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[PIE Inc] Regarding those who question the Empress

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Anslo
Scope Works
#21 - 2013-10-08 20:47:25 UTC
Hey, I asked a question. Whatever. Jump on me more.

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Andrea Okazon
Laurentson INC
#22 - 2013-10-08 21:30:44 UTC
On the off chance that this is more than just the usual empty posturing we capsuleers are so well-known for, I'd like to take this opportunity to remind those targeted for their religious beliefs that we don't do things like that over here in the Fed. As long as you're willing to live with those who don't believe as you do, and refrain from violence against them, you can believe anything you darn well please.

We would be delighted to have you visit until the heat clears up. It usually does, inquisitors always get distracted by some new horror.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#23 - 2013-10-08 21:39:51 UTC
Amann Karris wrote:
Which means they are taking it upon themselves to act as judge, jury, and if need be executioner, while also letting the Empire know what's going on.
No, by all means, good Lord Karris, just judge and jury…

Amann Karris wrote:
Alerting the MIO is secondary. They are treating individuals as traitors without even allowing those of Holder status their right to honorable duel.
What more needs to be said!

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
As always, Ishuk-Raata baseline personnel within Imperial borders are well informed they fall under Imperial jurisdiction and are responsible for learning and upholding Imperial laws, including those relevant to this discussion.
Admiral Oniseki,

you might also inform your personnel traveling through or operating in Royal space or territories that we don’t give a frog. Fortunately, the Kingdom and the Empire remain two separate realms, whatever preposterous poppycock all those little bags of vipers might otherwise claim…

Best,
Odelya d’Hanguest
Samira Kernher
Cail Avetatu
#24 - 2013-10-08 21:47:41 UTC
I pray that Blessed Amarr can be purged of these heretical beliefs.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#25 - 2013-10-08 21:52:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Katrina Oniseki
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:

Katrina Oniseki wrote:
As always, Ishuk-Raata baseline personnel within Imperial borders are well informed they fall under Imperial jurisdiction and are responsible for learning and upholding Imperial laws, including those relevant to this discussion.
Admiral Oniseki,

you might also inform your personnel traveling through or operating in Royal space or territories that we don’t give a frog. Fortunately, the Kingdom and the Empire remain two separate realms, whatever preposterous poppycock all those little bags of vipers might otherwise claim…

Best,
Odelya d’Hanguest


I am not entirely sure what "giving a frog" means, I'll assume it is either a euphemism or translation error for something vulgar. That said, our personnel are also duly informed the very same regarding Kingdom law when they operate there. It's the same situation for any of our workers who operate outside the State.

I did not think I was making any offensive remark about the Kingdom or yourself, despite the Lord Admiral's mention of your name. I merely meant to state that Ishuk-Raata will observe and attempt to respect PIE's announcement, as we would hope they would respect our own announcements regarding our efforts to uphold State laws.

Katrina Oniseki
Valerie Valate
Church of The Crimson Saviour
#26 - 2013-10-08 21:56:42 UTC
I am reminded of that old joke.

Two True Amarr enter a room. They both immediately denounce the other as a heretic.

Doctor V. Valate, Professor of Archaeology at Kaztropolis Imperial University.
Desiderya
Blue Canary
Watch This
#27 - 2013-10-08 22:15:02 UTC
Anslo wrote:
Hey, I asked a question. Whatever. Jump on me more.

Did you have a tough day?

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise.
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#28 - 2013-10-08 22:15:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Odelya d'Hanguest
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

I am not entirely sure what "giving a frog" means, I'll assume it is either a euphemism or translation error for something vulgar. That said, our personnel are also duly informed the very same regarding Kingdom law when they operate there. It's the same situation for any of our workers who operate outside the State.

I did not think I was making any offensive remark about the Kingdom or yourself, despite the Lord Admiral's mention of your name. I merely meant to state that Ishuk-Raata will observe and attempt to respect PIE's announcement, as we would hope they would respect our own announcements regarding our efforts to uphold State laws.
Admiral Oniseki,

no doubt, you didn’t make a single offensive remark towards the Kingdom or myself. Ishuk-Raata’s stance on this matter and the clear division between Kingdom and Empire law is exemplary.

I deemed it necessary, however, to inform Admiral Nomarya of the Royal Khanid Navy about Lok'ri’s shockingly outrageous impertinence towards a holder of the Kingdom, which not only insults the Kingdom, but crosses every commonsensical line of jurisdiction—which he doesn’t even possess in this case.

