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Implement something to get rid of 'Wanted' bounty, at a price.
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Kharush Rova
Artec Industries
#1 - 2013-10-10 23:17:27 UTC
I think new players in EVE-Online are bound to make mistakes - and I feel that perhaps especially new players (on top of having to learn a complex game) - get rather 'punished' badly if they receive a bounty because they weren't sure how shooting works (for example).

I think there should be some way (at a price) - to remove or reduce bounty ISK.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#2 - 2013-10-10 23:56:07 UTC
There is. Kill yourself. (with an alt)
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#3 - 2013-10-11 00:03:41 UTC
Just ignore it...unless you have a **** tone in bounty, then worry. Bounty system is more like the forum dislike button that we don't have than an actual bounty system.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Sobaan Tali
Caldari Quick Reaction Force
#4 - 2013-10-11 00:03:57 UTC
Sobaan Tali wrote:
Just ignore it...unless you have a **** ton in bounty, then worry. Bounty system is more like the forum dislike button that we don't have than an actual bounty system.

"Tomahawks?"

"----in' A, right?"

"Trouble is, those things cost like a million and a half each."

"----, you pay me half that and I'll hump in some c4 and blow the ---- out of it my own damn self."
Kharush Rova
Artec Industries
#5 - 2013-10-11 00:12:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Kharush Rova
Quote:
There is. Kill yourself. (with an alt)


I was thinking about some more 'official' way Lol
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#6 - 2013-10-11 00:16:15 UTC
Kharush Rova wrote:
Quote:
There is. Kill yourself. (with an alt)


I was thinking about some more 'official' way Lol

A bounty is just someone offering money for your head who has placed it into a 'deposit service'. Nothing says that the same deposit service is used by every single person, just that there is access across New Eden to them in general via the bounty offices.
So.... why should you be able to simply pay isk to remove a bounty. Someone has said 'I want to see this person's ships burn, I want them to suffer'.
Doesn't matter why they said it, they should get what they paid for (Or at least the ships burning part).
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#7 - 2013-10-11 00:18:26 UTC
Pay ISK to purchase a space vessel. Undock in said space vessel. Kill yourself.

Bounty removed.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#8 - 2013-10-11 00:18:47 UTC
Kharush Rova wrote:
Quote:
There is. Kill yourself. (with an alt)


I was thinking about some more 'official' way Lol

Have someone else kill you. (Probably with an alt)

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Kharush Rova
Artec Industries
#9 - 2013-10-11 00:21:47 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Kharush Rova wrote:
Quote:
There is. Kill yourself. (with an alt)


I was thinking about some more 'official' way Lol

A bounty is just someone offering money for your head who has placed it into a 'deposit service'. Nothing says that the same deposit service is used by every single person, just that there is access across New Eden to them in general via the bounty offices.
So.... why should you be able to simply pay isk to remove a bounty. Someone has said 'I want to see this person's ships burn, I want them to suffer'.
Doesn't matter why they said it, they should get what they paid for (Or at least the ships burning part).


I agree with you but I think it's particularly frustrating for new players - because what happens (if the bounty is large enough) is that their visibility is increased when, perhaps, they are still in the learning stage of the game.

Some players give out bounties out of sheer boredom.

As a newcomer, I wouldn't particularly like the idea of having a 10mil bounty put on my head because someone was bored, and it would take me insane amount of time (again - as a newcomer) to get rid of it.

In the mean time, corps I might want to join - might be reluctant to do so.

It kills the experience in my opinion.
Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2013-10-11 00:23:23 UTC
For the record, I am not being sarcastic. I am offering you a solution readily available in the game.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#11 - 2013-10-11 00:59:25 UTC
Kharush Rova wrote:
It kills the experience in my opinion.

Change your expectations and your experience won't be so bad.

I'm totally serious about this too. In a game where there are so many mechanics that can be used against you and many more players that "get bored" and can visit great harm upon your pixelated being, having the ability to change your expectations is an incredibly useful thing (dare I say, almost mandatory).


