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Passive Shield T1 Ship for L4s
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Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#1 - 2013-10-16 11:57:40 UTC
Hi, this is a typical "What ship could/should i fly" thread...

I'm looking for a cheap (<1 bil) T2 fitted Ship to fly Level 4 Missions with..
..I'd like to passive Shield Tank it and since im a bit lazy -> without much micromanagement..
..Im flying a Gila in Lvl3s atm and i have a Rattlesnake to try out Lvl4s in 2 Weeks (training better Sentry Drones)

..i dont really care about the weapons im going to use.. i do like lasorz and missiles..but my current weapon skills are not worth mentioning so i dont mind completely training a new weapon system..

of course i could just check EFT and different loadouts to see which ships i could use.. but im kinda looking
for experience for example: "im flying ship xy passive shield tanked in l4s and its a breeze coz..."

greetings


Bertrand Butler
Cras es Noster
#2 - 2013-10-16 13:19:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Bertrand Butler
Well, the Rattlesnake can do it rather well..., have a look at this for a starter loadout C:

[Rattlesnake, newbieSink]

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II
Shield Power Relay II

Kinetic Deflection Field II
Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Sensor Booster II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Large Micro Jump Drive

Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Cruise Missile Launcher II, Scourge Precision Cruise Missile
Drone Link Augmentor II
Drone Link Augmentor II

Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II
Large Core Defense Field Purger II

Warden II x5
Garde II x5
Hobgoblin II x5
Hornet EC-300 x5
Hammerhead II x5
Warrior II x5

Not as efficient as can be, but a worthy lazyboat. MJD once and use drones/cruises to shoot the crosses.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2013-10-16 13:39:43 UTC
If you're looking to passive-tank a mission battleship, you're pretty much limited to the Rattlesnake and the Navy Scorpion - the Rattler has a larger native tank to work with, but they've both got the resist bonus tied to the Caldari Battleship skill.

Actually, though, with careful flying, that passive-tanked Gila of yours should be up to L4's. Its sentry DPS capabilities are well into the battleship range, and it can mount a shield tank on par with the Drake (less raw numbers, but it's got a smaller signature which lets it slip a lot of damage that would get through to a Drake or a battleship). A combination of purgers, hardeners, shield extenders, and one or two shield power relays (use the Meta-4 relays; they perform as well as T2's and are much less CPU-intensive) will give you enough resistance to clean-sweep most L4's if you just stay in motion (I like to orbit close to deployed sentries, so I can scoop them if they catch aggro).

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#4 - 2013-10-16 14:42:20 UTC
thanks for your replies..

i was already thinking about the Navy Scorpion and might buy that one after trying the passive Rattle
(i want the T2 Launchers on a Missile Boat)

about the MJD.. i dont really like the idea of using a JumpDrive actually.. I'd prefer jumping in the room, deploying Sentrys
and thats it..

thats why im thinking of using this Fit:

[Rattlesnake, Rattlesnake: Efficient L4 Mission Boat]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I

Kinetic Deflection Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
Experimental 100MN Afterburner I
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
'Arbalest' Cruise Launcher I
Drone Link Augmentor I
Drone Link Augmentor I

Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I
Large Core Defense Field Purger I

is this fit still as effective as it claims to be?
(i know the dps will be a bit less than 800 with my skills..but as i said im not looking for the highest ISK/Hour ratio)
im already using the Meta 4 SPR btw. thanks for mentioning it

i really like the Navy Scorpion when i look at the attributes.. i want to avoid using faction modules tho
..do u think im fine with just T2 stuff on a Navy Scorp?

also: can i use the Scorpion in a similar way and passive tank it?
going to play around with EFT a bit now, but maybe some1 tried this before..

cheers
Pouzdani Patches
All-Out
White Stag Exit Bag
#5 - 2013-10-16 18:02:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Pouzdani Patches
Schmu Efrafa wrote:


i really like the Navy Scorpion when i look at the attributes.. i want to avoid using faction modules tho
..do u think im fine with just T2 stuff on a Navy Scorp?




Don't shy away from using faction modules on a faction ship. A bit of expensive tank goes a long way for a missioning battleship. Of course, I'm not saying you should overdo it and get ganked, but unless you go crazy on the X-types and officer mods or get multiple deadspace invulnerability fields, you shouldn't have safety concerns. Going for t2 only will gimp your tank a bit and I'm not sure if you can achieve your afk-missioning goals with it.


