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Are Nullsec Hacking/Relics Profitable?
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Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2013-10-15 17:14:52 UTC
i wanted to try making a living by doing non-combat sites in my Helios. im wondering if i could make at least a couple of hundred mill an hour doing hacking and relic sites in nullsec. are t2 mods essential? would take me 3 weeks to train up for them Sad
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#2 - 2013-10-15 17:26:18 UTC
Are they profitable? Sure. Are you going to pull in "at least a couple of hundred mill an hour "? Umm. No. You're not. There are in fact very few activities that even approach that level of profitability and none of them can be done solo.

During the summer "go take screenshots of things" event I put together a Loki for the third part. It looked something like this:

[Loki, space tourist]
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Nanofiber Internal Structure II
Damage Control II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Cargo Scanner II
Relic Analyzer II
Data Analyzer II
Large Shield Extender II

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Core Scanner Probe I
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M
220mm Vulcan AutoCannon II, EMP M

Medium Anti-Kinetic Screen Reinforcer II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II
Medium Polycarbon Engine Housing II

Loki Defensive - Adaptive Shielding
Loki Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Loki Offensive - Covert Reconfiguration
Loki Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Loki Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir

All I did was run professional sites along the way (mostly Angel and Sansha space). It not only broke even, it paid for a replacement. The whole thing only took a few days of lazy play.

But not hundreds of millions per hour, no.
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#3 - 2013-10-15 17:43:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
would you recommend an all-in-one setup, which is what i used to do with my ishtar, or would profits from relic/hacking sites alone be sufficient, lets say up to 100mill/hr?

training t2 analyzers worth it or essential?
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#4 - 2013-10-15 17:52:02 UTC
All in one meaning both combat and prof site setup? Doesn't work so well anymore. If you want to take an Ishtar out just focus on combats. They're streaky money but overall I'd say better than professional sites.

Professional sites are also streaky, of course. They'd be best done in either a scan frig or a T3 for the hacking bonuses -- especially if you don't have T2 equipment.

And honestly I didn't collect enough data to even propose an isk/hour. Which would require many hundreds of hours to start with given the unpredictable nature of exploration. But you know that....
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-10-15 17:59:35 UTC
alright thanks. i will try profession sites in my helios to see how i like it compared to combat sites in my ishy.
Fia Magrath
The Clown Inquisition
#6 - 2013-10-15 19:07:06 UTC
nullsec relic/data are tad overpopulated lately. I'd even go as far as saying that they are farmed so much, you'd make better isk/hr in a quiet hisec area
Baggo Hammers
#7 - 2013-10-15 21:37:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Baggo Hammers
Fia Magrath wrote:
nullsec relic/data are tad overpopulated lately. I'd even go as far as saying that they are farmed so much, you'd make better isk/hr in a quiet hisec area



Not really possible. Different loot in much lighter quantities.

If it was, I wouldn't be risking my butt being blown up every day. Or in today's case, being blown up.

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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2013-10-15 22:45:26 UTC
Baggo Hammers wrote:
Fia Magrath wrote:
nullsec relic/data are tad overpopulated lately. I'd even go as far as saying that they are farmed so much, you'd make better isk/hr in a quiet hisec area



Not really possible. Different loot in much lighter quantities.

If it was, I wouldn't be risking my butt being blown up every day. Or in today's case, being blown up.

Well, I've noticed lately there's a definite increase of Hacking sites available in high sec now. More than likely due to the Novelty of them being new has worn off now.

The Hacking sites are just one big giant click fest, taking way too long to complete for the value of loot gained from them. The random loot spew at the end is nothing more than a slap in the face. I'm sure the low / null sites are even worse with the risk factor included.

I've also noticed lot's of Rogue Drone sites and Angel DED 1/10 sites available in high sec. The reason for that is no worthwhile loot drops are available from those sites.

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Karma Codolle
Chimera Research and Development
#9 - 2013-10-16 03:36:13 UTC
You can still pull in a bill a month easily in nullsec playing only a few hours a night. But it's not steady income at all and you'll need like 2-5 constellations to poke around in. Some nights you'll pull in a few hundred mill, other nights 50mil
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-10-16 03:38:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Abdiel Kavash
A bil a month for two hours per day is 16M/hour. You might want to mine in highsec if ISK is your goal.

If you pull even 50M every day, you get 1.5b/month.
Baggo Hammers
#11 - 2013-10-16 03:50:17 UTC
Karma Codolle wrote:
You can still pull in a bill a month easily in nullsec playing only a few hours a night. But it's not steady income at all and you'll need like 2-5 constellations to poke around in. Some nights you'll pull in a few hundred mill, other nights 50mil



This is about right

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Joshua Foiritain
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#12 - 2013-10-16 10:38:35 UTC
Null-sec relic plexes in the south still drop up to 150 mill per plex so unless you area of space is farmed to all hell and back pulling in 200 to 300 mill an hour should be trivial.

