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High Sec Income vs Null Sec Income - the reality

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Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#41 - 2013-10-16 09:02:55 UTC
Just 2ç

Knew this guy who, 4 months into the game, was easily plexing 2 accounts with his null income until his alliance lost its sov and he found how difficult it is to plex a single account in hisec with a 4 months old char.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you

Klandi
Consortium of stella Technologies
#42 - 2013-10-16 09:04:27 UTC
I would like to wade in here with the comment that you are looking at just one aspect of making money in Eve - effectively ratting.

As I am an industrialist - this thread helps me how?

I am aware of my own ignorance and have checked my emotional quotient - thanks for asking

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#43 - 2013-10-16 09:12:33 UTC
Klandi wrote:
I would like to wade in here with the comment that you are looking at just one aspect of making money in Eve - effectively ratting.

As I am an industrialist - this thread helps me how?



It is probably the most common method of making ISK. I trade but don't begrudge people their ratting threads.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#44 - 2013-10-16 09:13:30 UTC
Klandi wrote:
I would like to wade in here with the comment that you are looking at just one aspect of making money in Eve - effectively ratting.

As I am an industrialist - this thread helps me how?


As an industrialist, this thread probably doesn't concern you. Much like none of the threads in S&I concern ratters.
Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#45 - 2013-10-16 09:26:41 UTC
Confirming null is way easier to make spaec moneys in. Way easier.

Look i'm a grownup with things to do and can't dedicate 4-6 hr chunks of a day to eve. Would love to, but no. I buy a plex or two and sell it on the market if i need isk and so my focus is on what i'm doing and who with.
So much concern with isk/hr comes from oddball loners who know everything and aren't willing to take their place in a group they can't dominate. 20m ticks? I'm pleased for you son but that's approaching 4$ per hour. You'd be better off stuffing envelopes and buying plex on the market from some rmt bot.

Spaec adventure gaem, chaps, not spaec job.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Onictus
Capital Fusion.
Pandemic Horde
#46 - 2013-10-16 09:36:37 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Onictus wrote:
not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it.


Wormholes are your friend, specifically those that lead straight to highsec. Lowsec holes are more common and work fine if you are close to a quiet highsec entry.



For ten months out of the year I am under war dec, not flying around Jita with a couple billion in a blockade runner. Wormhole or not.

Hence hi sec alts,because it's a waste of time chasing the market hub campers.

It's quicker to have a hauler alt staged and just jump to low.
voetius
Grundrisse
#47 - 2013-10-16 09:43:48 UTC
Zappity wrote:
What's the Ishtar fit? I have no clue about PvE fits but those sure are tempting sums :)


Missions & Complexes forum, search for Null Sec Ninja Master Guide or somthing like that, it's a pretty good read. There are 2 versions, the original thread from a year or more that is now locked and someone restarted it recently iirc.

I'm not going to get into the argument as there are points to be scored on both sides.

But I think alot of these sort of threads, I mean the nerf high-sec nerf null-sec are pre-emptive strikes and are really saying -- if I make a good case that someone is better off than me then CCP won't swing the nerf bat on my favourite isk generator.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#48 - 2013-10-16 09:44:12 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Confirming null is way easier to make spaec moneys in. Way easier.

Look i'm a grownup with things to do and can't dedicate 4-6 hr chunks of a day to eve. Would love to, but no. I buy a plex or two and sell it on the market if i need isk and so my focus is on what i'm doing and who with.
So much concern with isk/hr comes from oddball loners who know everything and aren't willing to take their place in a group they can't dominate. 20m ticks? I'm pleased for you son but that's approaching 4$ per hour. You'd be better off stuffing envelopes and buying plex on the market from some rmt bot.

Spaec adventure gaem, chaps, not spaec job.



Good for you that you have the option to buy isk. However a lot of people don't like to buy it since it cheapens the whole experience of playing a game. Sort of like buying monopoly money. Others have better things to spend their RL dollars on.

Me I sometimes will buy a plex however since I'm attempting to fund 10 stealth bomber alts I'd rather not spend 150 per month.


voetius wrote:
Zappity wrote:
What's the Ishtar fit? I have no clue about PvE fits but those sure are tempting sums :)


Missions & Complexes forum, search for Null Sec Ninja Master Guide or somthing like that, it's a pretty good read. There are 2 versions, the original thread from a year or more that is now locked and someone restarted it recently iirc.

I'm not going to get into the argument as there are points to be scored on both sides.

But I think alot of these sort of threads, I mean the nerf high-sec nerf null-sec are pre-emptive strikes and are really saying -- if I make a good case that someone is better off than me then CCP won't swing the nerf bat on my favourite isk generator.


