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Do people who take the game more seriously enjoy the game more?
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Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#21 - 2013-10-12 18:50:57 UTC
Miilla wrote:
Seriously?


Excuse me whilst I laugh into the laughing recipticle.

This is about as serious as Sharknados.


Btw you should only use QED when you actually have a proof.. You have not.




Back from from Sharnado. Seriously. Sharknado is sacred.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#22 - 2013-10-12 19:09:20 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Think about it. If you get mad when your ship blows up, then that means you value your space ships more than the person who doesn't care when they have a loss. That must mean that you have a greater emotional attachment to the game that you take seriously which means you have a greater emotional high when you succeed at the game.

This is all relative too. Say a player who gets mad after he lost a 10 million isk cruiser versus a guy who lost a 16 billion isk faction fit pirate ship. If you just yawn and say no big deal then you are actually cheating yourself out of actually enjoying player created content.

See the risk of loss makes the game enjoyable. When your heart is beating and your palms are sweating then it means you are enjoying the game more than a guy who is just bored with pressing F1. In order to fear loss you must get mad or upset when you have a loss. If you are just apathetic to loss then there is no fear or risk of loss. Its like being bored on a roller coaster ride. You are supposed to get scared to enjoy the ride. If its boring then you aren't getting the most out of the game. If EVE wasn't risky, then it wouldn't be EVE and if you pretend or actually negate the risk by saying you don't care about your ship blowing up then you are simply missing the most enjoyable feature of EVE.

Therby the people who get mad and rage more are enjoying the game more than you.

QED



I love it when my ship gets blown up.

It's why I bought it.

=(

It's like buying a race bike or a skateboard or something. Sure it's going to end up getting broken and used and beaten up. But until then..... enjoy the ride!

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#23 - 2013-10-12 19:10:58 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I would say I take EVE pretty seriously. But I also know that every ship from frigates to capitals is expendable and replaceable. When I lose a ship I am not mad because of the loss, but because I did something stupid to deserve it. In some situations (died to alpha before I could react) I don't feel mad at all. Ship losses are normal and expected, better focus on saving the pod and potentially reshipping.

In other MMOs, you spend all your wealth to get the best possible set of armor and weapons for your character. Losing that would mean dozens of hours of time lost. Some people play EVE this way (see 50b mission running boats), and they are understandably mad when the inevitable occurs. For me, ships are just tools, consumables to be used in a fight. I keep a stash of maybe a dozen hulls wherever I'm staging, so whenever I lose a ship I can just pick another one and rejoin the fight. If the stash starts running low, it's time to order more from Jita.



I will admit there's been a few gate camps I thought I could get away from and was wrong and simply sat back in my chair and let it run its course. You can't do anything much else beyond reaching for your drink of choice and taking a swig.

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Jarod Garamonde
Jolly Codgers
Get Off My Lawn
#24 - 2013-10-12 21:15:27 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Think about it. If you get mad when your ship blows up, then that means you value your space ships more than the person who doesn't care when they have a loss. That must mean that you have a greater emotional attachment to the game that you take seriously which means you have a greater emotional high when you succeed at the game.

This is all relative too. Say a player who gets mad after he lost a 10 million isk cruiser versus a guy who lost a 16 billion isk faction fit pirate ship. If you just yawn and say no big deal then you are actually cheating yourself out of actually enjoying player created content.

See the risk of loss makes the game enjoyable. When your heart is beating and your palms are sweating then it means you are enjoying the game more than a guy who is just bored with pressing F1. In order to fear loss you must get mad or upset when you have a loss. If you are just apathetic to loss then there is no fear or risk of loss. Its like being bored on a roller coaster ride. You are supposed to get scared to enjoy the ride. If its boring then you aren't getting the most out of the game. If EVE wasn't risky, then it wouldn't be EVE and if you pretend or actually negate the risk by saying you don't care about your ship blowing up then you are simply missing the most enjoyable feature of EVE.

Therby the people who get mad and rage more are enjoying the game more than you.

QED



In almost any form of competitive racing, if you get attached to your car, too much, chances are you aren't pushing it to its maximum limit and thus, not getting the most enjoyment out of it. Because you're afraid of losing it.

