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[PIE Inc] Regarding those who question the Empress

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Lyn Farel
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#81 - 2013-10-09 19:11:56 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Anabella Rella wrote:

So advocating an unorthodox idea within the Empire is viewed the same as committing a violent crime against persons? Interesting.


This is because unorthodox beliefs in the Empire have the tendency to cause quite a lot of violent crime. Heretical cults (the Sani Sabik), religious terrorism (The Tetrimon), revolutions (any number of insurrections based on doctrine differences), and in this case a potential uprising against the Empress. Ideas are like fire; useful when controlled and directed correctly, but dangerous when let loose upon kindling.


Isn't that obsession about the Knighthood a little far beyond what it should be ? Do you consider it was a mistake, or even a sin for which you have to atone in some way ?
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#82 - 2013-10-09 19:31:11 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
First your focus on your opinion of the meaning of my name is rather childish, especially from someone with a face covered by tribal tattoos.

That's a complete non-sequitur. My facial decorations have absolutely nothing conceivable to do with my opinion of your chosen appelation, short of reliance on insane troll logic. Secondly, for the record, they aren't "tribal" tattoos. This is a very common Gallentean fighter pilot's design - not that them being tribal tattoos would somehow make your point less of a non-sequitur.

Slaver Filth wrote:
Names or as I have explained titles or call signs mean different things to different people, trying to form the universe to our individual definition takes an arrogance that surpasses mine.

"Filth" has a universally negative connotation whatever language you choose to say it in. This isn't me trying to "form the universe to my individual definition" - this is objective fact. That's what the word means. Applying a negative adjective such as "filth" to yourself reeks (if you'll pardon the pun) of trying to be edgy.

Slaver Filth wrote:
"Yeah well you sound like a troll cause I do not agree with you" that so many in these forums retreat to when they run out of meaningful things to say.

I don't think you're a troll because I disagree with you; although, make no mistake, I disagree with you on pretty much everything you say. To name a few people, I disagree with Rodj Blake, Stitcher and Andrea Okazon over a great many things, but I don't think they're trolls. I won't lie that there are certain specific opinions and beliefs you hold that contribute towards my belief that you're a troll, but mostly, it's not what you claim to believe, it's the way in which you claim to believe it.

Note that whether or not I believe you genuinely hold what you say to be true is pretty much immaterial - it is by no means impossible to troll while still unironically professing a belief. A lot of people (Amarrians chief among them) are perfectly capable of being complete and utter trolls about something they honestly believe.

Slaver Filth wrote:
Yes I know I have a record of colorful statements that dance up to and perhaps beyond the line of what you might consider good taste. I am unapologetically correct, a True Amarr man, with no need to be nice to you, the not yet conquered New Eden residents.

Almost everyone in the history of New Eden has believed themselves to be unaplogetically correct. The vast majority were neither.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#83 - 2013-10-09 19:42:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Slaver Filth
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
First your focus on your opinion of the meaning of my name is rather childish, especially from someone with a face covered by tribal tattoos.

That's a complete non-sequitur. My facial decorations have absolutely nothing conceivable to do with my opinion of your chosen appelation, short of reliance on insane troll logic. Secondly, for the record, they aren't "tribal" tattoos. This is a very common Gallentean fighter pilot's design - not that them being tribal tattoos would somehow make your point less of a non-sequitur.

Slaver Filth wrote:
Names or as I have explained titles or call signs mean different things to different people, trying to form the universe to our individual definition takes an arrogance that surpasses mine.

"Filth" has a universally negative connotation whatever language you choose to say it in. This isn't me trying to "form the universe to my individual definition" - this is objective fact. That's what the word means. Applying a negative adjective such as "filth" to yourself reeks (if you'll pardon the pun) of trying to be edgy.

Slaver Filth wrote:
"Yeah well you sound like a troll cause I do not agree with you" that so many in these forums retreat to when they run out of meaningful things to say.

I don't think you're a troll because I disagree with you; although, make no mistake, I disagree with you on pretty much everything you say. To name a few people, I disagree with Rodj Blake, Stitcher and Andrea Okazon over a great many things, but I don't think they're trolls. I won't lie that there are certain specific opinions and beliefs you hold that contribute towards my belief that you're a troll, but mostly, it's not what you claim to believe, it's the way in which you claim to believe it.

Note that whether or not I believe you genuinely hold what you say to be true is pretty much immaterial - it is by no means impossible to troll while still unironically professing a belief. A lot of people (Amarrians chief among them) are perfectly capable of being complete and utter trolls about something they honestly believe.

