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What does Eve do right?
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Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#1 - 2013-10-08 15:55:15 UTC
This is neither an Eve is ~dying nor a CCP cheerleader thread. I want to know why, despite all the faults with Eve and CCP messups, you continue to subscribe to Eve, and why you think others do.

Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism. However, the competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay has kept me playing Eve years past when I have quit playing videogames in general, and subscribing even when I don't have the time to actually play the game much at all. That said, if there was another game that captured that competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay, in particular a fantasy-based game, I would be gone from Eve without a second thought.

So I'm curious why others continue to play and continue to subscribe. What keeps you playing, and what would it take from a new game to replace what Eve currently satisfies for you?

Thanks for serious answers...and joke answers that are actually funny.

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Lipbite
Express Hauler
#2 - 2013-10-08 15:58:29 UTC
Economy, API, graphics, propaganda... I mean marketing.
Doc Fury
Furious Enterprises
#3 - 2013-10-08 16:02:26 UTC
No other viable alternative exists, and probably won't. I don't see many games where you can lose everything.

And delicious tears.

☼

There's a million angry citizens looking down their tubes..at me.
Felicity Love
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-10-08 16:03:17 UTC
It's simply FUN.

And, as a gamer, I go where the fun is.

When that changes, I change games.

Pirate

"EVE is dying." -- The Four Forum Trolls of the Apocalypse.   ( Pick four, any four. They all smell.  )
Kate stark
#5 - 2013-10-08 16:03:34 UTC
character progression.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#6 - 2013-10-08 16:04:22 UTC
Lipbite wrote:
Economy, API, graphics, propaganda... I mean marketing.


Yeah, I consider the economy a subset of the competitive and emergent sandbox that really makes Eve shine.

I'm curious how hard it would be to replicate a largely player-run economy. Does it represent substantial innovation and professional knowledge, or is it just unique in that nobody else has bothered to develop something similar?

Official Representative of The Nullsec Zealot Cabal
Signal11th
#7 - 2013-10-08 16:05:40 UTC  |  Edited by: Signal11th
Social aspect, I've met some amazing people on here and met some that you could really struggle calling humanoid.
The social side is what makes EVE for me and the rush that I still get even now just before going into pvp.. Everything else is just candy floss.

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!
Mra Rednu
Oyonata Gate Defence Force.
#8 - 2013-10-08 16:08:48 UTC
It does chat channels pretty well.
Jenn aSide
Soul Machines
The Initiative.
#9 - 2013-10-08 16:10:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Varius Xeral wrote:
This is neither an Eve is ~dying nor a CCP cheerleader thread. I want to know why, despite all the faults with Eve and CCP messups, you continue to subscribe to Eve, and why you think others do.

Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism. However, the competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay has kept me playing Eve years past when I have quit playing videogames in general, and subscribing even when I don't have the time to actually play the game much at all. That said, if there was another game that captured that competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay, in particular a fantasy-based game, I would be gone from Eve without a second thought.

So I'm curious why others continue to play and continue to subscribe. What keeps you playing, and what would it take from a new game to replace what Eve currently satisfies for you?

Thanks for serious answers...and joke answers that are actually funny.


Turns out EVE appeals to me in strange ways that I didn't consider in the past while playing other games.

I don't have great reflexes so twitch games for me are fun but I'll never ever be some CoD or battlefield master (not that twitch is everything in those games). I like strategy games as well, but in an odd way find many of them to be "too" distant from the action.

EVE is a perfect middle ground, I'm captaining a ship (not piloting it) while managing a small personal empire of ships, captains (alts), cargo and even real estate while at the same time bieng a member of larger organizations (corp, alliance and incursion communities).

EVE also appeals to me because the game itself (not the lore, that's a different thing) doesn't lie to me. The game says "it's you, your wits, a free rookie ship with 1 trit and 5000 isk against the entire universe, go have fun". Most other games (in both lore and gameplay) make you up to be some super hero who is a special snowflake. i'm a special snowflake in real life (lol) I wanna swim with the sharks when I game.

Lastly EVE appeals to the tinkerer/mad scientist in me. I'm much less of a "shooter" (in the pvp sense) and much more of an "R&D guy who occasional goes to the front line to shoot stuff". There are days where I gotta find something to plug my thumb drive into so i can start eft and tinker with stuff, only to see that stuff fail in game because EFT is great but the realities of the game rule.


Everyone plays EVE for different reasons, some of those reasons i find ridiculous (like those people who play EVE for what it "might" someday be or the masochists who play in spite of the mountains of things they don't like) , but to each his own.
Takari
Promised Victorious Entropy
#10 - 2013-10-08 16:17:37 UTC

It is both possible to solo your way to riches and group up and succeed.

Either way you could be killed and lose your ship, modules, etc. You respawn with only your money and what you have set aside.

The separation of character skills from actions or levels. - I don't have to log in and shoot at a "Target Dummy" all day for my lazor skill to increase.


This is why I keep coming back to Eve after other games have fallen to the wayside.

Also, I love spaceships.