EVE is the same way. You can buy that pretty ship you've had your eye on, and fit it with the shiniest modules on the market, but until you redbox another player, you are not experiencing everything that ship has to offer you.

I have been playing on this toon since Feb 2007. I gave a damn about my ships for approximately 4 months, and then one day I realized that my ships are as good as dead the moment I buy them.

- "Didn't want that ship, anyway" -
It's not an excuse. It's an explanation. And the sooner a player starts owning that mantra, the closer they will be to enjoying the game.
I'm not saying that you have to PvP to enjoy EVE. Quite the contrary. Chribba is proof-positive of that. But, short of my ex wife and a couple of my former platoon sergeants, I don't know anyone who actually enjoys being angry.

In conclusion, the less you care about your ship, the more willing you will be to put in harm's way. It's exciting, and excitement is enjoyable. You don't even have to watch yourself explode to know you're there. Try ninja'ing through someone's wormhole, some day... take the Sleeper loot and salvage right out from under the noses of the owners. Even if you never see probes on dscan, the entire on-edge experience is just as exciting as actual PvP.

That moment when you realize the crazy lady with all the cats was right...

    [#savethelance]
Silvetica Dian
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#25 - 2013-10-12 21:25:19 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Are these the same people who fondle themselves to sleep pretending that they are their character doing who knows what to another ficticious spaceship character in a sexual manner?

It was the weird pron involving the in game char and their drone that led to the collapse of 401k.
It was deeply disturbing and no one ever read an alliance forum post ever again.
true story.

Money at its root is a form of rationing. When the richest 85 people have as much wealth as the poorest 3.5 billion (50% of humanity) it is clear where the source of poverty is. http://www.theguardian.com/commentisfree/2014/jan/20/trickle-down-economics-broken-promise-richest-85
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
SONS of BANE
#26 - 2013-10-12 21:37:42 UTC
Jarod Garamonde wrote:

- "Didn't want that ship, anyway" -
It's not an excuse. It's an explanation. And the sooner a player starts owning that mantra, the closer they will be to enjoying the game.
I'm not saying that you have to PvP to enjoy EVE. Quite the contrary. Chribba is proof-positive of that. But, short of my ex wife and a couple of my former platoon sergeants, I don't know anyone who actually enjoys being angry.

In conclusion, the less you care about your ship, the more willing you will be to put in harm's way. It's exciting, and excitement is enjoyable. You don't even have to watch yourself explode to know you're there. Try ninja'ing through someone's wormhole, some day... take the Sleeper loot and salvage right out from under the noses of the owners. Even if you never see probes on dscan, the entire on-edge experience is just as exciting as actual PvP.


But if you don't care about the ship, why would probes on scan bother you?

It's the caring about the ship that makes you care about the probes, and then the excitement.

I don't believe people saying it's only pixels, or they didn't want it. Why not apply that to isk, to their sov space? Everything is all pixels on the computer.

Your rational brain knows that the ships will die but your reptile brain doesn't, all it sees is something valuable is going at risk and starts the adrenaline. The adrenaline starts for me when i hit warp to go into the fight, the reptile brain releases adrenaline, heartbeat, breathing etc. You can't escape it, and if you can well, you should become a zen monk or some ****.
Mr Epeen
It's All About Me
#27 - 2013-10-12 21:55:23 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Think about it. If you get mad when your ship blows up, then that means you value your space ships more than the person who doesn't care when they have a loss.


I disagree.

What I think is that you have a deep seated personality disorder. If you can't play a game without getting angry, then perhaps it's time to find a new hobby.

Mr Epeen Cool
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-10-12 22:00:31 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Think about it. If you get mad when your ship blows up, then that means you value your space ships more than the person who doesn't care when they have a loss. That must mean that you have a greater emotional attachment to the game that you take seriously which means you have a greater emotional high when you succeed at the game.

This is all relative too. Say a player who gets mad after he lost a 10 million isk cruiser versus a guy who lost a 16 billion isk faction fit pirate ship. If you just yawn and say no big deal then you are actually cheating yourself out of actually enjoying player created content.

