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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#101 - 2013-11-14 23:59:49 UTC
Dato Koppla wrote:
Wow the scene where the sentry drones popped out of the ship and fired was amazing.


Yeah just like they have in the game.... Oh wait...

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Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#102 - 2013-11-14 23:59:56 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:


How about showing us the pod fluid and adding some hard sci fi to the mix


Did you miss the part of the trailer that showed space ships? Spaceships flying in space and using space guns and drones?

I'd file that under hard sci-fi.

Mr Epeen Cool
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#103 - 2013-11-15 00:01:33 UTC
empowered to defy the empires..

but never concord, our invincible gods

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Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#104 - 2013-11-15 00:04:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
You know, this kind of reminds me of the Star Citizen movies, except in Star Citizen they aren't pre-rendered movies.

That and you can actually look around in your spaceship in Star Citizen at actual huds.

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#105 - 2013-11-15 00:05:25 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

How about showing us the pod fluid and adding some hard sci fi to the mix CCP never needed to go all artistic with their trailers before, in game footage was good enough to sell eve in the past, why the sudden and disappointing change?

The art direction CCP chooses to take with their game is their choice, and theirs alone.

I'm pretty sure showing a pod with green goo isn't the best way to attract new subscribers, and most of the current subscribers won't exactly swoon over the presence of green goo either. Ugh

Captain Tardbar wrote:
You know, this kind of reminds of the Star Citizen movies

So the Eve "movie" reminds you of the Star Citizen "movie". Okay..... Does it also remind you of the Star Wars movies? Also, star citizen has no actual released gameplay, aside from a hangar that's effectivley a CQ equivalent atm. And it won't have any gameplay for a long while to come. And even when it does, I guarantee you it won't live up to the hype, nothing ever does.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#106 - 2013-11-15 00:09:21 UTC
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

How about showing us the pod fluid and adding some hard sci fi to the mix CCP never needed to go all artistic with their trailers before, in game footage was good enough to sell eve in the past, why the sudden and disappointing change?

The art direction CCP chooses to take with their game is their choice, and theirs alone.

I'm pretty sure showing a pod with green goo isn't the best way to attract new subscribers, and most of the current subscribers won't exactly swoon over the presence of green goo either. Ugh

Captain Tardbar wrote:
You know, this kind of reminds of the Star Citizen movies

So the Eve movie reminds you of the Star Citizen movie. Okay..... Does it also remind you of the Star Wars movies?


They need to compete or die. Hence, they are making videos that remind people of someone elses videos.

Or at least as exciting.

Remind me when we are going to be able to see the insides of our capsules again?

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PotatoOverdose
Handsome Millionaire Playboys
Sedition.
#107 - 2013-11-15 00:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: PotatoOverdose
Captain Tardbar wrote:

They need to compete or die. Hence, they are making videos that remind people of someone elses videos.

Or at least as exciting.

Remind me when we are going to be able to see the insides of our capsules again?

Yes, an enormous sandbox mmo needs to compete with a game that features heavy instancing and server caps of 32-100(?) players. Roll

Also, tbh I'd be more worried about star citizen given that it feels the need to milk players for shitloads of money for "grand space admiral deluxe" versions of the game before it is anywhere near release.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#108 - 2013-11-15 00:17:11 UTC
PS

This trailer is done within the engine of Star Citizen not pre-renders:

http://www.vg247.com/2013/06/24/star-citizen-300-series-trailer-shows-off-gorgeous-in-engine-graphics/

It would be nice if the EVE engine could do the same I suppose, but no we have to use artistic licenses to make people imagine what its like inside your pod without ever showing you.

Then again, I suppose using your imagination every now and again doesn't hurt.

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#109 - 2013-11-15 00:20:17 UTC
I actually kinda wish that with SC release the people who want to play SC instead of EVE will move on to SC and stop trying to turn EVE into SC.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#110 - 2013-11-15 00:23:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Captain Tardbar
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I actually kinda wish that with SC release the people who want to play SC instead of EVE will move on to SC and stop trying to turn EVE into SC.


Personally I don't think EVE should be like SC, but I just think the videos showing capsuleers in cockpits like SC are funny when there will never ever be an in game cockpit. Its kind of false advertisment in a way.

There should be a disclaimer somewhere that says: "*Must use imagination to see inside capsule."

Seriously why not show an in engine demonstration of this activity... Or is it not exciting enough when you go and actually play it in game?

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Aynen
Federal Guard and Recon Corporation
#111 - 2013-11-15 00:26:01 UTC
First off; trailer looks amazing!

Second, does anyone else feel that the general 'feel' of the trailer has become a bit less 'Eve' and a bit more 'Star Wars'?
I'm thinking especially of things like the camera movement and angles. Less 'cold and distant' and more 'in your face and close to the action'.
It doesn't really fit my personal perspective on the Eve atmosphere.
The addition of actual people in the trailers hasn't been around for very long yet, and it definitely changes the way the videos feel, but if it were me directing it I'd not zoom in quite as much, to create a more 'calculated and calm immortal pod pilot' than a 'caught in the heat of the moment immortal pod pilot'.
Immortals aren't so afraid to die after all.
Marlise Chelien
Awesome Federation of Awesome
#112 - 2013-11-15 00:27:13 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I actually kinda wish that with SC release the people who want to play SC instead of EVE will move on to SC and stop trying to turn EVE into SC.


Personally I don't think EVE should be like SC, but I just think the videos showing capsuleers in cockpits like SC are funny when there will never ever be an in game cockpit. Its kind of false advertisment in a way.

There should be a disclaimer somewhere that says: "*Must use imagination to see inside capsule."

Seriously why not show an in engine demonstration of this activity... Or is it not exciting enough when you go and actually play it in game?