Additionally, don't shy away from MJD either. Distance-tanking is hella effective, so you won't have to have an overly tough natural tank if you utilize it. You just get in, MJD, drop sentries, and snipe from 100km, easy. It can additionally often rescue you out of tough spots, and help with moving around in some movement-heavy missions.
Baggo Hammers
#6 - 2013-10-16 21:40:21 UTC
MJD is jumping in the room.

Be advised, the days of AFK drone missioning are over.

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2013-10-16 21:45:30 UTC
Now come the days of the Marauder. May they be blessed. P
Roseline Penshar
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-10-16 22:11:46 UTC
typhoon for passive shield tanking, i use it for L4 it's not really good for isk/hr but it's an easy mode
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#9 - 2013-10-17 03:19:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Arthur Aihaken
Caldari Raven Navy Issue. Fit it with three rigors, Faction launchers and ballistic controllers, signal amplifier, sensor booster (range script) and a MJD. You can run a completely passive tank without the need for shield boosters (although a Gistii A-Type small shield booster is handy). With Sentries you'll be hitting for almost 1000 dps out to 175km+ easily. At that range, nothing touches you to be concerned with.

For passive modules I recommend the Gistum C-Type passive amplifiers, as most cost only slightly more than T2s. Two large shield extenders (T2 or Faction) then give you some nice anti-gank tank You should even have a slot for a microwarpdrive for getting around.

And if you get pinched (which happens occasionally in L4s), just light the MJD (since it can't be scrammed). For the ultimate in laziness train your auto-targeting missiles skills and switch to those.

Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Now come the days of the Marauder. May they be blessed. P

I guess if you need Bastion to tank. I prefer to not need the tank in the first place. Big smile

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2013-10-17 08:24:06 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Caldari Raven Navy Issue. Fit it with three rigors, Faction launchers and ballistic controllers, signal amplifier, sensor booster (range script) and a MJD. You can run a completely passive tank without the need for shield boosters (although a Gistii A-Type small shield booster is handy). With Sentries you'll be hitting for almost 1000 dps out to 175km+ easily. At that range, nothing touches you to be concerned with.

For passive modules I recommend the Gistum C-Type passive amplifiers, as most cost only slightly more than T2s. Two large shield extenders (T2 or Faction) then give you some nice anti-gank tank You should even have a slot for a microwarpdrive for getting around.

And if you get pinched (which happens occasionally in L4s), just light the MJD (since it can't be scrammed). For the ultimate in laziness train your auto-targeting missiles skills and switch to those.

Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Now come the days of the Marauder. May they be blessed. P

I guess if you need Bastion to tank. I prefer to not need the tank in the first place. Big smile


The Navy Raven can definitely shoot missiles out to 175km, but if you've got 3 rigors and 8 launchers, sentries can't come into play until your target gets within 60km, assuming you've got perfect drone skills, because of drone control range limitations.

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-10-17 08:43:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
OP: Controversial, but what about a tengu? It's not technically passive tanked, but seeing as it's cap stable running a booster if fit right, it might as well be from an interaction point of view. Of course, it's not the most ruthlessly efficient level 4 boat and you have the unknown of the T3 rebalance but....just throwing it out there.

Undock, turn stuff on and forget about it.


Edit: @Marc Callan: A CNR can push 1k dps with 5% implants and doesnt need sentries. But that's firing fury and at these ranges a painter is worthless to it wont get all that on the little ships.
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#12 - 2013-10-17 08:56:15 UTC
thanks for all the input..

of course i will try out the MJD..
..this way i could fit more drone damage and i think u can use the "WARP TO" button when ur 150km away from a gate right?
..about the green and blue modules.. i want to get the navy Omnidirectionals atleast and keep the T2 tank if im using a MJD..

i just trained sentrys to III and will play around with the Gila a bit and see how sentrys in general feel like..
..im aware that i have to return the sentrys quite often (depending on the mission)


..Im wondering if CCP is going to nerv the pirate faction ships tho.. read some stuff about rebalancing marauders compared to faction ships..will see how that turns out..

Quote:
OP: Controversial, but what about a tengu?


i would like to fly a Tengu..it just takes a while to get the skills no?

cheers
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-10-17 08:58:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Morrigan LeSante
Depends on what you already have. About a month to get the subsystems to 4/5 where required and T2 missiles are pretty mandatory.