To get to the meat of your idea...

A bounty is pretty much "useless" unless;
1. You have a high bounty (we're talking 100 mil or more).
2. You are flying an expensive ship.

If both conditions are not satisfied then no one will look twice at the person with a bounty (if they care at all). Newbies merely need to be taught this... not coddled and given an "out."

How did you Veterans start?
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-10-11 01:23:20 UTC
How much ISK do you actually lose overall if you use an alt to repeatedly insurance fraud ships until the bounty is gone?
Salpad
Carebears with Attitude
#13 - 2013-10-11 02:16:47 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
How much ISK do you actually lose overall if you use an alt to repeatedly insurance fraud ships until the bounty is gone?


Five times as much as the bounty is?
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-10-11 02:24:15 UTC
Salpad wrote:
Xequecal wrote:
How much ISK do you actually lose overall if you use an alt to repeatedly insurance fraud ships until the bounty is gone?


Five times as much as the bounty is?


....you buy insurance on a ship, then your alt pops it. You get the insurance payout plus 20% bounty payout. This is not 20% of what you paid for the ship.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#15 - 2013-10-11 02:29:33 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
How much ISK do you actually lose overall if you use an alt to repeatedly insurance fraud ships until the bounty is gone?

According to some pirates I heard from shortly after this was implemented, somewhere around 10-15% of the total bounty is what you loose overall. You can be close to break even depending on the ship and market fluctuations. If they raise the bounty pay out to 30% ship value, it's possible to break even already.
STush T
House of Tuachair
#16 - 2013-10-11 02:40:12 UTC
True it doesnt mean anything to have a bounty under 100m, but for those of us with ocd, it would be nice to have a way to pay it off legitimately . Maybe if you pay it off yourself, the isk just goes back to the person who put the bounty out. That way if the person really cares, they can just place the bounty again, but if its for no good reason, the person wont really care or even notice.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#17 - 2013-10-11 03:28:27 UTC
pay 5x the amount of your bounty (the exact amount you would have to lose in isk on kills to get rid of the bounty).

would be a nice isk sink. Suggested it back when the new system was in development but there where not many supporters.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Gigan Amilupar
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-10-11 03:33:47 UTC
Bienator II wrote:
pay 5x the amount of your bounty (the exact amount you would have to lose in isk on kills to get rid of the bounty).

would be a nice isk sink. Suggested it back when the new system was in development but there where not many supporters.



If that was allowed the the bounty system would be even more pointless and people who actually try to "hunt" bounties would be less able to. You can't really create a system around bounty hunting with the ability for the wanted individual to pay off their own bounty; It's completely counter intuitive and it deprives the person who placed the bounty of a fireball (which is really what they want). Placing a bounty isn't about wanting to make the other player lose Isk, it's about wanting to pay someone to catch the other player with their pants down.
Bienator II
madmen of the skies
#19 - 2013-10-11 03:48:07 UTC
Gigan Amilupar wrote:
Bienator II wrote:
pay 5x the amount of your bounty (the exact amount you would have to lose in isk on kills to get rid of the bounty).

would be a nice isk sink. Suggested it back when the new system was in development but there where not many supporters.



If that was allowed the the bounty system would be even more pointless and people who actually try to "hunt" bounties would be less able to. You can't really create a system around bounty hunting with the ability for the wanted individual to pay off their own bounty


you don't pay off the bounty. you pay off 5x of your bounty. The exact ammount you would lose if you would kill yourself again and again in fitted ships with an alt.

how to fix eve: 1) remove ECM 2) rename dampeners to ECM 3) add new anti-drone ewar for caldari 4) give offgrid boosters ongrid combat value
Yolo
Unknown Nation
#20 - 2013-10-11 04:07:22 UTC
What kind of an insurance company pays out insurance on a pilot that was killed due to his bounty, he is freaking WANTED.

- since 2003, bitches
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