Slaver Filth wrote:
Yes I know I have a record of colorful statements that dance up to and perhaps beyond the line of what you might consider good taste. I am unapologetically correct, a True Amarr man, with no need to be nice to you, the not yet conquered New Eden residents.

Almost everyone in the history of New Eden has believed themselves to be unaplogetically correct. The vast majority were neither.

You think this, you think that, you are no standard.

You find your pilot tattoos appropriate I find them primitive. You think you are correct, so you get to label me a troll. You get so close to making a logical argument but then don't exercise the discipline to apply it to yourself.

You said one thing that rings of truth,whether or not I believe you genuinely hold what you say to be true is pretty much immaterial, since we both agree on this perhaps we can both agree you'll stop bringing it up.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#84 - 2013-10-09 20:06:37 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
You think this, you think that, you are no standard.

You find your pilot tattoos appropriate I find them primitive. You think you are correct, so you get to label me a troll. You get so close to making a logical argument but then don't exercise the discipline to apply it to yourself.

I don't go around claiming to be a member of a theological entity that hasn't existed for more than a thousand years, purpoting to be a member of a family that's had wormhole holdings for "hundreds" of years despite them only have been open for the better part of four, calling myself "Slaver Filth," or extensively quoting scripture that doesn't actually exist in Amarrian canon. I don't need to defend the claims about myself because they're not self-evidently preposterous. Every time you are called on your demonstrably untrue claims, you respond either with insults or claims even more preposterous.

Like certain other members of this forum you have constructed your entire public persona on an extensive tower of lies, but unlike certain other members of this forum your tower of lies isn't structurally sound enough to stand up to even the most gentle examination.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#85 - 2013-10-09 20:34:22 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
I'm convinced the character of "Slaver Filth" is rather someone looking to bring a terrible reality of the extreme (typically considered evil or corrupt) natures of a certain faction to light.

I respect him for that.

I also do not in slightest consider him truly Amarrian and believe he has an agenda that exists outside of their realm completely.


Again, as I mentioned in my first post here:

PIE, why even waste your time on garbage?

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Vlad Cetes
Original Sinners
Pandemic Legion
#86 - 2013-10-09 21:43:50 UTC
Factual statement: Jamyl Sarum is a clone
Makkal Hanaya
Revenent Defence Corperation
#87 - 2013-10-09 23:01:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Makkal Hanaya
King Khanid II is on the Privy Council and has recognized Jamyl I as the rightful ruler of the Amarr Empire. I cannot imagine a loyal citizen of the Kingdom suggesting our King is in the wrong.

The situation with the Theology Council is a bit stickier. It is not only a religious institution, but a major part of the Empire's government, specifically the judicial system and law enforcement. I follow Imperial law while in the Amarr Empire, but while within the Kingdom, I only acknowledge and submit to its government.

As such, I recognize that the Theology Council is empowered by God and are the just arbitrators of his will in the Empire, but do not recognize it as having any inherent authority over me or any other citizen of the Kingdom.

Render unto Khanid the things which are Khanid's; and unto God the things that are God's.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#88 - 2013-10-09 23:15:12 UTC
Ixiris, you are forgetting the first rule about Trolls, aren't you?

Take it from someone who enjoys the spotlight; even negative attention is still attention.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#89 - 2013-10-09 23:20:45 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Ixiris, you are forgetting the first rule about Trolls, aren't you?

Take it from someone who enjoys the spotlight; even negative attention is still attention.


I cannot express my liking enough of Silas's statement.

As said, again; PIE, they're garbage.

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Slave A00073078
Northern Raven Reconnaissance Syndicate
#90 - 2013-10-10 03:43:22 UTC
Only thing I question is whether or not hers are real cause I think she decided to expand when she got cloned.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#91 - 2013-10-10 04:10:12 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:


PIE, why even waste your time on garbage?


I must point out that we seem to have wasted far more of Andreus' time than our own when dealing with Mr. Filth.

As I stated earlier, the point of this effort is not really aimed at these rather pathetic individuals.

Rather, the goal is to prevent the further spread of such Heretical ideas by making it absolutely clear that it is not acceptable for any Amarrians to challenge the Empress by word or deed. There should be no illusion that proper service to Amarr can be accomplished without absolute obedience to those who have divinely granted authority.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#92 - 2013-10-10 07:12:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Isis Dea
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:


PIE, why even waste your time on garbage?


I must point out that we seem to have wasted far more of Andreus' time than our own when dealing with Mr. Filth.

As I stated earlier, the point of this effort is not really aimed at these rather pathetic individuals.