"Roll the dice, don't think twice. This is the way of things. Welcome to EVE." ~ CCP Falcon

"Good luck, shoot straight and don't back down." - Serendipity Lost
Tron 3K
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2013-10-08 16:22:33 UTC
Eve? I just come here for the forums to stroke my epeen!
Bagrat Skalski
Koinuun Kotei
#12 - 2013-10-08 16:29:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Bagrat Skalski
Market. Industry. Scale of things. Despite many little annoyances, its good game. Of course, you have to put effort into producing anything, but it's not bad thing, as long as you like spaceships and the setting. Do you like doing great things on your own, or be a part of great empire vs empire war? Do you dare to explore the universe? Fight? Conquer? Work your way into POS and producing stuff? Than it's the game for you (epic orchestral music in the background).

Custom ship skins, character creator style "repaint". Bring it!
Krixtal Icefluxor
INLAND EMPIRE Galactic
#13 - 2013-10-08 16:34:50 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:


Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism.


EVE is way more grim and dark in nature than any of Clarke's fiction.

"He has mounted his hind-legs, and blown crass vapidities through the bowel of his neck."  - Ambrose Bierce on Oscar Wilde's Lecture in San Francisco 1882
Anomaly One
Doomheim
#14 - 2013-10-08 16:35:03 UTC
The fact that I can do anything I want, the whole interaction thing between the players.. Even If I don't want to interact i'm forced to in some way which is what I like..
A game that I can comfortably play even 10 years from now..
Only game where pvp is actually exciting for me small gangs/fw.. i've gotten used to pvp in so many other games that they get.. meh after a while.. In eve i'm paranoid every sec hell even when i'm mining I click d-scan more then when I go to low sec :p
People say eve can't be played solo I disagree, it may not be solo friendly but it's the only game where you can enjoy playing solo and do a lot of stuff solo mainly everything if you want to, as well as group up for hours on end if you decided to

And the fact that after playing eve every other game I go to I feel my freedom is extremely limited and I keep asking "why can't I do that" then I log on again here and play.
So yea endless stuff to do if you want to and there's so much more that can be improved about the game endlessly if the devs do it right, one of the best games and still has major potential to improve? can't get any better than that..
Musca Sklir
Doomheim
#15 - 2013-10-08 16:35:22 UTC
it surely can not be unbiased interaction with players based on favoritism or proper communication towards irs playerbase.
Jessi Burns
24th Imperial Crusade
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2013-10-08 16:40:02 UTC
I've played many, MANY MMOs, and all of them have lost all of their flavor since WoW vanilla.

I've only been playing EVE for a month or so, and have been awestruck with how much there is to do in this game. This is the number one reason I have kept playing even after getting podded the first time. (which by the way is a critical turning point for any player who plays eve.... my friend who got me into eve quit the day after his first pod.. lol)

I like that when I venture out into space (i'm doing FW) there is a definite feeling of fear of loss, and excitement wherever I go.

I won my first 1v1 in FW over the weekend. Normally I don't do 1v1s, just small gangs, so this triggered an extreme amount of adrenaline. I haven't felt that in a video game in a very very long time.

I can't wait to see where my Eve journey takes me - after FW I'm not sure what I'll do, but there are tons of choices and I don't see myself turning back any time soon.

(In short, please CCP do not ever cater to the masses. This game is mad fun, but for a specific mindset. As soon as the masses are catered to, this game will go in the dumps :( )
Shai 'Hulud
#17 - 2013-10-08 16:43:07 UTC
Sandbox WAS the only thing they really did right. Most everything else is poorly done compared to similar games.

The most useful slaves are those that believe themselves to be free
Seven Koskanaiken
Shadow Legions.
Insidious.
#18 - 2013-10-08 16:54:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Seven Koskanaiken
Lots of goals you can set for yourself. Each goal takes a long time to learn and achieve so it's hard to get bored.

Uses real life skills. You need real life organisation and motivation, real life intelligence, real life financial skills, etc to really succeed at most things. This keeps the irritating kids out.

Models "reality" without all the moral BS. As in, no laws and no morals count. Only what count is 1. Can it physically/materially be done and 2. Is anyone strong enough to stop you? There's nothing to stop you doing anything if you accept the risk/cost of doing it. This if for all video games but in eve it's an mmo so i can practice sociopathic tendencies in a safe zone, instead of doing another columbine/post office shooting or some ****. (Joke btw if NSA/GCHQ are reading this)

I like space. Flying a big spaceship is fun. Flying a small fast ship is fun. Old fashion fantasy stuff bores me.

One day in the future they will make wis, walk on planets, walk where u like in 5 sense virtual reality so I can forget about horrible real life and just live in eve.

Economy. Every goods and money flows around the universe in like a big flowchart. It's interesting.
ElQuirko
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-10-08 16:55:13 UTC
Your mom lol

Dodixie > Hek
Harry Forever
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#20 - 2013-10-08 16:58:30 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
This is neither an Eve is ~dying nor a CCP cheerleader thread. I want to know why, despite all the faults with Eve and CCP messups, you continue to subscribe to Eve, and why you think others do.

Personally I don't even really like "spaceships", or even science fiction for that matter, beyond Clarkesque futurism. However, the competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay has kept me playing Eve years past when I have quit playing videogames in general, and subscribing even when I don't have the time to actually play the game much at all. That said, if there was another game that captured that competitive and emergent sandbox gameplay, in particular a fantasy-based game, I would be gone from Eve without a second thought.

So I'm curious why others continue to play and continue to subscribe. What keeps you playing, and what would it take from a new game to replace what Eve currently satisfies for you?

Thanks for serious answers...and joke answers that are actually funny.


eve is a trap

Harry Forever vs. Goonswarm
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