See the risk of loss makes the game enjoyable. When your heart is beating and your palms are sweating then it means you are enjoying the game more than a guy who is just bored with pressing F1. In order to fear loss you must get mad or upset when you have a loss. If you are just apathetic to loss then there is no fear or risk of loss. Its like being bored on a roller coaster ride. You are supposed to get scared to enjoy the ride. If its boring then you aren't getting the most out of the game. If EVE wasn't risky, then it wouldn't be EVE and if you pretend or actually negate the risk by saying you don't care about your ship blowing up then you are simply missing the most enjoyable feature of EVE.

Therby the people who get mad and rage more are enjoying the game more than you.

QED


mm i don't have that. nor do i pvp with this alt. Mmm however with my main i can say that i like to pvp but that's it. There is no thrill so far i notice its just him or me. Or him and his friends against me. And some time some times i win against 2 that's where the kick gets in. Then i think iam a god. 3 min later i got ambush and got killed......
Little Dragon Khamez
Guardians of the Underworld
#29 - 2013-10-12 22:08:54 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
I would say I take EVE pretty seriously. But I also know that every ship from frigates to capitals is expendable and replaceable. When I lose a ship I am not mad because of the loss, but because I did something stupid to deserve it. In some situations (died to alpha before I could react) I don't feel mad at all. Ship losses are normal and expected, better focus on saving the pod and potentially reshipping.

In other MMOs, you spend all your wealth to get the best possible set of armor and weapons for your character. Losing that would mean dozens of hours of time lost. Some people play EVE this way (see 50b mission running boats), and they are understandably mad when the inevitable occurs. For me, ships are just tools, consumables to be used in a fight. I keep a stash of maybe a dozen hulls wherever I'm staging, so whenever I lose a ship I can just pick another one and rejoin the fight. If the stash starts running low, it's time to order more from Jita.


How do you pay for it all? Because when I run out of cash I have to suspend pvp which I find to be very limiting.

Dumbing down of Eve Online will result in it's destruction...
Chopper Rollins
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2013-10-13 00:07:28 UTC
Mr Epeen wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:
Think about it. If you get mad when your ship blows up, then that means you value your space ships more than the person who doesn't care when they have a loss.


I disagree.

What I think is that you have a deep seated personality disorder. If you can't play a game without getting angry, then perhaps it's time to find a new hobby.

Mr Epeen Cool


I've met some people that lead me to agree in general with that.
Lots of westerners like the samurai genre and stories of bushido because it sounds so alien and forceful.
The swordsman Musashi Miyamoto, the story goes, came second in a fencing tournament when he was young. He broke into the winner's house and killed him in his sleep.
There's your bushido right there, no loss is acceptable. Incidentally the whole idea of samaurai was lifted from the Korean Hwa-Rang, who kept peace for a millenium and acted as the original Jedi IRL.
There's tons of Japanese, Korean and Chinese people in love with the whole Euro knights-in-shining-armour genre with it's ideals of chivalry and fairness. Particularly the British ideas of sportsmanship and fair play. Ideas utterly alien to the East.

So what is a personality problem in one person can become a set of values if backed up by a culture. A man in the Trobriand Islands who doesn't at least act like he's schizoid, hearing voices and seeing things, will pay a social price.

Giving a damn takes a toll, people flip over games, do not apply reason to unreasonable creatures.


Goggles. Making me look good. Making you look good.
Baaldor
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#31 - 2013-10-13 00:15:55 UTC
Captain Tardbar wrote:


Therby the people who enjoy watching other people nerd rage in local are enjoying the game more than you.


Fixed that for you.
Captain Tardbar
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-10-13 03:27:31 UTC
Baaldor wrote:
Captain Tardbar wrote:


Therby the people who enjoy watching other people nerd rage in local are enjoying the game more than you.


Fixed that for you.


Touche.

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Kaivar Lancer
Doomheim
#33 - 2013-10-13 03:37:08 UTC
Yah, that's why I prefer to rat or mission in low sec, even though the payout may be lower than lvl 4s in high sec. The danger is fun.
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