Data sites are terrible though, cargo scan them for faction bpcs and then ignore them.

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Critical Legend
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2013-10-16 10:43:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Critical Legend
if interest is make few hundred mil isk / hr then relic nullsite could be favor

it used to be relic nullsite 15 intact armor plates and 8 ~ 12 power circuit. best site nullsec relic run for almost 400 mil estimate isk. from intact armor plates and power circuit

good hunting however arheology 5 needed covops with covops cloak and relic analyzer module II. containers with many armor plates get serious many firewalls/dampners and high virus coherence needed to survive.

now it seem they nerf havent seen many sites with 10+ intact plates and average site loot is 50mil

see here for looting best
http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1309/Neural-Boost_minicontainer-loot-distribution.pdf

data site in nullsec mostly ****, good only when faction starbase bpc . but rare.

here what to loot how to fit ship
https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=244165

also get archeology rig on covops - 2 small emission scope sharpener I
Hungry Eyes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-10-16 15:21:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Hungry Eyes
Joshua Foiritain wrote:
Null-sec relic plexes in the south still drop up to 150 mill per plex so unless you area of space is farmed to all hell and back pulling in 200 to 300 mill an hour should be trivial.

Data sites are terrible though, cargo scan them for faction bpcs and then ignore them.


thanks josh =) and everyone else
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#15 - 2013-10-16 17:15:21 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
A bil a month for two hours per day is 16M/hour. You might want to mine in highsec if ISK is your goal.

If you pull even 50M every day, you get 1.5b/month.



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Karma Codolle
Chimera Research and Development
#16 - 2013-10-16 21:31:54 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
A bil a month for two hours per day is 16M/hour. You might want to mine in highsec if ISK is your goal.

If you pull even 50M every day, you get 1.5b/month.



actually it's far better than that as I don't play nightly. I'll go out scanning once or twice a week.

so my average is still closer to the 100mil/hr range for time/effort put in.

And nights i dont find anything at all, i only spend about 30minutes scanning down my few constellations
Fia Magrath
The Clown Inquisition
#17 - 2013-10-18 21:08:32 UTC
on a sidenote, heres my biggest failure in eve, ever.
hacking screeny
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
#18 - 2013-10-19 18:28:39 UTC
With the new deployable to allow fitting etc I am looking forward to venturing to the outer most constellations. I would use a covops frig but the cargo is too small. I'll use a T3: The first fit to be a poor man's blockade runner to maximize cargo space. Once located I'll refit to scan and run professional sites. If the area is quiet enough I'll refit and run the combat sites. Once I have reached maximum lootage I'll refit back for travel and return to my null sec home.

A few caveats: The new deployable will need to be very difficult to scan down. It had better not show up on D scan. Hopefully at some future point it will allow T3 sub system swapping.

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Radhe Amatin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-11-05 09:28:44 UTC
It depends on where you do the site mostly...... for example sansha relic sites are more profitable because you get 4 good salvage from them like:
Intact armor plates around 3.4 mils per piece
Power circuits 2.4 mils per piece
Armor plates 160.000 per piece
Tripped power circuits 130.000? per piece , Prices might not be accurate.

In serpentis space for example the only worthy slavage you get is power circuits and tripped power circuits, guristas same + some other t2 that's worth some what and same goes for blood raider space and angel space.
Your luck will be to find those useful t2 rig bpc.

As for data sites they are pretty same everywhere you go same decryptors with different names.Best check the market to see which empire has a more constant t2 ships sell because that will influence the decryptors value since they need more to make the bpcs.
The golden pot in data sites are the faction pos modules bpc(laser batteries,ac batteries,webs,scrams,neuts) and tower bpc but you need to scan a lot to find those if ever.
Einai
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2013-11-20 18:40:32 UTC
Radhe Amatin wrote:
It depends on where you do the site mostly...... for example sansha relic sites are more profitable because you get 4 good salvage from them like:
Intact armor plates around 3.4 mils per piece
Power circuits 2.4 mils per piece
Armor plates 160.000 per piece
Tripped power circuits 130.000? per piece , Prices might not be accurate.

In serpentis space for example the only worthy slavage you get is power circuits and tripped power circuits, guristas same + some other t2 that's worth some what and same goes for blood raider space and angel space.
Your luck will be to find those useful t2 rig bpc.


Are the armor plates Sansha only? Really no one else drops them? in 0.0
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