Odelya d’Hanguest

Samira Kernher wrote:
I pray that Blessed Amarr can be purged of these heretical beliefs.
Pray, little dove, and also you might be freed.
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#29 - 2013-10-08 22:29:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
Glad to see we are taking a stand on this, Admiral. Even if those like Ms. d'Hanguest are not direct subjects of the Empress they should at very least show some respect. I expect the MIO to be no more than mildly bemused by their opinons, but I am always for telling people to mind their manners.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Odelya d'Hanguest
Order of St. Severian
#30 - 2013-10-08 22:39:47 UTC
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Glad to see we are taking a stand on this, Admiral. Even if those like Ms. d'Hanguest are not direct subjects of the Empress they should at very least show some respect. I expect the MIO to be no more than mildly bemused by their opinons, but I am always for telling people to mind their manners.
So now it is the place of failed court poets to judge the nobles? Yah, a party of foolish jesters you truly are. And you dare to talk about “understanding following proper procedure.” Preposterous. Preposterous. Preposterous!
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#31 - 2013-10-08 22:50:18 UTC
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:

I deemed it necessary, however, to inform Admiral Nomarya of the Royal Khanid Navy about Lok'ri’s shockingly outrageous impertinence towards a holder of the Kingdom, which not only insults the Kingdom, but crosses every commonsensical line of jurisdiction—which he doesn’t even possess in this case.


I made sure to pass along a few copies of your last skin flick to Commodore Nomarya along with your complaints.

Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
shockingly outrageous


Sen-Sational!




Sabik now, Sabik forever
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#32 - 2013-10-08 22:50:29 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
The war against Shakor takes priority over treacherous words and beliefs.



This does not sound like you.



There's an old saying you might remember, to the effect of "suffer not a single heretic, though a whole world may burn as a result."


There was a time not so many years ago, when True Amarr brother and sister capsuleers would settle this sort of thing immediately, political consequences be damned.



You remember.




Your transparently self-serving comment has been noted. Thank you for encouraging infighting.

PIE works with and upholds established authorities and institutions within the Empire, just as any Imperial citizen should. No need for anarchic acts.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Aldrith Shutaq
Atash e Sarum Vanguard
#33 - 2013-10-08 22:50:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Aldrith Shutaq
Odelya d'Hanguest wrote:
Aldrith Shutaq wrote:
Glad to see we are taking a stand on this, Admiral. Even if those like Ms. d'Hanguest are not direct subjects of the Empress they should at very least show some respect. I expect the MIO to be no more than mildly bemused by their opinons, but I am always for telling people to mind their manners.
So now it is the place of failed court poets to judge the nobles? Yah, a party of foolish jesters you truly are. And you dare to talk about “understanding following proper procedure.” Preposterous. Preposterous. Preposterous!


My apologies if I have offended you, my lady. I still respect the Kingdom and those who hold titles within it immensely, but I am also not afraid to tell you in this case that it is in your best interests to keep the discourse between yourself and those of the Empire civil.

As you are a Holder you are a representative of your nation, just as Lord-Admiral Lok'ri is a representative of ours. We are allies and as such should respect one another enough that things like this are never an issue. I know that I am a mere commoner and that I perhaps do not know enough about matters of sovereignty and disputed titles to comment, but I do believe this much is obvious. I humbly suggest you retract your previous statements and apologize for any offence given so that we might put this affair behind us and get back to the proper business of keeping the faithful out of harms way in the current war.

Aldrith Ter'neth Shutaq Newelle

Fleet Captain of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore of the 24th Imperial Crusade

Lord Consort of Lady Mitara Newelle, Champion of House Sarum and Holder of Damnidios Para'nashu
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#34 - 2013-10-08 22:54:23 UTC
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:
[quote=Silas Vitalia]


Your transparently self-serving comment has been noted. Thank you for encouraging infighting.

PIE works with and upholds established authorities and institutions within the Empire, just as any Imperial citizen should. No need for anarchic acts.



Oh don't worry this won't effect my upcoming evisceration of her and subsequent gift to your organization.

Sabik now, Sabik forever
Zelarrs Elkoth
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#35 - 2013-10-08 23:34:40 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Zelarrs Elkoth wrote:
[quote=Silas Vitalia]


Your transparently self-serving comment has been noted. Thank you for encouraging infighting.

PIE works with and upholds established authorities and institutions within the Empire, just as any Imperial citizen should. No need for anarchic acts.



Oh don't worry this won't effect my upcoming evisceration of her and subsequent gift to your organization.


I do not worry as your opinions are irrelevant, admitted heretic. And "gifts" unwelcome.

Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris Captain, Head of Diplomacy, Recruiting Officer Contact on channel: "PIE Public" "I walk the razor's edge of embracing the future while protecting what we value of the past."
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#36 - 2013-10-09 00:16:36 UTC
There is a sidenote I would wish to make, and that has to do with direct questions of authority (denying that someone is your leader, chief executive, commander in chief, or whatever title has been bestowed upon him/her, or claiming their holding of the title is illegitimate) vs. questions of policy. The former, I agree, are troublesome no matter how a government or other such body is structured, with a few rare exceptions related to fitness to rule, of which Empress Sarum is not one of them (and for her sake, I do not wish such a mental breakdown upon her). The latter, though, are a normal and healthy part of a functioning governance apparatus. To conflate the former and the latter is quite harmful, considering that while she may have all the enlightenment the title of Empress brings, Jamyl I Sarum is still as capable of goofing something up as you or I, Lord Lok'Ri.


