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FW or Piracy......that is the question.

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Esturary
Busted Blonde
#1 - 2013-10-10 02:04:35 UTC
Been trying my hand at FW........solo. So far its a big snore. Every plex I scan someone in they run away and Im left playing ring around the rosey. Its only been 24hrs but I cant even get a 1 on 1 let alone a 2 on 1.

I want to give it more time but Im wondering if I should try the piracy aspect......more targets and less restrictions.

As you can see I have been around awhile and have done the null, corp alliance thing. That was just too time consuming and a lot of sitting around waiting on fleets and the like. Just looking for something different in a more casual pvp way on my own terms and time. ISK is not an issue so Im not ISK restricted so thats not why I chose FW to begin with as far as LP goes.

Looking for some advice from the more seasoned FW'ers and Pirates on their views.

Thx.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2013-10-10 02:15:36 UTC
You can do both. I'm -9. Many people in FW are pirate.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!

Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#3 - 2013-10-10 02:41:57 UTC
TBH if isk isn't and issue and you don't have a problem with -ve sec status go pirate.

you can still use the FW plex mechanics for fights and you don't automatically 'blue' 1/3 of your potential targets.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.

Esturary
Busted Blonde
#4 - 2013-10-10 03:23:18 UTC
Hrett wrote:
You can do both. I'm -9. Many people in FW are pirate.


What's the advantage to that verses not being in a milita?
Esturary
Busted Blonde
#5 - 2013-10-10 03:26:50 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
TBH if isk isn't and issue and you don't have a problem with -ve sec status go pirate.

you can still use the FW plex mechanics for fights and you don't automatically 'blue' 1/3 of your potential targets.


So then the only thing FW affords me is no sec hit on enemies and less targets. Sort of seems like a no brainier to just be a pirate unless I'm missing something.
IbanezLaney
The Church of Awesome
#6 - 2013-10-10 04:47:37 UTC  |  Edited by: IbanezLaney
If you are not finding fights you are plexing in the wrong place and/or at the wrong time of day.

Try Innia around DT.
I have it on good advise that Caldari there in that TZ are the 'worst dudes in eve' so you should win easily.


But if you want 1v1's then maybe it is best not to pvp in an MMO.
Shadow Adanza
Gold Crest Salvage
#7 - 2013-10-10 05:45:45 UTC
FW lets you engage on gates without gate guns, piracy makes everyone a target in plexes.

Take from that what you will.

Honestly, it really depends on being in a good corp/alliance to enjoy FW. If you're not looking to do the whole corp thing or whatever, then piracy is probably your best bet.

Are you suggesting coconuts migrate?

Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#8 - 2013-10-10 08:00:48 UTC
Even though this is looked down upon. You can both FW and Pirate.

Go join Minimitar and kill Caldari, Gallente and Amar, just dont shoot Minimitar people if you are wanting to avoid standing loss. You will not lose standing for shooting Gallente, you will lose Federal Defense Union standing if you pod them.
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#9 - 2013-10-10 10:02:36 UTC  |  Edited by: Roime
There's plenty of targets in FW, and a continuous stream of 1vs1s. Don't stress about the stabbed plexing alts running away, CCP will eventually fix LP farming and meanwhile there's no shortage of combat pilots.

(edit: I'm not a seasoned FW pilot, been in it for a month- but 386 kills in first 30 days tells me that Black Rise FW space is a target rich environment)

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Black Widow Maker
Doomheim
#10 - 2013-10-10 12:51:00 UTC  |  Edited by: Black Widow Maker
Sean Parisi wrote:
Even though this is looked down upon. You can both FW and Pirate.

Go join Minimitar and kill Caldari, Gallente and Amar, just dont shoot Minimitar people if you are wanting to avoid standing loss. You will not lose standing for shooting Gallente, you will lose Federal Defense Union standing if you pod them.


Why would you do this? If I see a purple tag I dont shoot it considering we are "SUPPOSED" to be on the same "team" achieving the same goals.....however if I was shot upon that would be a different story.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-10-10 12:53:10 UTC
Esturary wrote:
Hrett wrote:
You can do both. I'm -9. Many people in FW are pirate.


What's the advantage to that verses not being in a milita?

- you get LP for killing targets
- you have access to plexes and missions
(easier ISK for PvP)

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"

Esturary
Busted Blonde
#12 - 2013-10-10 12:56:01 UTC
I guess I have some options both pro and con for both sides of the fence. I guess I will stick it out in FW and give it a week and see what happens.

Veskrashen
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#13 - 2013-10-10 13:00:07 UTC
GalMil gets plenty of fights. Ibanez is right that if you hang around Eha / Innia you'll get plenty of fights. Lots of pirates base out of Kinakka, and it looks like Evoke moved into Vlillirier recently as well.

Other commenters are also correct that you'll have a lot more fun in FW if you get into a decent corp. Genstar, SPDR, Quantum Cats, Justified Chaos and any of the Villore Accords corps will generally be a good home, and you should have no problem getting fights.

