Player Features and Ideas Discussion

The whole point is that the pos is offkibe because I the moon is worthless

Sure it is. If they decide to let the POS die and not to take the fight, that's their business.

Declare war and fight for the real estate you want to claim, just like everywhere else in EVE.

Oh, and who says it's been abandoned just because it's not being fueled?

Outside of HS, you can easily kill an offline POS before anyone is likely to show up to defend it.

If you'd like to avail yourselves of the protections of HS, you have to accept that other people will avail themselves of those same protections. That means you need to declare war or accept CONCORD's justice for any aggression.

If you can't be bothered to take what you want, why should you get it?

POSs are to be defended by fleets, not CONCORD.

If a corp is too lazy to fuel their POS so that it reinforces they deserve to lose that POS without warning.
It has become clear by this point that you will never bow to logic, so I'll be leaving this arguement now.

It's a good mechanic, especially in WHs, where the whole idea is to have an area that is "the final frontier" and to explore the unknown...
...except every "unknown" system is populated by dead sticks of those who've gotten locked out of their hole without a probing alt, or ran out of fuel, or lost their POS for some other reason. Having a mechanic whereby anchored POSs naturally decay or can be removed (this is EVE, stealing is not only allowed, but encouraged) for profit is a logical step.

Now you're being intentionally thick.
(Note: that isn't a personal attack that is calling someone out on bad logic)

If players won't defend their tower (and leave it to CONCORD, or aren't willing to fuel it) they should lose it. Thats just a fact.

If everyone left the ISS and never returned, it would fall into the Earth in a multi-billion dollar crater. Same logic applies to EVE, if you won't maintain your stuff, you lose your stuff. Didn't pay your sov bill? Oops, you just lost 5 regions, go re-online all of your TCUs. So why don't people automatically lose offlined towers, either to "decay" or to player theft. Of the tower. Not POS mods that're worth about 3m each and not worth the time.

Your entire argument hinges on "I'm not willing to defend something, but you won't fight me for it." If you won't fight for it (fuel it so it RFs) why can't I steal it? Theft is very EVE, there's no denying that.

I posted in support of this thread... stealing towers by anchoring abandoned ones... taking someone else's tower ie theft.



Fine, let me rephrase: If someone can't be bothered to defend their tower by fueling it and insuring a stront timer, they will lose it. Its simply a question of how difficult that will be, and since everyone who doesn't have the backing of EVE's largest supercap bloc (and even some who do) agrees that structure bashing is on par with mining for fun, having an alternative method of relieving someone of their abandoned property is necessary.

Reason to claim someone's stuff without a fight: there doesn't need to be one. If someone leaves a couch by the side of the road its a free for all, first to the couch can keep it. The owner of the dead tower no longer wants it (as was evidenced by their abandoning it) so why should I fight for something nobody else wants?

I think the better question is why should players be forced to shoot a structure that nobody cares about? Its like grinding regions of Sov after the war is over, its completely unnecessary.

This has really come down to a philosophy question as to whether people should be forced to shoot structures when those structures are undefended. You, the person with a blob of Supercaps and Dreads behind you thinks that structures ought to be shot, as it aligns with your play style, whereas I think shooting structures is stupid because its poor gameplay. This is a game after all, not a day job.

You're confused about who needs to answer that question. Why should people too lazy and/or incompetent to destroy a "undefended" tower be rewarded with the arbitrary and unique ability to commit aggressive action in HS without CONCORD oversight or intervention?



Yes, as soon as someone shoots it. Just like every other owned bit of pixels sitting in space in EVE.
In HS, shooting something that someone owns requires a wardec to avoid loosing your ship.



The tower is anchored, unlike the couch. You're claiming the right to steal someone's house and take their land because the lights are off.
If you'd like someone's land, bulldoze the house.

Actually abandoned towers can be removed by a quick petition to the GMs, as in those cases there's no corp to declare war on.



What evidence do you have that nobody cares about it? The fact that you're scared to shoot it implies you believe otherwise.



As to your continued attempt to poison the well, I've taken down reaction farms before with subcapitals before. Waffles doesn't have supers and doesn't use caps.

So you keep treating this opinion as fact. Why do you relinquish ownership of your house when you turn out the lights? Why do you relinquish ownership of your car when you turn the engine off?



Once again, why should you be able to take space from someone who already has it without offering a fight?

"Because I don't like to fight" is not an adequate answer.