Rather, the goal is to prevent the further spread of such Heretical ideas by making it absolutely clear that it is not acceptable for any Amarrians to challenge the Empress by word or deed. There should be no illusion that proper service to Amarr can be accomplished without absolute obedience to those who have divinely granted authority.


How about, you let God do what might be argued their own nature will bring upon them, and let them meet their own fall at the hands of some criminal they might additionally slander within their ways.

And instead, you stop wasting the time and honor of the faithful in ventures fitting for trash.

The Empress, God, and His will, are governed by powers so far greater than even the immortal's. Who are we to even quote them? Who are we to enforce them?

Let a zealous drug dealer paint the wall with Slaver Filth's blood, as said above, be the Lord's messenger rather a paladin of Her majesty's finest.

Garbage for garbage. You have more important things to do.






P.S. I do not dare to claim the faith, I happened to be at one point in time the property of a Bishop. I've learned only a thing or two.

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#93 - 2013-10-10 07:26:47 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
I must point out that we seem to have wasted far more of Andreus' time than our own when dealing with Mr. Filth.

I'm not doing this on your behalf - I'm doing it because I have a general distaste for people claiming idiotic things. Besides, any true Amarrian would be ashamed of being so lazy as to require a heathen to rebuke heretics for them.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#94 - 2013-10-10 07:30:28 UTC
Quite predictable, attack the messenger if you don't like the truth of his message, pretend to be a loyal citizen of the empire, but ignore our traditions and history.

One day the truth will be undeniable to even the thickest skulls here on the IGS. Then you and all the rabble that goes along to get along will be in the dust bin of history with the fools still believing in long eared holiday rodents bringing them fertility festival baskets of sweets once a year in the spring.

One good thing about being a True Amarr man is you learn it is far better to be right, then to be popular.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#95 - 2013-10-10 07:35:28 UTC
Isis Dea wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Isis Dea wrote:


PIE, why even waste your time on garbage?


I must point out that we seem to have wasted far more of Andreus' time than our own when dealing with Mr. Filth.

As I stated earlier, the point of this effort is not really aimed at these rather pathetic individuals.

Rather, the goal is to prevent the further spread of such Heretical ideas by making it absolutely clear that it is not acceptable for any Amarrians to challenge the Empress by word or deed. There should be no illusion that proper service to Amarr can be accomplished without absolute obedience to those who have divinely granted authority.


How about, you let God do what might be argued their own nature will bring upon them, and let them meet their own fall at the hands of some criminal they might additionally slander within their ways.

And instead, you stop wasting the time and honor of the faithful in ventures fitting for trash.

The Empress, God, and His will, are governed by powers so far greater than even the immortal's. Who are we to even quote them? Who are we to enforce them?

Let a zealous drug dealer paint the wall with Slaver Filth's blood, as said above, be the Lord's messenger rather a paladin of Her majesty's finest.

Garbage for garbage. You have more important things to do.






P.S. I do not dare to claim the faith, I happened to be at one point in time the property of a Bishop. I've learned only a thing or two.
I would happily make you the property of one of my slavers hounds named bishop, he would dine on you daily and then I'd have you regenerated so you could enjoy his fangs and claws again and again. I'd never let you die, just a daily feeding session so you'd know your place.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Slaver Filth
Council of Apostles
#96 - 2013-10-10 07:53:25 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Slaver Filth wrote:
You think this, you think that, you are no standard.

You find your pilot tattoos appropriate I find them primitive. You think you are correct, so you get to label me a troll. You get so close to making a logical argument but then don't exercise the discipline to apply it to yourself.

I don't go around claiming to be a member of a theological entity that hasn't existed for more than a thousand years, purpoting to be a member of a family that's had wormhole holdings for "hundreds" of years despite them only have been open for the better part of four, calling myself "Slaver Filth," or extensively quoting scripture that doesn't actually exist in Amarrian canon. I don't need to defend the claims about myself because they're not self-evidently preposterous. Every time you are called on your demonstrably untrue claims, you respond either with insults or claims even more preposterous.

Like certain other members of this forum you have constructed your entire public persona on an extensive tower of lies, but unlike certain other members of this forum your tower of lies isn't structurally sound enough to stand up to even the most gentle examination.
The interesting thing is when fools who do not have their own facts straight try to sound learned when they are ignorant beyond belief. Any child with a Neo-Com can access records of the activities of the Council of Apostles less then a thousand years ago, but I imagine in your special little world only what you think and what you know counts. The fact that the order fled to The Khanid Kingdom and never went out of existence probably is just a fabrication of mine, because you don't say it happened, and you are the standard the all wise capsuleer troll policemen of the IGS. I am in awe in the presence of how correct you are.

