Ships & Modules

omg

I know you have no clue about balance.

So what is the tradeoff between gall and matar ? less speed , weapon use cap , less range , fixed dmg types, slower lock hmm for like 5% dps advantage , that is not a tradeoff but complet disadvantage without any real compensation
Minmatar style isnt superior ?? yeah sure dictacting range in small fleets is the most important thing , and in large fleets breaking up enemy fleet remote reps with huge alpha is also one of the best thing

yeah gallente is less dependant on manuvering than matar , oh and has more resistance too just look at deimos vs vaga we can completly see you are right.... or not

The problem is not matar is the speed race , the problem is it has as much dmg or more than gallente and even has as much buffer tank too.

lulz troll op

1/10 for originality

10/10 for a successfully troll of retards

Wait for Hybrid buff and un-nerf misiles...How about we buff instead of nerfing everthing?

Yay, comparing Minmatar (a working race) to Gallente (a not working race) and claiming that Minmatar is overpowered. You could make the same comparison to Amarr and claim that Amarr is overpowered. Good job slick. -_-

-Liang

Your reading comprehension, as always, is poor. Here's the short form:
- I was not against a projectile boost. I was very much in favor of having one. Once the main discussion thread went up, I found it too "noisy" and bowed out quickly. I had very little further interaction with it, though I did provide some graphs for Kaileen Starsong who was trying to prove that the projectile boosts were going too far towards the end.
- Projectiles and lasers are reasonably well balanced against each other, with perhaps a slight edge towards projectiles.
- Hybrids (both blasters and rails) are broken, and using them in any case to nerf another system is a fundamentally flawed concept.
- There are good and bad projectile ships, as well as good/bad laser ships. Comparing bad laser ships with good projectile ships is kinda meaningless and serves more to illustrate how a particular ship sucks (hi Omen).
- Its very dangerous to combine nerfs to one system and buffs to a competing system in the same patch. We should wait and see where Hybrids end up before making a case that projectiles need nerfed.

While the future is still pretty hazy, I think we're going to eventually see a Minmatar/projectile nerf. I just want it to be for the right reasons and actually address the heart of the matter.

-Liang

"
Balance is best achieved by small incremental changes and careful measuring of the effects in all areas. "

oh yes then the next patch should give 0,05% more tracking and see if something will change for half year
so maybe in year 40k we will have a balanced game....

no balance should be made by design and assumptions not small little steps , you should try to hit the best spot with the fist shot,
you will see if it miss by a long shot then recalibrate , do this until it you are fine with the result
these babysteps are only good for liang and bunch of other matarboys who still can use their imba ships for another half year
and ofcourse lazy ccp tallest+team , it doesnt take much manpower to come op with something meaningfull especially with the help of community , if they cant that says they are uncapable of it should be fired and hire new staff

Not true , community never asked for such a huge buff.
Still CCP stopped checking out what the change did, and stopped balanced there, instead of bring out another one to compensate it or bring those ships left in the dust to usefull lvl.

They say they will constantly balance and monitor balance. Yeah they had 3 years to start fix something ...
At least CCP should make balance changes in every 1-2months.

Did you notice they used Grimpak's idea on the Tornado? That's probably their future direction.

Falloff was changed from 10% per level to 5% per level. The Grimpak Idea is to do this to all ships that currently have the falloff bonus as they are the worst offenders.

Bad idea, obviously result of EFT warrioring. The only larger ships with 10% falloff bonus are expensive boats like Mach, Vargur and Sleipnir. 10% falloff bonus from small boats like Wolf doesn't make it as op due to the speed in that class.

Vargur is bad for pvp. Machs and Sleipnir are too expensive to field en mass. It's the cheap non-10% falloff bonused boats, like canes and rifters, seen in every corner of Eve, that made Winmatar what it is.

A real fix would be to nerf Minmatar speed so that it's possible for catch them in a blasterboat.