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Swidgen
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#201 - 2013-10-07 19:33:12 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ripard is a joke of a CSM.

Wha? I disagree with his stance on this fiasco, but if you think he's a joke then you haven't been paying attention to all the other good things he has brought to this CSM cycle.
Bronco Platz
Doomheim
#202 - 2013-10-07 19:36:42 UTC
Swidgen wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ripard is a joke of a CSM.

Wha? I disagree with his stance on this fiasco, but if you think he's a joke then you haven't been paying attention to all the other good things he has brought to this CSM cycle.


You mean all the things he can´t tell because of NDA?

This signature is under NDA. Sorry.

Kate stark
#203 - 2013-10-07 19:42:39 UTC
Bronco Platz wrote:
Swidgen wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
Ripard is a joke of a CSM.

Wha? I disagree with his stance on this fiasco, but if you think he's a joke then you haven't been paying attention to all the other good things he has brought to this CSM cycle.


You mean all the things he can´t tell because of NDA?


but warp acceleration

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Tasha Saisima
Doomheim
#204 - 2013-10-07 19:48:23 UTC
Lol at what an ignorant thread
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#205 - 2013-10-07 19:55:34 UTC
Kate stark wrote:


so you're perfectly fine with CCP giving any one they want, anything they want, at any time they want, without a word?


That isn't what we are really talking about, is it?

All that was given were some rare ships that were only considered rare because of their rarity, not because of any special use that they might have. No one would fly one into battle except on a lark, and if they did no one would notice it until after it died, on the killmail.

Second, it IS their game, like it or not. But as such, it is in their discretion to gift certain organizations with awards if they wish. In fact, in many instances it is a smart move to keep things on a positive note. I will not begrudge CCP for wanting to show certain very successful Eve-related sites that they appreciate their efforts.

Now, if they had gifted them Ishukone Watch Scorp BPOs then yes, I would be rioting right with you. But no, this isn't a serious issue. In fact, it was a smart, cordial move on the part of CCP and to think otherwise is a bit daft.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander

Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#206 - 2013-10-07 20:01:09 UTC
Orakkus wrote:
I have read much of what has been written here about the situation.

To me this whole situation is a non-issue. It doesn't compare with the T2 Scandal or even the recent problem with the TOS. This is a waste of people's time to even be upset about. CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community.. whether you LIKE them or NOT. CCP rewarded us recently with a whole bunch of new toys like the Gnosis and stuff, and didn't consider my feelings at all whether or not I liked you all getting one. And the Gnosis is actually useful, not a glorified white elephant of a prize like the Ishukone Watch Scorpion.

This is not an issue.
This is not even bad.

Move along and get to some real problems and stop wasting rage or brain power on this.



Confirming that when the local mafia hands out a bunch of turkeys at thanksgiving, it's good they are giving(back) to the community.

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Kate stark
#207 - 2013-10-07 20:03:10 UTC
Orakkus wrote:
Kate stark wrote:


so you're perfectly fine with CCP giving any one they want, anything they want, at any time they want, without a word?


That isn't what we are really talking about, is it?


erm, yes, it is.

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.

Roxwar
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2013-10-07 20:06:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Roxwar
Malcanis wrote:



1) CCP have been giving special award ships for a long, long time. Why is it suddenly a problem now


Because they tried keeping it quiet, and anybody trying to keep something quiet implies they KNOW what they're doing will cause issues should the player base find out.
This happened, yet you still seem to be missing the point by a country mile.



Malcanis wrote:


2) I can't be bothered to talk to naive children.



Malcanis wrote:


Whatever. I'm done talking about this.




I'd define irony for you, but you come across as somebody who see's themselves as superior to us mortals, so i'd be wasting my time.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#209 - 2013-10-07 20:14:29 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Orakkus wrote:
I have read much of what has been written here about the situation.