This is a decent fit even today: http://eve.battleclinic.com/loadout/34086-Tengu-PvE-Minimum-Spec.html

Just...play in a fitting tool to see what you need and you dont need the bling
Schmu Efrafa
Snuggles Inc.
#14 - 2013-10-17 09:06:42 UTC
haha.. i was just looking at exactly that fit :)

its a longer way to go for me to fly the tengu efficiently..but a nice goal aswell..
..think im going to train all missile support, drone, shield to V and IV first tho..
Morrigan LeSante
Perkone
Caldari State
#15 - 2013-10-17 09:10:57 UTC
Well, those are nice skills to have across lots of boats anyway Smile

Rattler offers better options in general imo and is a mean SoB when you get bored and go active tanked.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#16 - 2013-10-18 05:33:30 UTC
Honestly if you're going to be at the computer and your internet connection isn't completely crap, I would avoid passive tanking. It's very slot-inefficient on Battleships and you usually end up way overtanked with not enough damage and projection making missions take ages.

I know it can be daunting to manage an active tank with a capacitor booster but honestly, it's not that hard at all, PvP and stuff like that is miles above it in terms of micro management. Once you get used to it using an active tanked ship in mission will be a brainless task but it comes with the added advantage of earning way more money than a badly fit passive tanked ship.
Rath Kelbore
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-10-19 16:30:22 UTC
This isn't exactly what you asked for but it's close. This is a variation of what I use to run plexes sometimes in null. It is absolutely not optimal, but it's cheap and has good DPS. I changed the rigs to CCC's so you can perma run one booster if you really wanted to. It'd be better to put rigors and flares there.

Mission specific hardeners would be better as well, but you said you were lazy so this will provide more than enough tank against all mission rats without swapping hardeners.

The cloak is for trolling null bears, you can remove it obviously.

[Raven, PVE Test]

6x Cruise Missile Launcher II (Scourge Fury Cruise Missile)
Dread Guristas Cloaking Device

2x Pithum C-Type Medium Shield Booster
2x Adaptive Invulnerability Field II
EM Ward Field II
Target Painter II
Shield Boost Amplifier II

4x Ballistic Control System II
Signal Amplifier II

3x Large Capacitor Control Circuit I

5x Warrior II
5x Vespa II

If you don't have tech 2 missiles you can even downgrade the launchers ect and it'll still run missions well enough. There are of course far better options out there, but this one is cheap and easy.


I plan on living forever.......so far, so good.
Marc Callan
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2013-10-19 20:55:16 UTC
Morrigan LeSante wrote:
Well, those are nice skills to have across lots of boats anyway Smile

Rattler offers better options in general imo and is a mean SoB when you get bored and go active tanked.


If you're active-tanking a Rattlesnake, would you base it on the T1 Raven/CNR active tank? (What with the seven mid-slots compared to the SNI's eight?) And how would you rig it?

"We are what we pretend to be, so we must be careful about what we pretend to be." - Kurt Vonnegurt
Antillie Sa'Kan
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#19 - 2013-10-20 03:55:29 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Caldari Raven Navy Issue. Fit it with three rigors, Faction launchers and ballistic controllers, signal amplifier, sensor booster (range script) and a MJD. You can run a completely passive tank without the need for shield boosters (although a Gistii A-Type small shield booster is handy). With Sentries you'll be hitting for almost 1000 dps out to 175km+ easily. At that range, nothing touches you to be concerned with.

For passive modules I recommend the Gistum C-Type passive amplifiers, as most cost only slightly more than T2s. Two large shield extenders (T2 or Faction) then give you some nice anti-gank tank You should even have a slot for a microwarpdrive for getting around.

And if you get pinched (which happens occasionally in L4s), just light the MJD (since it can't be scrammed). For the ultimate in laziness train your auto-targeting missiles skills and switch to those.

Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Now come the days of the Marauder. May they be blessed. P

I guess if you need Bastion to tank. I prefer to not need the tank in the first place. Big smile

Who said anything about bastion? The DPS these things can put out is pretty impressive.
CMD Ishikawa
New Eden Public Security Section 9
#20 - 2013-10-20 03:58:42 UTC
Antillie Sa'Kan wrote:
Now come the days of the Marauder. May they be blessed. P


Nice one ... =D

OP Related: I think the Rattlesnake fits better with your request, it's a very versatile battleship that will go with you all the way while you get the sp to get the most of it.

Once you have more experience and better skills you can switch tank for gank and make it a beast.
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