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advices for proteus fit nullsec data + DED complex
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Aeter Villiana
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2013-10-07 22:14:10 UTC
hi everyone, actually playing eve for few month, i'm really interested in exploration and in the proteus.

actually skilling for the ship, i made this fit. Aiming for nullsec data sites as well as DED complex 6/10, 7/10 and eventually 8/10 solo

keep in mind that i'm quite new in eve and looking to learn by posting here . . .

PROTEUS FIT
nullsec data + DED complex_

high slot :

250mm Railgun II - javelin M
250mm Railgun II - javelin M
250mm Railgun II - javelin M
Improved Cloaking device
Sisters core probe launcher - sister core probe

mid slot :

10MN Microwarpdrive II
Data Analyzer II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II

low slot :

Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Energized Adaptative Nano Membrane II
Armor Thermic Hardener II (depending of the faction)
Armor Kinetic Hardener II ( depending of the faction)

Sub-system :

Defensive - Nanobot Injector
Electronics - Emergent Locus Analyzer
Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Propulsion - Interdiction Nullifier
Engineering - Capacitor Regeneration Matrix

Drones :

3 X Garde II
5 X Hobgoblin II
2 X Hammerhead II


i currently working my skills but with all i need up to 5, stats looks virtually like this :

armor resist :
EM - 62.5%
Thermic - 88.6%
Kinetic - 94.3%
explosive - 32.5%

effective HP : 44.8 k

firepower :
Weapon - 177 dps
Drones - 421dps
total : 598 dps

speed : 316 m/s

capacitor stable at 33.8%


no cover reconfiguration, too much nerf and as long as i got the cloak + MWD trick, it could be safe enough (ok i know, it s never safe enough^^)

thx for reading this, waiting to learn from advices !
Icarus Able
Refuse.Resist
#2 - 2013-10-08 17:28:05 UTC
It looks fine. I dont fly a proteus so i cant say for sure. But it looks similar to fits ive seen used for 5-6/10s.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#3 - 2013-10-08 17:43:59 UTC
Rigs? I'd assume two CCCs and a single SDA.

That will survive Angel, Gurista, and Serpentis 5s with the appropriate hardeners and run Gurista and Serpentis 7s and Gurista 6s. It won't do 8s or higher of any faction and will die horribly in the Serpentis 6. It would be a close thing but it might break the Blood 6 overseer tank but doesn't have a shot at the Sansha 6.

Gardes without omnis are going to keep you uncomfortably close to the action (forget spike) but it can be done.
Froggy Storm
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#4 - 2013-10-09 01:57:19 UTC
With only playing a few months I wonder about the support skills. Assuming you have them maxed out for everything then the prot is a great ship for a lot of plex running. I'd offer that the Ishtar can do a lot of the same at a lower overhead cost than the prot.

If you don't have (near) max for core and def certs then I would advise against using any T3s. No matter how the paper stats come out it is not worth the isk/risk. Drones are a great way to go for isk/hr and a solid investment all around, but the support skills are even more critical.

My advice as a new explorer is to fit up a covop frig and focus on just data/relic until you've played longer. It will make you much more than losing a few T3s and you will generate fewer shiny losses.
Jonas Staal
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2013-10-09 06:52:41 UTC
The Ishtar is indeed a great ship if you don't want to risk the money (more or less 1 bil?) on a Proteus.

However, the Proteus potentially has way better tank, and the interdiction nullifier is worth so much when you're cruising in null.

Once I get the subsystem skills, I'm going to get a Proteus just for completing last-site escalations in null.

Then again, when MWD+Cloak tricking trough a gate-camp, I imagine the potential loss of a Proteus can be more stressfull than an Ishtar!
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2013-10-09 13:32:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Proteus is okay. You could try something like this

[Proteus, Proteus - solo lvl 5]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Thermic Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II

250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir


Garde II x4
Whatever other drones you like

650 dps (531 from Gardes)
850 tank (kinetic / thermal)
542 m/s
Sig: 246
Cap: 6 mins (26 minutes with AC's)

I much prefer Ishtar though. Have used both. For data and relic site running you're better off just using a covert ops frig or a regular bonused frig with cloak basically cause if you can run combat sites its a waste of time and isk doing exploration imo.

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Aeter Villiana
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2013-10-14 00:48:52 UTC
ok, thx for your answer,

so if i understand, the best thing i can do is to fit an all in one vexor into Ishtar before thinking about T3

but do you think it's possible to explo at least in low sec with a vexor (relic /data/combat, or at least combat, got an helios to run data and relic) ? my first goal is to escape from high sec competition
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#8 - 2013-10-14 01:15:34 UTC
Aeter Villiana wrote:
ok, thx for your answer,

so if i understand, the best thing i can do is to fit an all in one vexor into Ishtar before thinking about T3

but do you think it's possible to explo at least in low sec with a vexor (relic /data/combat, or at least combat, got an helios to run data and relic) ? my first goal is to escape from high sec competition


Myrmidon is for people that can't fly an ishtar yet, and can fit shield/auto if you want or do a fairly credible job as active armor.