To me this whole situation is a non-issue. It doesn't compare with the T2 Scandal or even the recent problem with the TOS. This is a waste of people's time to even be upset about. CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community.. whether you LIKE them or NOT. CCP rewarded us recently with a whole bunch of new toys like the Gnosis and stuff, and didn't consider my feelings at all whether or not I liked you all getting one. And the Gnosis is actually useful, not a glorified white elephant of a prize like the Ishukone Watch Scorpion.

This is not an issue.
This is not even bad.

Move along and get to some real problems and stop wasting rage or brain power on this.



Confirming that when the local mafia hands out a bunch of turkeys at thanksgiving, it's good they are giving(back) to the community.



??? Yea, it is good. It's totally seperate from what they do that hurts people.

I've actually participated in such events (gangs or course, not mafia), it was usually the start of that group trying to go straight, sometimes it works.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#210 - 2013-10-07 20:15:37 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:

Confirming that when the local mafia hands out a bunch of turkeys at thanksgiving, it's good they are giving(back) to the community.


No one said you HAD to take the turkey..

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander

RAW23
#211 - 2013-10-07 20:29:16 UTC
Malcanis wrote:

No I don't see the "huge" ISK value as much of an issue. For the following reasons:

1) The Somer people have more ISK than they know what to do with. The ISK value of this award is meaningless to them.



That's rather like saying that the T20 scandal shouldn't have been an issue because the actual advantage given to BoB was minimal given the pre-existing wealth and power of their alliance.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

RAW23
#212 - 2013-10-07 20:31:58 UTC
Malcanis wrote:



1) CCP have been giving special award ships for a long, long time. Why is it suddenly a problem now


Because there is a huge difference in scale between giving one out to an organisation as a small gesture and giving out 30 with a market value of getting on for half a trillion isk. It's the same reason people aren't too fussed about drivers exceeding the speed limit by 2mph but get really pissed if they see someone doing 150.

There are two types of EVE player:

those who believe there are two types of EVE player and those who do not.

Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#213 - 2013-10-07 20:32:09 UTC
It's almost like Malacanis doesn't believe the same ten or so people repeatedly rage posting and ignoring any counter points actually represents the general opinion of the player base.
In this I have to agree with him. A lot of people are not particularly offended by this give away.
And rather than raging on it, some of us who aren't happy about 'how' it happened are being more constructive in moving on.

This happened months ago, the ships only have a value because collectors have those billions of isk and nothing to spend it on already (10 bil isk is only 10 days for some people, even less for those who tick 250 mil+/hr in null sec anoms with carriers.).

And all this noise over the value of the ships is simply blocking any coherent comments about better ways to be transparent about community give-aways.
Charles Panzram
Doomheim
#214 - 2013-10-07 20:36:34 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
Malcanis wrote:
Seriously though, the Ishscorps were repurposed as community awards. They've been given out as a community award. That's OK. The 'dumb' here was the timing and the not being transparent about it rather than the community award itself. That level of dumb merits a Roll and maybe a :CCP: but this aint no T20 or $1000 Jeans class event. The Derpometer needle barely twitched on this one.

And for all those people jumping on Jester for pointing this out, remember he's also the one that got us the warp speed changes that are going to make a massive difference to the way the game is actually played and will continue to do so until long after this teacup-based storm has been utterly forgotten (ie: Next month)

You don't see the huge ISK value as an issue? I think things such as free gametime are fine rewards to give to community types, but stuff worth a lot of ISK isn't. Also, I feel the main issue with the Jester blog is the dismissal of people's concerns. I mean, yeah, the shitstorm's a bit much at the moment, and some people may indeed be upset because they're not getting scorps themselves, but neither of those is a reason to say the concern of the community is not valid. Ripard's post was a fallacy and deserving of criticism, despite other contributions he's made to CSM


No I don't see the "huge" ISK value as much of an issue. For the following reasons:

1) The Somer people have more ISK than they know what to do with. The ISK value of this award is meaningless to them.

2) And that ISK value is pretty hypothetical. And it's based purely on the rarity of the Ishscorps given out so far. Note that so far. CCP have said outright that they've given these out before and they're going to be given out again. The mere fact of giving out another 30 has significantly reduced the rarity of these ships.