Yeah no I don't think so. There's no reason at all for me to ever run a L4 again. Doing so would be mentally unbalancing.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#49 - 2013-10-16 10:01:23 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Onictus wrote:
not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it.


Wormholes are your friend, specifically those that lead straight to highsec. Lowsec holes are more common and work fine if you are close to a quiet highsec entry.



For ten months out of the year I am under war dec, not flying around Jita with a couple billion in a blockade runner. Wormhole or not.

Hence hi sec alts,because it's a waste of time chasing the market hub campers.

It's quicker to have a hauler alt staged and just jump to low.


Drop it at the first highsec system you enter and use public courier contracts to get it to the closest hub, then to Jita. It costs less than 1% of the collateral amount.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Chopper Rollins
hahahlolspycorp
Brave Collective
#50 - 2013-10-16 10:02:16 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
...
Good for you that you have the option to buy isk. However a lot of people don't like to buy it since it cheapens the whole experience of playing a game. Sort of like buying monopoly money. Others have better things to spend their RL dollars on.

Me I sometimes will buy a plex however since I'm attempting to fund 10 stealth bomber alts I'd rather not spend 150 per month.

....


See right here is where i'm confused. A PLEX is 500m isk, you're making 100m an hour, so 20% of a PLEX.
Works out to about 3$ an hour, correct my maths i suppose but i doubt it's far off.
You're willing to spend 5 hrs making enough play money to buy one PLEX when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.


Clearly you are going to live forever, there's no other way that works out.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.

Kialopreyst
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#51 - 2013-10-16 10:02:17 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Zappity the fits pretty standard.

Highs

Civilian turret
Cloaking device
Drone link


Mids

Corelum 10MN AB
Pith C-Type Med Shield Booster
Pith X-Type Kinetic Hardner
Pith X-Type Thermal Hardner
Pith X-Type EM Hardner (for The Maze Torp only)

Lows

3 Drone damage Amp II
Nanofibre II
Damage Control II

Rigs

Anti-Thermal Rig II


Pfft, hahahahaha.
Onictus
Capital Fusion.
Pandemic Horde
#52 - 2013-10-16 10:05:09 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Onictus wrote:
not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it.


Wormholes are your friend, specifically those that lead straight to highsec. Lowsec holes are more common and work fine if you are close to a quiet highsec entry.



For ten months out of the year I am under war dec, not flying around Jita with a couple billion in a blockade runner. Wormhole or not.

Hence hi sec alts,because it's a waste of time chasing the market hub campers.

It's quicker to have a hauler alt staged and just jump to low.


Drop it at the first highsec system you enter and use public courier contracts to get it to the closest hub, then to Jita. It costs less than 1% of the collateral amount.



You don't get it high sec is 28 jumps away.....That is with jump bridges.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#53 - 2013-10-16 10:09:13 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Zappity wrote:
Onictus wrote:
not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it.


Wormholes are your friend, specifically those that lead straight to highsec. Lowsec holes are more common and work fine if you are close to a quiet highsec entry.



For ten months out of the year I am under war dec, not flying around Jita with a couple billion in a blockade runner. Wormhole or not.

Hence hi sec alts,because it's a waste of time chasing the market hub campers.

It's quicker to have a hauler alt staged and just jump to low.


Drop it at the first highsec system you enter and use public courier contracts to get it to the closest hub, then to Jita. It costs less than 1% of the collateral amount.



You don't get it high sec is 28 jumps away.....That is with jump bridges.


No, I don't get it. Highsec is ONE jump away if you find the right wormhole, a wormhole in null that leads straight to highsec. Alternatively, a more common wormhole that leads to a quiet lowsec system very close to a highsec system.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.

Ifly Uwalk
Perkone
Caldari State
#54 - 2013-10-16 10:09:52 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Pith X-Type EM Hardner (for The Maze Torp only)

I'm pretty sure that torp was changed to Kin a few patches ago.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#55 - 2013-10-16 10:10:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Chopper Rollins wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
...
Good for you that you have the option to buy isk. However a lot of people don't like to buy it since it cheapens the whole experience of playing a game. Sort of like buying monopoly money. Others have better things to spend their RL dollars on.

Me I sometimes will buy a plex however since I'm attempting to fund 10 stealth bomber alts I'd rather not spend 150 per month.

....


See right here is where i'm confused. A PLEX is 500m isk, you're making 100m an hour, so 20% of a PLEX.
Works out to about 3$ an hour, correct my maths i suppose but i doubt it's far off.
You're willing to spend 5 hrs making enough play money to buy one PLEX when a kid flipping burgers is making substantially more, quicker.