In short: "the Empress sucks" is one thing, "the Empress made a bad call there because of such-and-such reason" is a whole another story. Don't mix the two up, and I think we'll all be better off for it.
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#37 - 2013-10-09 01:05:15 UTC
Tarunik Raqalth'Qui wrote:
There is a sidenote I would wish to make, and that has to do with direct questions of authority (denying that someone is your leader, chief executive, commander in chief, or whatever title has been bestowed upon him/her, or claiming their holding of the title is illegitimate) vs. questions of policy. The former, I agree, are troublesome no matter how a government or other such body is structured, with a few rare exceptions related to fitness to rule, of which Empress Sarum is not one of them (and for her sake, I do not wish such a mental breakdown upon her). The latter, though, are a normal and healthy part of a functioning governance apparatus. To conflate the former and the latter is quite harmful, considering that while she may have all the enlightenment the title of Empress brings, Jamyl I Sarum is still as capable of goofing something up as you or I, Lord Lok'Ri.


In short: "the Empress sucks" is one thing, "the Empress made a bad call there because of such-and-such reason" is a whole another story. Don't mix the two up, and I think we'll all be better off for it.


That you can say this just demonstrates that you know nothing about the unique position of the Empress as the viceroy of God. There are only a very select few who have the authority to question the Empress, and none of them frequent these forums.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Gaven Lok'ri
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#38 - 2013-10-09 01:46:44 UTC
Amann Karris wrote:
They are treating individuals as traitors without even allowing those of Holder status their right to honorable duel.



Those who step so far above their station as to question the Empress have no honor, and therefore have forfeited any courtesy that would otherwise be due to them.

Holders have a special responsibility to uphold the Amarrian way of life and to provide an example of proper and decorous behavior for all who are of lower status. Publicly questioning the Empresses status is a direct violation of that responsibility and a disgrace to the office of Holder.

Admiral of the Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris

Divine Commodore 24th Imperial Crusade

Holder. Vassal of the Emperor Family
Amann Karris
Doomheim
#39 - 2013-10-09 02:24:32 UTC
Gaven Lok'ri wrote:
Holders have a special responsibility to uphold the Amarrian way of life and to provide an example of proper and decorous behavior for all who are of lower status. Publicly questioning the Empresses status is a direct violation of that responsibility and a disgrace to the office of Holder.

Then let her address my disgrace openly. Neither she nor the Ministry of Internal Order need help in finding evidence of my alleged treason. What will you do to stop my speaking out against her?

Have I spoken against the Empress? Yes. On multiple occasions. I do not accept her place as leader on the grounds that Jamyl Sarum died an honorable death during the Trials. The individual claiming to be Jamyl Sarum is either a clone or an impostor. As such, I challenge her claim to the throne. I see no reason why the Privy Council could not challenge her themselves on this point, and the only reason I can see for them to not do this is fear of upsetting the precarious order of the Empire.

I believe the Empire is stronger than that.

These are my beliefs. I was content with quietly making observations when I had the opportunity, but now you have given me a reason to vent my continued frustration. For that, I thank you.

I do wonder though. What do you expect to accomplish from this public theater? As your allies have diplomatically put it, this is an internal matter of the Empire. Neither the MIO nor Empress Jamyl I have the right to block my entrance to the Empire, as I am a Capsuleer. As a destitute Holder, I have nothing for them to take save my title. If I receive notice that my title has been revoked, and that I have been demoted to the status of mere commoner, I would smile and move on with my life, and continue to question the Empress.

There is nothing you can take from me that I am not prepared to lose.

I am Lord Amann Karris. I am not a heretic. I am not a traitor. I am a devoted servant of the Empire and God. I will not quietly accept your judgment over me. I will not quietly accept a ruler who has not accounted for her actions.

Quote:
To know the true path, but yet, to never follow it. That is possibly the gravest sin.
- The Scriptures, Book of Missions 13:21

Open your eyes. Open your minds.
Isis Dea
Society of Adrift Hope
#40 - 2013-10-09 02:58:22 UTC
And here I was thinking there weren't already enough heretics in the Amarrian-Minmatar warzone.

With all these people outcrying for attention by questioning a figure who is so far above ever needing to account for her actions, backed by an Empire that need not ever account for its own actions... PIE, why?

Why waste time on garbage?

Your Empress, if I ever could claim to understand a sliver of the great woman leading your Empire, I'm sure would expect better of you.

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