FW's advantage over pure pirate is:

- no gate guns against war targets
- easier isk from plexes / missions

Pirate advantage over FW is:

- more targets

We Gallente have a saying: "CCP created the Gallente Militia to train the Fighters..."

Christine Peeveepeeski
Low Sec Concepts
#14 - 2013-10-10 15:10:15 UTC
Veskrashen wrote:
GalMil gets plenty of fights. Ibanez is right that if you hang around Eha / Innia you'll get plenty of fights. Lots of pirates base out of Kinakka, and it looks like Evoke moved into Vlillirier recently as well.

Other commenters are also correct that you'll have a lot more fun in FW if you get into a decent corp. Genstar, SPDR, Quantum Cats, Justified Chaos and any of the Villore Accords corps will generally be a good home, and you should have no problem getting fights.

FW's advantage over pure pirate is:

- no gate guns against war targets
- easier isk from plexes / missions

Pirate advantage over FW is:

- more targets


+ docking anywhere the hell you like when the gf moans....
Vivian Marcos
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2013-10-10 15:22:57 UTC
Well the thing with being a pirate is your are gonna be chasing duders into and out of plexes quite a bit, a lot like FW people do. You can fight other pirates now so the bigger question is, do you see enough of your own militia around that dont use stabs and fly in manageable groups, that if you were a pirate, you could take down.

A lot of gallente players have stabs fitted as well >.>, you tend to not see that because they tend not to run away from their friendlies.

Also, FW makes a lot of isk and has cheap faction ships. If your a comet fan, then just a could of medium plexes and that is 2/3 comets to explode, only at the price of fittings/incursus/chip. Because you tend to get higher standings, you can also buy jump clones easier than everywhere else. You dont gain to many ways of income switching to pirating.

The biggest advantage is the "freedom" of being a pirate and not having your assets locked out >.> But if you join a respectable alliance/corp, you wont have that problem of assets being locked as your staging system will stay low in the contest value.

Hey sky, get back to work! U 2 cips....

Esturary
Busted Blonde
#16 - 2013-10-10 16:46:28 UTC
All good replies. Thanks for all the input.

As mentioned before Im going to give it a week or two and see how it goes. One day is not enough to go on. Even though at this point in my skill point career (100 Mil) where I can fly just about anything Im just gonna stick with the T1 Frigates for the hell of it until I get the hang of things. Then maybe Ill bump up to the T2 once I see how things work.

It's really a nice change of pace not having to worry about what ship to fly and setup when a T1 frigate will work great in this scenario.
Vricrolatious
HIgh Sec Care Bears
Brothers of Tangra
#17 - 2013-10-16 20:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Vricrolatious
Esturary wrote:
All good replies. Thanks for all the input.

As mentioned before Im going to give it a week or two and see how it goes. One day is not enough to go on. Even though at this point in my skill point career (100 Mil) where I can fly just about anything Im just gonna stick with the T1 Frigates for the hell of it until I get the hang of things. Then maybe Ill bump up to the T2 once I see how things work.

It's really a nice change of pace not having to worry about what ship to fly and setup when a T1 frigate will work great in this scenario.


I recently left my nullsec corp / alliance to start doing FW with a secondary objective of piracy. I get a decent amount of targets that are fair game anywhere and I can still shoot neutrals as well. I look at it as a win win as far as casual PvP goes. I'm terrible at PvP to begin with, but at least going this route I can use T1 frigates and cruisers and not worry about losing massive amounts of isk AND politics are not an issue anymore, which makes the pool of neutrals much better for someone that's spent the last couple years deep in nullsec.

But with anything in EVE, it comes down to what you find fun.

Either way, good hunting.

WIDot, Best Dot, Even Sans Dot! -Vric

Sean Parisi
Blackrise Vanguard
#18 - 2013-10-16 22:06:45 UTC
Black Widow Maker wrote:
Sean Parisi wrote:
Even though this is looked down upon. You can both FW and Pirate.

Go join Minimitar and kill Caldari, Gallente and Amar, just dont shoot Minimitar people if you are wanting to avoid standing loss. You will not lose standing for shooting Gallente, you will lose Federal Defense Union standing if you pod them.


Why would you do this? If I see a purple tag I dont shoot it considering we are "SUPPOSED" to be on the same "team" achieving the same goals.....however if I was shot upon that would be a different story.


Bad question. I don't approve it it myself. But OP is asking for ways to do things, I provided an answer.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#19 - 2013-10-16 23:49:06 UTC
I can go into an system belonging to the opposing militia, open a plex, and wait. I will get a fight sooner or later from WT or pirates. The more important the system the faster I'll get a fight. FW also offers at the least the equivalent of a ship replacement program.

On the other side of the coin no one really gives a damn if a pirate opens a plex. You have to hunt for targets more as well as find alternate methods of income generation.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#20 - 2013-10-16 23:56:43 UTC
Being a pirate = Never having gateguns on your side and being a viable target for everyone no matter what they are in.

Pretty sure being a pirate is manmode.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

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