In fact I think that giving gametime to Somer would be much less appropriate than the Ishscorps. That really would be a straight up money gift, rather than what amounts to a set of harmless souveniers.



1. LOL They are rich anyways so its ok to give them even more isks/gifts? Am I really reading this? THAT is THE dumbest justification I have read so far! BoB back then were rich too so T20 sponsoring some minor T2 BPOs was no big deal either according to that moronic logic!

2. It does not matter whether these things are worth an isks or a trillion isks its about favoritism, why somer and not EVE24, Kugu, Chribba? Somer and his dudes even milk real life cash out of it due to the relations of GTCs being bought at a certain site and they getting a cut of it!

CCP donates special ships -> influx of players using Somer blink increases -> number of GTCs sold by their partner increases since you get free "gambling coins" = Somer and dudes make more cash since they get a cut, thats even worse than T20 this is CCP directly sponsoring a selected group of people not only with in game wealth but RL cash as well.

Its about principle! A gaming company SHOULD NEVER SHOW ANY SIGNS OF FAVORITISM WHAT SO EVER.
Orakkus
ImperiaI Federation
Goonswarm Federation
#215 - 2013-10-07 20:43:11 UTC
Kate stark wrote:

erm, yes, it is.


Then this is even more of a colossal waste of time for everyone complaining. The only argument present was little more than a belief, that somehow, we the players have this magical ability to dictate the good/bad line in an internet game of spaceships known for its scams, ruthlessness, and most importantly, the squishing of people's thoughts and opinions of self entitlement.

This is what I hear: "Dear CCP, I am mad because you did not give me a ship that is next to useless but looks pretty. Instead you gave it to someone I don't like. Please don't remember that if you gave me that ship, I would have complained about how useless and pointless it really was."

No one disputes that this ship sucks.
No one disputes that this ship will spend much of its time being spun around like Kim Kardasian or Paris Hilton
Why anyone is upset about this makes no sense. Other games do this all the time and these aren't in any way shape or form game breaking. Or even game altering. Or even game changing. Or even game distracting. Or even game inconvenicing (sp?).

So the only possible way you all are mad is because you all didn't get one too. All of you are upset because you can't speak in your best "Captain Jack Sparrow" voice, muttering to yourself, "It's such a pretty boat.. err ship." while you spin it in the hanger or fly it safely through 1.0 systems.

Though, I did find it funny that someone thought that CCP violated the EULA, which is impossible since they aren't an End User.

He's not just famous, he's "IN" famous. - Ned Nederlander

Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#216 - 2013-10-07 20:45:33 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Orakkus wrote:
I have read much of what has been written here about the situation.

To me this whole situation is a non-issue. It doesn't compare with the T2 Scandal or even the recent problem with the TOS. This is a waste of people's time to even be upset about. CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community.. whether you LIKE them or NOT. CCP rewarded us recently with a whole bunch of new toys like the Gnosis and stuff, and didn't consider my feelings at all whether or not I liked you all getting one. And the Gnosis is actually useful, not a glorified white elephant of a prize like the Ishukone Watch Scorpion.

This is not an issue.
This is not even bad.

Move along and get to some real problems and stop wasting rage or brain power on this.



Confirming that when the local mafia hands out a bunch of turkeys at thanksgiving, it's good they are giving(back) to the community.



??? Yea, it is good. It's totally seperate from what they do that hurts people.

I've actually participated in such events (gangs or course, not mafia), it was usually the start of that group trying to go straight, sometimes it works.



Blood money. Conflict diamonds. Drug proceeds. White washing.

But on the flip side, at least you confirmed the criminality behind it all, that's something.

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#217 - 2013-10-07 20:46:04 UTC
Orakkus wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:

Confirming that when the local mafia hands out a bunch of turkeys at thanksgiving, it's good they are giving(back) to the community.


No one said you HAD to take the turkey..



But it would be impolite NOT to!

(It WAS tasty.)

