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High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality

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Onictus
Capital Fusion.
Pandemic Horde
#61 - 2013-10-16 10:33:30 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Quote:


No, I don't get it. Highsec is ONE jump away if you find the right wormhole, a wormhole in null that leads straight to highsec. Alternatively, a more common wormhole that leads to a quiet lowsec system very close to a highsec system.


Little miracle called a carrier, jump to low, fly out in with a neutral alt.

I'm not wasting 2 hours fishing for holes that may go in right direction.


Well done, you have a carrier. Your initial post was whinging about the supposed difficulties of ratting in nullsec, namely getting the loot out. Here, I'll post it for you:

Onictus wrote:
But I can make 60/hr in high sec while in fleets with a high sec alt with borderline skills and 250 mil of raven AND not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it.


So you rat in highsec because getting everything back from null is a real pain. Wormholes are a way around this for people who don't have carrier or jump bridge support.

Which you do.

So what's your problem? Maybe you are just argumentative by nature.



Because cynoes don't light themselves, so yes it's aggravating. I don't really like bearing, its a waste of time I could be doing something useful.

Not to mention at 16-18 mil per trip it's not something you do daily if you can avoid it.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2013-10-16 10:34:42 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
There is major flaw in your 1 billion / hour calculation: you forgot to include billions in lost ships and hundreds of hours you've spent to gain knowledge of null.


1) It's near impossible to lose a ship in a nullsec system if you're there first, you're vigilant and you've made interplanetary safes
2) It takes you hundreds of hours to check dotlan and dscan?

Dodixie > Hek

ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#63 - 2013-10-16 10:39:39 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.


"Substantially". When was the last time you got paid to flip burgers?

Dodixie > Hek

Sorao Soreen
Profit to burn
Men Of Mayhem.
#64 - 2013-10-16 10:52:48 UTC
some great reading and info there ziona thanx. would it be ok to hit you up ingame to have a chat give me some advice or somthing. cheers
Rumtin
Imperium Technologies
Evictus.
#65 - 2013-10-16 10:57:52 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Rumtin wrote:
Agreed, the isk figures are higher so in theory you're making a lot more per tick, but the fact you have yourself and 30+ other ships to contend with means you don't always get to run the sites.

If a solo ninja can find an empty system for themselves, why can't a sov holder with maps/bridges/intel?



Unlike some random nuet that wonders system to system, corps part of an alliance that agree to remain in areas they control are limited. As a member of LAWN living in Delve, I can't just go ratting in Dekklin whenever I feel like it, there's consequences. I have to remain in LAWN operating areas. As a member of the CFC, I thought you would have known this.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#66 - 2013-10-16 11:01:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Rumtin wrote:
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
Rumtin wrote:
Agreed, the isk figures are higher so in theory you're making a lot more per tick, but the fact you have yourself and 30+ other ships to contend with means you don't always get to run the sites.

If a solo ninja can find an empty system for themselves, why can't a sov holder with maps/bridges/intel?



Unlike some random nuet that wonders system to system, corps part of an alliance that agree to remain in areas they control are limited. As a member of LAWN living in Delve, I can't just go ratting in Dekklin whenever I feel like it, there's consequences. I have to remain in LAWN operating areas. As a member of the CFC, I thought you would have known this.

Sekret Alt account.


Sorao Soreen wrote:
some great reading and info there ziona thanx. would it be ok to hit you up ingame to have a chat give me some advice or somthing. cheers

Yeah of course.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#67 - 2013-10-16 11:04:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Chopper Rollins
ElQuirko wrote:
Chopper Rollins wrote:
when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.


"Substantially". When was the last time you got paid to flip burgers?


Spoke to an 18 yr old student who worked KFC up until last year.
A billion an hour? That's nice.
Still rather be derping around with good company doing things i like. That's just me though, having fun with cheerful, insightful people has always drawn me away from scraping up play money.

edit: spellening

Isk/hr...jesus christ.

Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

voetius
Grundrisse
#68 - 2013-10-16 11:09:14 UTC

Just for the record Infinity, I wasn't having a dig at you with my remark about people's motives for posting the "nerf xxx" type threads, it was more of a general comment.


On the subject of null sec plexing though I think you should take into account the sunk cost of the time you spent training up all those ships and fits, the time spent learning how to get around without dieing etc, though I appreciate taking wormholes cuts some travel risks and finally that you are running multiple accounts. TBH I'd rather just trade on my alt, too much hassle for me :)
Lugalbandak
Lego3
#69 - 2013-10-16 11:12:58 UTC
I really dont get wy null sec guys have alts in empire , if you dont make more isk with anom/ded sites in null then high sec , you doing soemting awful wrong and you should pod yourself back to empire and save the damsell for the 1001 time.

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Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#70 - 2013-10-16 11:14:11 UTC
Now youve made this forum post there might be less sites to run. Also the difference isnt that big if you factor in incursions.
Amber Kurvora
#71 - 2013-10-16 11:33:54 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
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Good for you that you have the option to buy isk. However a lot of people don't like to buy it since it cheapens the whole experience of playing a game. Sort of like buying monopoly money. Others have better things to spend their RL dollars on.

Me I sometimes will buy a plex however since I'm attempting to fund 10 stealth bomber alts I'd rather not spend 150 per month.

....


See right here is where i'm confused. A PLEX is 500m isk, you're making 100m an hour, so 20% of a PLEX.
Works out to about 3$ an hour, correct my maths i suppose but i doubt it's far off.
You're willing to spend 5 hrs making enough play money to buy one PLEX when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.


Clearly you are going to live forever, there's no other way that works out.





How anyone decides to use their game time is up to them. Simple as that. You may not agree with it, but it's not your life they're living.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#72 - 2013-10-16 11:55:20 UTC
Amber Kurvora wrote:
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How anyone decides to use their game time is up to them. Simple as that. You may not agree with it, but it's not your life they're living.


Of course, but when the thread is named High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income- the reality, followed by some figures that prove my point that the richest PVE is still kid's money earned over a long damn time, then we're into metrics not opinions.
OP claims to be having a super jolly fun time getting enough spaec moneys to fund 10 bomber alts, which makes me straight up tearful since he doesn't have the personality to pull together 10 people to his cause from the 14k online.
Look up OPs threads, he's never wrong. Gets shot out of a lolfit proteus and still declares total omniscience. There's a straight line i'm drawing here.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Velicitia
XS Tech
#73 - 2013-10-16 11:55:26 UTC
Amber Kurvora wrote:

How anyone decides to use their game time is up to them. Simple as that. You may not agree with it, but it's not your life they're living.


This, pretty much ...

However I will argue that how someone decides to use their "game time" is not solely up to them. Anyone can waltz into their mission or belt or wormhole and force them to play "their way" for a little while through various nefarious acts:

- Stealing the mission "goal" (e.g. The Damsel)
- Blowing up their mining barge
- wardec (in hisec anyway)
- RF a POS
- miner bumping/extortion a la "The New Order"
- gate/station camp and ransom
- etc.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

Maaaaowm Ogeko
Pandemic Horde High Sec Division
#74 - 2013-10-16 11:59:00 UTC
I approve of this thread. So sick of the constant "nerf highsec" propaganda from certain nullbears. The typical highsec occupations pay pitifully. Incursions, scamming and station trading all offer the potential for much higher income but at an appropriately higher risk and investment/reward ratio. Not gonna go into wardecc'ing because I know nothing about it.

So yeah. Keep it up, Ziona.

Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#75 - 2013-10-16 12:01:09 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Amber Kurvora wrote:
...
How anyone decides to use their game time is up to them. Simple as that. You may not agree with it, but it's not your life they're living.


