that number coming from? Well from reading the thread. Try it sometime. In 32 pages (currenlty) maybe 10 poeple have said they like the changes.

Brooks Puuntai wrote:

Also mind stating what fiasco or what is the issue is with the current untested proposed changes?


Again read the thread there are 32 pages explaining it.



For one I'm not going to read all 32 pages, however just reading the first 4-5 pages shows that most(see what I did there) are OK with the changes and feel its a good start. There is no fiasco, the sky isn't falling its incremental changes that all around are for the best. Your 99% figure is still ******** and shows you have very little argument, which is why you throw out a random high percentage number to try and prove a non existing point.


edit: since when is retarded censored. Thats some bullshit.


To Brooks: He's a troll man, dont bother.

To Imawuss: Do a thorough analysis before you spew bullshit.

"The American Government indoctrination system known as public education has been relentlessly churning out socialists for over 20 years". - TravisWB

Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#11 - 2011-11-01 23:09:34 UTC
unused hybrid skills? i fly around like an idiot in Astarte's everyday. This'll just make it more fun.

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mechtech
Ice Liberation Army
#12 - 2011-11-01 23:14:35 UTC
You certainly have a low threshold for a "fiasco".

Or were you trying to be sensationalist and make a mountain of a mole hill? I wonder which it was Roll
Cunane Jeran
#13 - 2011-11-01 23:18:44 UTC
The majority of people I've spoken to are really happy with the changes. Maybe you were expecting some massive power creep but thats the last thing we need. The changes bring Hybrids firmly back in line, open a whole ton of new fits that previously were just not feasible in PvP and PvE, and now fair game.

There is more to it that just damage and tracking.

Also, 99% I too like pulling numbers out my ass.

Get a grip lad.
Kalot Sakaar
CragCO
#14 - 2011-11-01 23:25:29 UTC
Ok, perhaps he was a bit over the top in coming out on this post but he is right to an extent. 30+ pages and not a single CCP response. Only one CSM response, and that's just a simple +1 comment right at the beginning. There are a huge number of issues that need addressing and comparing it to the other posts such as cap ship rebalance, Faction warfare, and the custom's office threads its disturbing to see a complete absence of CCP/CSM response, input and guidance to the discussion.

A lot of players have been anxious for a fix to hybrids and Gallente ships and is certainly to some players the number one most important awaited fix. So when CCP goes silent, you have to expect some angst, especially after all the "open communication" stuff they have talked about. Especially when there is another post that shows the Talos potentially losing its webifier bonus. It just fuels the fire that CCP is in a complete quandry about Gallente rebalance.

In the end, the Tech II ammo change has only made Minmatar even more dominant and is the real story in the Hybrid fix thread, oddly enough.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#15 - 2011-11-01 23:29:18 UTC
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
I'm curious on where this 99% figure is coming from? Oh right you just threw out a random percentage.

Also mind stating what fiasco or what is the issue is with the current untested proposed changes?


would overwhelming majority suffice for you?

and how about you read the thread if you are curious about its contents...Blink

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.

Imawuss
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2011-11-01 23:29:35 UTC
Usually when you say a number is wrong you point to the correct number. So Yes 99% of the people in that thread say the changes dont go far enough. Dont believe me read it yourself or stfu.
And funny the guy saying the rebalance is fine is mimatar go figure... Guess your happy with your Hail buff, effectivly doubling your kite range with your highest damage ammo. Meanwhile void stays the same.
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#17 - 2011-11-01 23:36:51 UTC
I personally love the new hybrid changes. I fly hybrid ships and I accept the range challenge, someone has to get the short straw.

What exactly is your vaginal leakage about? Note I don't think you're really leaking, but since you took liberty with the facts (e.g. 99%, I've decided to be just as fluid).

Always ... Never ... Forget to check your references.   Peace out Zulu! Hope you land well!
Apollo Gabriel
Kill'em all. Let Bob sort'em out.
Ushra'Khan
#18 - 2011-11-01 23:37:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Apollo Gabriel
double post!
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mkint
#19 - 2011-11-01 23:38:16 UTC
Imawuss wrote:
Usually when you say a number is wrong you point to the correct number. So Yes 99% of the people in that thread say the changes dont go far enough. Dont believe me read it yourself or stfu.
And funny the guy saying the rebalance is fine is mimatar go figure... Guess your happy with your Hail buff, effectivly doubling your kite range with your highest damage ammo. Meanwhile void stays the same.

OKay, 99% is wrong. 3% is the correct number. See I can make up sh1t too.

Maxim 6. If violence wasn’t your last resort, you failed to resort to enough of it.

Bryant21
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#20 - 2011-11-01 23:48:21 UTC
I am the 1%!
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