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Murk Paradox
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#218 - 2013-10-07 20:50:28 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
It's almost like Malacanis doesn't believe the same ten or so people repeatedly rage posting and ignoring any counter points actually represents the general opinion of the player base.
In this I have to agree with him. A lot of people are not particularly offended by this give away.
And rather than raging on it, some of us who aren't happy about 'how' it happened are being more constructive in moving on.

This happened months ago, the ships only have a value because collectors have those billions of isk and nothing to spend it on already (10 bil isk is only 10 days for some people, even less for those who tick 250 mil+/hr in null sec anoms with carriers.).

And all this noise over the value of the ships is simply blocking any coherent comments about better ways to be transparent about community give-aways.



Where I see an issue, and draw a line is this, and I'll use an example.

For somer blink, you need to register offsite and can xfer ingame assets. This is bad, since you can control your pool of winners (bans etc).

Now, take Marlona's content contribution of doing her 1,000 rifter event by flying a Nyx to simply watch it burn and encourage ANYONE who wants to show up.

Marlona has no control over who shows up, or shoots, or defends. She merely provided the theatre.

CCP contributed to somer blink, which is a private entity, as opposed to a single person for the public service. Somer Blink contributing to private events is not a community service in the same way if I paid my private golf club dues as contributing to the public on an open street.

Somer Blink is not creating content. Marlona is.

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Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#219 - 2013-10-07 20:51:28 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Murk Paradox wrote:
Orakkus wrote:
I have read much of what has been written here about the situation.

To me this whole situation is a non-issue. It doesn't compare with the T2 Scandal or even the recent problem with the TOS. This is a waste of people's time to even be upset about. CCP rewarded Somer for their contributions to our community.. whether you LIKE them or NOT. CCP rewarded us recently with a whole bunch of new toys like the Gnosis and stuff, and didn't consider my feelings at all whether or not I liked you all getting one. And the Gnosis is actually useful, not a glorified white elephant of a prize like the Ishukone Watch Scorpion.

This is not an issue.
This is not even bad.

Move along and get to some real problems and stop wasting rage or brain power on this.



Confirming that when the local mafia hands out a bunch of turkeys at thanksgiving, it's good they are giving(back) to the community.



??? Yea, it is good. It's totally seperate from what they do that hurts people.

I've actually participated in such events (gangs or course, not mafia), it was usually the start of that group trying to go straight, sometimes it works.



Blood money. Conflict diamonds. Drug proceeds. White washing.

But on the flip side, at least you confirmed the criminality behind it all, that's something.


Not trying to derail, but groups like that usually spend money to do more of the bad things they were doing. Using that money for something good or in an attempt to go straight is a great thing. Some do it just for PR, which makes them just as evil as always.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#220 - 2013-10-07 20:57:28 UTC
Murk Paradox wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
It's almost like Malacanis doesn't believe the same ten or so people repeatedly rage posting and ignoring any counter points actually represents the general opinion of the player base.
In this I have to agree with him. A lot of people are not particularly offended by this give away.
And rather than raging on it, some of us who aren't happy about 'how' it happened are being more constructive in moving on.

This happened months ago, the ships only have a value because collectors have those billions of isk and nothing to spend it on already (10 bil isk is only 10 days for some people, even less for those who tick 250 mil+/hr in null sec anoms with carriers.).

And all this noise over the value of the ships is simply blocking any coherent comments about better ways to be transparent about community give-aways.



Where I see an issue, and draw a line is this, and I'll use an example.

For somer blink, you need to register offsite and can xfer ingame assets. This is bad, since you can control your pool of winners (bans etc).

Now, take Marlona's content contribution of doing her 1,000 rifter event by flying a Nyx to simply watch it burn and encourage ANYONE who wants to show up.

Marlona has no control over who shows up, or shoots, or defends. She merely provided the theatre.

CCP contributed to somer blink, which is a private entity, as opposed to a single person for the public service. Somer Blink contributing to private events is not a community service in the same way if I paid my private golf club dues as contributing to the public on an open street.

Somer Blink is not creating content. Marlona is.

I somehow doubt ccp agrees with you

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