Of course, but when the thread is named High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income- the reality, followed by some figures that prove my point that the richest PVE is still kid's money earned over a long damn time, then we're into metrics not opinions.
OP claims to be having a super jolly fun time getting enough spaec moneys to fund 10 bomber alts, which makes me straight up tearful since he doesn't have the personality to pull together 10 people to his cause from the 14k online.
Look up OPs threads, he's never wrong. Gets shot out of a lolfit proteus and still declares total omniscience. There's a straight line i'm drawing here.



lmao. I must have touched you incorrectly with my Proteus lolfit. That would be the lolfit that killed got 22 kills in an alliance hub before getting hot dropped by 17 people yeah?

From where I stand, 22 solo kills for a lol-fit is not bad. Must have been killing lol-pilots. Oh yeah I was, same people that sold their two regions to Goons rather than defend themselves :)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Prince Kobol
#76 - 2013-10-16 12:10:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Prince Kobol
Lugalbandak wrote:
I really dont get wy null sec guys have alts in empire , if you dont make more isk with anom/ded sites in null then high sec , you doing soemting awful wrong and you should pod yourself back to empire and save the damsell for the 1001 time.


Maybe because of some us have limited time when we can play without having to go afk due to RL so we chose to spend it PvP'ing.

I only get a few hours per day were I know I wont have to go afk for any number of RL reasons.

Its far easier running missions in HS / Incursions / Trading / Scamming to generate isk as you can go afk when ever you chose, even if it means just floating in space.
TharOkha
0asis Group
One Man Corps Alliance
#77 - 2013-10-16 12:10:42 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:
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See right here is where i'm confused. A PLEX is 500m isk, you're making 100m an hour, so 20% of a PLEX.
Works out to about 3$ an hour, correct my maths i suppose but i doubt it's far off.
You're willing to spend 5 hrs making enough play money to buy one PLEX[i] when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.


NOT IN EVERY PART OF THIS FKING WORLD DUDE Attention
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#78 - 2013-10-16 12:11:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Kaarous Aldurald
Few things here. We've already established that the upper bounds of single player income in nullsec are higher. That was never in dispute, but it sure seems to be the highlight here. Not sure why.

Secondly, I see no screenshots or proof of this assertion of any kind. Also, the math is bad, flat out. It's not "my isk/hr is how long it took me to run it". No. It's how long you spent in nullsec before you left, which divides into your total gains. Not just "well I made a bunch of money on a lucky drop in a Guristas site, so nullsec is fine", because to anyone who has ever lived there, that logic wouldn't float if it were made of helium.

Thirdly, it's not just one guy doing DEDs vs one guy in highsec doing missions for your math if nullsec is better. Under most circumstances you have only one guy getting the DED site (the exception being site thieving), whereas there is absolutely no limit on missions. So it's the one guy in nullsec vs 10-20 guys missioning and mining.

No matter how you slice that, nullsec gets the smaller piece.

Oh, and one more thing. Nullsec doesn't need it's sites buffed, either, unlike the OPs disingenuous insinuations to the effect that people claim they do. When people say they want nullsec buffed, they mean so that it's not completely pointless to perform almost any industrial task in null. Everything else is unprofitable compared to the utter ease and total lack of risk involved in production in highsec.

Then, the thread title itself is improper, even if the OPs false assertion were correct. Nullsec isn't fine because sites are fine. Not when highsec has: missions, comparatively safe mining, total monopoly on production, etc.

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Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#79 - 2013-10-16 12:24:29 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:


Yesterday I made 1 billion isk in 45 minutes running The Maze, a few minutes before that I ran a Guristas Military Operations Complex and made an additional 500 million or so. Apart from the modules I looted 2 faction BS BPC's worth 600 million. I think in total I made 2 billion on both sites. About 2 hours worth of combat sites.



I can make that with low sec plexes too. Level 4s should still be moved to low sec. The only good isk making PvE that should be available in high sec is incursions because at least there you need to have a fleet and compete for the sites.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-10-16 12:28:29 UTC
Chopper Rollins wrote:

Still rather be derping around with good company doing things i like. That's just me though, having fun with cheerful, insightful people has always drawn me away from scraping up play money.

that's ok if you play Eve Online like Counter-Strike in space.
However you'd be better see other parts of this game too ;)

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