Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I've never understood why people get upset during these first iterations. Keep calm, have a cookie. The 4/4 Eris is not long for this world my friends.


In other news,

Sig Radius comparison:

T1 Destroyers range from 56 (thrasher) to 72 (algos).
Proposed Interdictors range from 70 (sabre) to 85 (eris) (down from 75-90).
They're still more like small cruisers than destroyers. 60 to 75 would be a more reasonable range.

that's being rather generous .... 50-60 is more reasonable

I am glad all the dictors will be brought somewhere upto were the epic sabre is today.

[EDIT] The Sabre having the worst align time.. I don't understand this given it's racial niche. This is EVE 101:
Agility: Amarr>Cal>Min>Gal
Velocity: Cal>Amarr>Gal>Min
(ofc Amarr and Caldari make up for it with projection and HPs)

The main issue with interdictors is survivability in larger fleets where they are often key. Even using perches and a cloak you are lucky to get more then a few runs in before it is game over. This is correct they should be ships that require skill and finesse, this is what makes these ships so much fun, but too often its just a case of knowing the suicidal nature of these ships is set too far to WTFBBQ in some situations regardless of what you do.

-Heretic gets a nice tank bonus... other ships get damage/ projection bonus, sorry I kind of lost the point here.
-Eris should be a hybrid bonus ship with great damage and the best agility and a good hull buffer so it has a clear niche. Split weapon serves no purpose like on all other Roden ships. Come up with something better.

The mass reduction is welcome, but the sig is still too high. I would like to see dictors be specialised in what they are supposed to do.. interdiction.. nip in do the job and then get out before large fleet ships start locking them.

To achieve this I'd like to see a significant signature reduction bonus, for me a 3rd bonus that is a damage application/further damage bonus serves no useful purpose for it's role, damage is good for solo work but is a secondary priority.

Other possible tweaks:
-Better (if not T2) resists for all dictors (not just the heretic) would be welcome
-If instead you want to do something interesting you could give them all cloaking bonuses for cloaked velocity, cloak fitting and/or cloaking scan res reduction bonuses (OFC you should not be able to fit a covert ops cloak, no matter how funny this would be).

Minmatar have the best base speed, but as soon you slap a mwd in certain classes, other ships take over.
Before, they were not the faster also in certain classes, ships with more low slots could nano them and be faster than the minmatar equivalent (which was fine). Now, they don't even need to nano, mass is so huge that MWD is enough sometimes.

Minmatar ends up not having the agility, or mass, or speed. NONE of the three. Is this the skirmish race?
The nerfs that you have been giving to mass/agility are starting to go out of line now.
I understand that you want to control it a bit on certain ships, but let others be faster just with an MWD? They don't even need to nano anymore?

Sabre itself have a great slot layout, but making it the least agile of them all?
Vargur? That huge extra mass for +5m/sec base speed?
Vexor, much faster than a Rupture with the mwd on, same slot layout?
And there are more examples.

Speed wise, Stabber and Vagabond were what? cookies?
I know speed is important, give the other races cookies also, just don't **** up with 90% of Minmatar ships agility/mass because of it.

I hate the agility nerfs, too... it was an important reason for flying minmatar for certain ship classes and fleet compositions.

Edit: and 'missiles for everyone' seems kind of lame.

well these are akin to interceptors for dessies so these should be quicker more agile , lower sig and have a big mwd bonus same as inties have really and need a much better slot layout.

I fully agree.

Also take in to account double bubbling needs perhaps the interdictor bonus could be modified on the module directly.

Normally I would say something like "it's ok to have split weapon system done right". But in this case I kind of don't see a point. These ships are often weaker than T1 dessies in head to head combat, yet it seems like you guys are trying to make them work for something without probe launchers fitted (otherwise you can't even milk that paper DPS out of Eris).

I think it isn't gonna fly well this time.
On the other hand, this layout is what may keep a traditional niche role of Eris, being a cheaper coffin, intact.

So basically you leave one ship really bad so that it will be cheaper? I don't really like that idea.

Seconded!

MOAR KHANID!