The EVE gate was a wormhole and I daresay that existed more then four years ago. But wise powerful capsuleer captain I am sure you know every inch/centimeter of New Eden and no wormholes existed because no one officially reported exploring them. Because the Empires are so quick to share information with each other right?

You admit to being a nobody in both your corp and your alliance so you come here to shoot off your mouth and feel like a big shot, you are boring little pre-slave you are dismissed. Return when you have your facts straight.

"Child of Amarr seek not warmth in our cold hearts, we are the old serpent of New Eden and you must do your part, revel in our viciousness, we rule by venom and our strike is merciless, "
Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#97 - 2013-10-10 08:04:07 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:


One good thing about being a True Amarr man is you learn it is far better to be right, then to be popular.


Unfortunately for you, you're neither.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#98 - 2013-10-10 08:07:28 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
I would happily make you the property of one of my slavers hounds named bishop, he would dine on you daily and then I'd have you regenerated so you could enjoy his fangs and claws again and again. I'd never let you die, just a daily feeding session so you'd know your place.


What if I told you I would happily be a good little girl desiring to serve and earn a beautifully golden-laced collar with your family's crest etched into it, being quite the pleasure slave to you and your hounds, if you could simply hold the vitoc?

But surely I don't imagine a man as esteemed as you and as traditional would care to take such a risk.

And certainly not with a girl who has a fixation for biting. Twisted

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Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#99 - 2013-10-10 08:18:22 UTC
Slaver Filth wrote:
The interesting thing is when fools who do not have their own facts straight try to sound learned when they are ignorant beyond belief. Any child with a Neo-Com can access records of the activities of the Council of Apostles less then a thousand years ago

The Order of St. Tetrimon is not the Council of Apostles. Even its surviving members would not make that claim. They merely preserved relics of the Council after the Moral Reforms. Even the article you link (a link, incidentally, that falsely declares "Council of Apostles" while actually leading to the Order's encyclopedia page) says absolutely nothing about the Order being the Council of Apostles.

Slaver Filth wrote:
The fact that the order fled to The Khanid Kingdom and never went out of existence probably is just a fabrication of mine

No, unlike pretty much everything else you say, the Order fleeing to the Khanid Kingdom to escape Imperial persecution is entirely correct. It's a demonstrable matter of historical fact. This sets it apart from pretty much everything else you claim.

Slaver Filth wrote:
The EVE gate was a wormhole and I daresay that existed more then four years ago. But wise powerful capsuleer captain I am sure you know every inch/centimeter of New Eden and no wormholes existed because no one officially reported exploring them. Because the Empires are so quick to share information with each other right?

The EVE gate is most certainly a wormhole of some description, but it's not stable - even getting within an AU of it can tear your ship to pieces. As for even metastable natural wormholes (i.e. wormholes that remain traversable over timescales exceeding a picosecond) existing anywhere in the cluster prior to the Seylinn Incident, particularly ones that lead to Sleeper space like you claimed, the fabric of space simply didn't allow it. You were claiming to have been in Sleeper space centuries before it was even possible for someone in New Eden's current empires to have known about it, let alone travelled there.

Slaver Filth wrote:
You admit to being a nobody in both your corp and your alliance

I said I have no official position, and that's actually through my own chosing, since I've been offered the position of director twice. But I wouldn't expect you to understand such a distinction - might be a little too straightforward for you.

Slaver Filth wrote:
boring little pre-slave you are dismissed.

One of the most amusing things about many Amarrians is that they believe they have the power to command others - you don't, and it makes you look like an idiot when you try. As for "pre-slave," Amarrian capsuleers have made statements towards the effect of enslaving other capsuleers they don't like, and it's never happened yet. Even other Amarrians (or at least, those with a lick of sense) have long abandoned the idea of enslaving capsuleers - it's neither practical nor even feasible.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Nicoletta Mithra
Societas Imperialis Sceptri Coronaeque
Khimi Harar
#100 - 2013-10-10 08:58:11 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
One of the most amusing things about many Amarrians is that they believe they have the power to command others - you don't, and it makes you look like an idiot when you try. As for "pre-slave," Amarrian capsuleers have made statements towards the effect of enslaving other capsuleers they don't like, and it's never happened yet. Even other Amarrians (or at least, those with a lick of sense) have long abandoned the idea of enslaving capsuleers - it's neither practical nor even feasible.

Cpt. Ixiris,

while I - shockingly - find myself agreeing with you largely, there is one Point I decidedly disagree with you: That heretic you speak with is most certainly not Amarr in any meaningful way.

Regards,
N. Mithra