I wouldn't obsess about all-in-one in lowsec, no shortage of places to refit between scan/data and combat, and a shield myrm should be able to redock if you find yourself camped at a station.
Zhilia Mann
Tide Way Out Productions
#9 - 2013-10-14 03:02:16 UTC
Aeter Villiana wrote:
ok, thx for your answer,

so if i understand, the best thing i can do is to fit an all in one vexor into Ishtar before thinking about T3

but do you think it's possible to explo at least in low sec with a vexor (relic /data/combat, or at least combat, got an helios to run data and relic) ? my first goal is to escape from high sec competition


Vex will run 4s and the bottom tier of low sec unrated sites. It will die in 5s and 6s.
Baggo Hammers
#10 - 2013-10-14 03:51:47 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Proteus is okay. You could try something like this

[Proteus, Proteus - solo lvl 5]
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Beta Reactor Control: Shield Power Relay I
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Thermic Dissipation Field II
Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II

250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
250mm Railgun II, Javelin M
Drone Link Augmentor II
Medium Remote Armor Repair System II
Improved 'Guise' Cloaking Device II

Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II
Medium Core Defense Field Purger II

Proteus Defensive - Augmented Plating
Proteus Electronics - CPU Efficiency Gate
Proteus Propulsion - Gravitational Capacitor
Proteus Offensive - Drone Synthesis Projector
Proteus Engineering - Augmented Capacitor Reservoir


Garde II x4
Whatever other drones you like

650 dps (531 from Gardes)
850 tank (kinetic / thermal)
542 m/s
Sig: 246
Cap: 6 mins (26 minutes with AC's)

I much prefer Ishtar though. Have used both. For data and relic site running you're better off just using a covert ops frig or a regular bonused frig with cloak basically cause if you can run combat sites its a waste of time and isk doing exploration imo.


Plus a probe launcher

If you don't know where you're going, any road will take you there.
Aeter Villiana
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2013-10-14 08:16:27 UTC
ok so i ll work on an myrmidon armor fit (got better skills in armor than shield), but still i m not a great fan of the myrm, could drake be a good choice instead ? read alot of good comment about it.
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#12 - 2013-10-14 09:04:24 UTC
Aeter Villiana wrote:
ok so i ll work on an myrmidon armor fit (got better skills in armor than shield), but still i m not a great fan of the myrm, could drake be a good choice instead ? read alot of good comment about it.


myrm hull skill to IV is a few days side track from ishtar/proteus type training, and uses the same types of modules/weapons. The drake is on the tengu path, and shares much fewer modules. Is up to you whether you want to be able to fly a lot of hulls ok, or some specialist hulls really well.
Aeter Villiana
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2013-10-14 09:57:37 UTC
ok, i just show how new i am i this univers ^^

so here is the fit i made for the myrm.

low sec explo myrm :

high-
-sister core probe launcher_sister core probe X8
-improved cloaking device II
-250mm railgun II_spike or javelin
-250mm railgun II_spike or javelin
-drone link augmentor II

mid-
-10mn microwarpdrive II
-cap recharger II
-cap recharger II
-cap recharger II
-data analyzer II

low-
-energized adaptative nano membrane II
-armor thermic hardener II
-armor kinetic hardener II
-medium armor repairer II
-medium armor repairer II
-drone damage amplifier II

rigs-
-medium auxiliary nano pump I
-medium auxiliary nano pump I
-medium capacitor control circuit I

drones-
5x hobgoblin II
5x hammerhead II
4x bouncer II
5x hornet EC-300
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#14 - 2013-10-14 10:05:42 UTC  |  Edited by: Tauranon
You have drones for angels and tank for gurista or serps. When in doubt, choose garde IIs is a simple strategy.

I also wouldn't focus on cap stability - at least one omni directional tracking link is required to make sentries work. (ie the general gist of a droneboat is the more often you can apply the sentry damage to everything the faster you get stuff done).

Along the same line of thinking I wouldn't dual rep, (that rep will probably empty your cap anyway, and could be avoided by doing 20%ish more dps via another drone damage amp). But you'll have to try the encounters and see what you are comfortable with.
Aeter Villiana
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2013-10-14 10:55:56 UTC
so it should look like this, hardener will naturally change depending on NPC aimed

high-
-sister core probe launcher_sister core probe X8
-prototype cloaking device I
-250mm railgun II_spike or javelin
-250mm railgun II_spike or javelin
-drone link augmentor II

mid-
-10mn microwarpdrive II
-cap recharger II
-cap recharger II
-omnidirectionnal tracking link II
-data analyzer II

low-
-energized adaptative nano membrane II
-armor thermic hardener II
-armor kinetic hardener II
-medium armor repairer II
-drone damage amplifier II
-drone damage amplifier II

rigs-
-medium auxiliary nano pump I
-medium auxiliary nano pump I
-medium capacitor control circuit I

drones-
5x hobgoblin II
5x hammerhead II
4x garde II
5x hornet EC-300

i change the cloaking device to the T1 variant cause of the lack of CPU, i think i ll skill in this way
Batelle
Federal Navy Academy
#16 - 2013-10-14 17:46:17 UTC
When trying to do both profession and combat sites, the dps and application are poor enough that I wouldn't bother trying it in nul, and you wouldn't want to go there anyway because mwd/cloak is less safe.

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School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#17 - 2013-10-14 18:52:33 UTC
Batelle wrote:
When trying to do both profession and combat sites, the dps and application are poor enough that I wouldn't bother trying it in nul, and you wouldn't want to go there anyway because mwd/cloak is less safe.


Every one who spots a T3 in null instantly assumes those are all nullified and believe me or not this is absolutely not true.
You loose a huge chunk of your ship, an important slot for dps/tank just to avoid bubbles, which is silly.

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