Clearly you are going to live forever, there's no other way that works out.



Yesterday I made a billion an hour. Since I looted 2 Rattlesnake BPC, Pith X-Type XL Shield Booster, Pith X-Type Explosion Hardner, 21st Tier Overseers, 19th or 20th Tier Overseers (don't remember), Pith A-Type Medium Shield Booster, Dread Guristas Cloaking Device. Not including bounties.

And the main thing, that makes it very distinct from income is its fun to do. Rather than something I have to do.

Kialopreyst wrote:

Pfft, hahahahaha.

Assuming by that you think that's a bad fit.

750dps
1100 / 1700 ken thermal tank.
732 m/s with 159m sig
Cap Stable.

Only site I have to both sig and active tank is maze. The rest I can just sit there and pop shite permatanking with booster and sig.


Ifly Uwalk wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Pith X-Type EM Hardner (for The Maze Torp only)

I'm pretty sure that torp was changed to Kin a few patches ago.

Really? Teach me for reading Goonwiki. I guess I'll put my boost amp back on then.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)

Onictus
Capital Fusion.
Pandemic Horde
#56 - 2013-10-16 10:17:24 UTC
Quote:


No, I don't get it. Highsec is ONE jump away if you find the right wormhole, a wormhole in null that leads straight to highsec. Alternatively, a more common wormhole that leads to a quiet lowsec system very close to a highsec system.


Little miracle called a carrier, jump to low, fly out in with a neutral alt.

I'm not wasting 2 hours fishing for holes that may go in right direction.
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2013-10-16 10:18:31 UTC
Zappity wrote:
Lipbite wrote:
Zappity wrote:
I've been wandering through null in an alt lately. I see HEAPS of combat sites available in both NPC and sov null. I don’t understand why anyone would run missions in highsec.


Because
  • people don't need that much money for comfortable (hi-sec) gameplay.
  • [/list]


    What 'gameplay' is there in highsec apart from mission running?



    Apparently some people see the gaining isk as the game and haven't found out that all the fun stuff comes from spending isk. That is maybe why they end up with those stupid officer fit mission running boats. They just haven't found anything to spend isk on.

    Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85

    Ifly Uwalk
    Perkone
    Caldari State
    #58 - 2013-10-16 10:19:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Ifly Uwalk
    Infinity Ziona wrote:
    Ifly Uwalk wrote:
    Infinity Ziona wrote:
    Pith X-Type EM Hardner (for The Maze Torp only)

    I'm pretty sure that torp was changed to Kin a few patches ago.

    Really? Teach me for reading Goonwiki. I guess I'll put my boost amp back on then.

    Not 100% certain. Double-check in M&C with folks who are more knowledgable about anoms and such than me.
    TharOkha
    0asis Group
    One Man Corps Alliance
    #59 - 2013-10-16 10:26:18 UTC
    Silvetica Dian wrote:
    Zappity wrote:
    Lipbite wrote:
    Zappity wrote:
    I've been wandering through null in an alt lately. I see HEAPS of combat sites available in both NPC and sov null. I don’t understand why anyone would run missions in highsec.


    Because
  • people don't need that much money for comfortable (hi-sec) gameplay.
  • [/list]


    What 'gameplay' is there in highsec apart from mission running?



    Apparently some people see the gaining isk as the game and haven't found out that all the fun stuff comes from spending isk. That is maybe why they end up with those stupid officer fit mission running boats. They just haven't found anything to spend isk on.



    Oh right. This old fallacy. Some hisec morons "wears" officer fit. Conclusion = everyone in hisec lives like that.
    Zappity
    New Eden Tank Testing Services
    #60 - 2013-10-16 10:28:37 UTC
    Onictus wrote:
    Quote:


    No, I don't get it. Highsec is ONE jump away if you find the right wormhole, a wormhole in null that leads straight to highsec. Alternatively, a more common wormhole that leads to a quiet lowsec system very close to a highsec system.


    Little miracle called a carrier, jump to low, fly out in with a neutral alt.

    I'm not wasting 2 hours fishing for holes that may go in right direction.


    Well done, you have a carrier. Your initial post was whinging about the supposed difficulties of ratting in nullsec, namely getting the loot out. Here, I'll post it for you:

    Onictus wrote:
    But I can make 60/hr in high sec while in fleets with a high sec alt with borderline skills and 250 mil of raven AND not have to deal with the aggravation of hauling **** back to empire to sell it.


    So you rat in highsec because getting everything back from null is a real pain. Wormholes are a way around this for people who don't have carrier or jump bridge support.

    Which you do.

    So what's your problem? Maybe you are just argumentative by nature.

    Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.