If you really think star citizen gameplay will be anything like the trailers you've got another thing coming...
Gaia Ma'chello
Photosynth
#113 - 2013-11-15 00:32:05 UTC
CCP Falcon wrote:
Intex Encapor wrote:
so pod fluid is a thing of the past?

or just crative freedom in the trailer


The trailer gives a more artistic view that's easier for people to understand and paints an image of what the capsuleer sees in terms of a user interface. Pod fluid is still a thing, yes Smile

Hence the reason the capsuleers see stuff like "Warp Drive Active" across their HUD, the same as players do Cool


Another way to interpret the scenes in the trailer is what is shown is the virtual reality as experienced by the pilot. After all it would be hard to talk with your throat, lungs and mouth full of pod fluid. But you could be experiencing a virtual reality where you feel as though you are talking, even though you are actually mentally interfacing with the comms system.
Jada Maroo
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#114 - 2013-11-15 00:45:06 UTC
Man that's an exciting looking game. What's it called?
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#115 - 2013-11-15 00:48:33 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
PotatoOverdose wrote:
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:

How about showing us the pod fluid and adding some hard sci fi to the mix CCP never needed to go all artistic with their trailers before, in game footage was good enough to sell eve in the past, why the sudden and disappointing change?

The art direction CCP chooses to take with their game is their choice, and theirs alone.

I'm pretty sure showing a pod with green goo isn't the best way to attract new subscribers, and most of the current subscribers won't exactly swoon over the presence of green goo either. Ugh

Captain Tardbar wrote:
You know, this kind of reminds of the Star Citizen movies

So the Eve movie reminds you of the Star Citizen movie. Okay..... Does it also remind you of the Star Wars movies?


They need to compete or die. Hence, they are making videos that remind people of someone elses videos.

Or at least as exciting.

Remind me when we are going to be able to see the insides of our capsules again?


I can see the sense in that, the point I am repeatedly making is that in the past, eve's content via graphics, fx and gameplay was good enough to sell the game on it's merits and attract the right type of buyer to their store. I can't believe that the previous demographic of buyers/players out there has been used up, so why the attempts to glorify their product with 'artistic licence'. I don't mind a little bit of artistic licence as long as it's a polished representation of what can be done in game. I'll eat my words if rubicon brings spaceships that warp in and out like they did in the rubicon video, or if the sisters of eve ships actually do move like that, flying through structures etc, not to mention all of the implied avatar content.

The correct use of artistic licence

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9kmUf3fflrA

a proper trailer that does not lie to prospective customers.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HrrVDV_NsNo

best trailer ever imo says what eve is all about without pretending to be avatars in a cockpit with a hud in space as opposed to FIS. It has plenty of artistic licence that it s not too far from the game to be unbelievable. That's the trouble with the rubicon trailer is smacks of total bollox...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PKdTJjDnYzE

another great trailer that doesn't try to write cheques it cant cash

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zDVEHE10nHc


This incarna teaser says what it is to be a capsuleer. The pod opening sequence is magic and represents eve better than anything I've seen tonight in the new rubicon trailer.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NlSRI9uCDo8

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Jim Era
#116 - 2013-11-15 00:50:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jim Era
CCP Falcon wrote:


The trailer gives a more artistic view that's easier for people to understand and paints an image of what the capsuleer sees in terms of a user interface. Pod fluid is still a thing, yes Smile

Hence the reason the capsuleers see stuff like "Warp Drive Active" across their HUD, the same as players do Cool



I thought the camera drones out side of the ship was how the capsuleer saw?

Wat™
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#117 - 2013-11-15 00:53:38 UTC
Jada Maroo wrote:
Man that's an exciting looking game. What's it called?


whatever it's called it aint eve, I think it might be a new star wars online or some **** like that...

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#118 - 2013-11-15 00:57:57 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I actually kinda wish that with SC release the people who want to play SC instead of EVE will move on to SC and stop trying to turn EVE into SC.


I would like to remind you that Eve was the original Star Citizen before elements of the FIS crowd hijacked community anger over a botched expansion called incarna, a leaked CCP menu entitled 'greed is good' and the mention of gold ammo being on sale in the nex store. The resulting furore turned CCP into a market follower when prior to this it was the market leader in SCI FI mmo's.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#119 - 2013-11-15 01:10:58 UTC
Little Dragon Khamez wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I actually kinda wish that with SC release the people who want to play SC instead of EVE will move on to SC and stop trying to turn EVE into SC.


I would like to remind you that Eve was the original Star Citizen before elements of the FIS crowd hijacked community anger over a botched expansion called incarna, a leaked CCP menu entitled 'greed is good' and the mention of gold ammo being on sale in the nex store. The resulting furore turned CCP into a market follower when prior to this it was the market leader in SCI FI mmo's.


We actually got a thread going for things to help bring that side of EVE back and not let CQ just become something more than useless.

Link to said topic.

More Character Customization :: Especially compared to what we had in 2003...
Khanh'rhh
Sparkle Motion.
#120 - 2013-11-15 01:26:03 UTC
Is it a recent eve online trailer checklist:

- Does it include visuals impossible in the client? Check
- Does it suggest gameplay impossible in the client? Check
- Does it suggest story or content not in the client? Check
- Does it use known assets in a way that is incongruous with how Eve plays? Check
- As a piece of advertising, does it seemingly speak only to the current player-base? Check
- Does it in any way represent an experience likely or possible to happen in Eve online? Ehhhhhhh

Eve has some awesome trailers in it's back catalogue, but more and more they're starting to look like a sub-par CGI (lol dem faces WHAT) / tech demo to appeal to current players and distract them from the lack of anything* actually shipping with the expansion.

* - granted, hyperbole

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