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CCP directly and secretly gifted SOMER Blink 30 Ishukone Scorpions (~450 billion ISK value)

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#961 - 2013-10-06 21:18:23 UTC
Kosakei Sanko wrote:
Tao Dolcino wrote:
There is absolutely no way to count on the CSM to represent us. They are in another world, the world of blink-blink, glitter pailettes.
The CSM has been created by CCP only to serve as buffer between them and the customers.
We must fight by ourselves.

I don't necessarily believe this. The CSM is a great idea, but I have to question just how much CCP actually values their opinion. Someone brought up the idea of this Scorp scandal being a huge publicity stunt; I can't help but wonder if the CSM is as well (no offense to the CSM, of course).

No, the "gold magnate" was the publicity stunt

The scorpions were some backdoor giveaway

The leak was TMC catching someone doing a backdoor giveaway

The csm is supposed to run interference and provide cover. except sometimes people don't seem willing to throw themselves into the fire to help ccp avoid some burns

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#962 - 2013-10-06 21:18:36 UTC
Perhaps this T20 fellow should be rehired and given backpay.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#963 - 2013-10-06 21:20:56 UTC
Erotica 1 wrote:
Perhaps this T20 fellow should be rehired and given backpay.

only if he can keep it more secret than the somer scorpion giveaways

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#964 - 2013-10-06 21:28:04 UTC
I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.

*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid.
Erotica 1
Krypteia Operations
#965 - 2013-10-06 21:30:08 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Erotica 1 wrote:
Perhaps this T20 fellow should be rehired and given backpay.

only if he can keep it more secret than the somer scorpion giveaways


I just figured iceland was a socialist country or something, so the labor folks may fight for his job back along with all the money he would have earned had he worked. Years ago I worked in a union company. A guy was fired because a manager walked by and saw an alcoholic beverage on the guy's lunch receipt that was sitting on his desk. Anyway, the union fought for his job and won. This guy ended up getting backpay for like a year and a half that he did not work. Futhermore, it was counted as though he would have worked every overtime hour offered. It was a $10 an hour job and this guy got $45k out of it.

See Bio for isk doubling rules. If you didn't read bio, chances are you funded those who did.
Bischopt
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#966 - 2013-10-06 21:35:08 UTC
Xtreem wrote:
I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.

*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid.


Yeah.
The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years.
To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good.

"Greed is good"
Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#967 - 2013-10-06 21:38:10 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.

*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid.


Yeah.
The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years.
To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good.

"Greed is good"


Indeed
Tao Dolcino
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#968 - 2013-10-06 21:39:25 UTC
Bischopt wrote:
[The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years.
To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good.

"Greed is good"


Which means : they are ready to destroy the game for a short term profit.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#969 - 2013-10-06 21:39:50 UTC
Xtreem wrote:
Bischopt wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.

*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid.


Yeah.
The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years.
To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good.

"Greed is good"

Indeed

New players, huh.

So I take it somer brings in a lot of new players?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#970 - 2013-10-06 21:39:57 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
Tippia wrote:


MeBiatch wrote:
so what you are saying is they should finish the NeX store?
No.


well there goes my attempt at being facetious.

though there is a certain Irony that something the players never wanted in game due to the NeX store ended up being an item people would be willing to pay upwards of 15 billion for and then raging that they were given out in secrecy as vanity items.

its like two previous CCP derps (t20 and the NeX store) had a baby ... and now we are left with the child of Chucky.

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#971 - 2013-10-06 21:40:33 UTC
TL;DR:

Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous. Whaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa. You people must be real fun at parties...

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Xtreem
Knockaround Guys Inc.
#972 - 2013-10-06 21:43:58 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
Bischopt wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.

*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid.


Yeah.
The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years.
To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good.

"Greed is good"

Indeed

New players, huh.

So I take it somer brings in a lot of new players?


it is more of the fact they will try anything to sweeten the pot so to speak to get people interested, the uproar would be nothing if it was forthright, but it was underhand and 'old cpp' like.

things need to change.

By all means makes things better for new players, dumping billions onto a 3rd party is not the way to do it, and you know it.
TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#973 - 2013-10-06 21:46:25 UTC
Xtreem wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
Bischopt wrote:
Xtreem wrote:
I honestly think at this point CCP is more about the want fore new player $$$ than the $$$ of the people who already have subbed. sad times indeed.

*before I get ripped, iv played for almost 10 years now,, my opinion on this shift is rather valid.


Yeah.
The fact that CCP is a business has been showing a bit too obviously in the recent years.
To me (some might disagree) it feels like they're no longer making EVE into the best game it can be, instead they're making it into something that'll sell and look good.

"Greed is good"

Indeed

New players, huh.

So I take it somer brings in a lot of new players?


it is more of the fact they will try anything to sweeten the pot so to speak to get people interested, the uproar would be nothing if it was forthright, but it was underhand and 'old cpp' like.

things need to change.

By all means makes things better for new players, dumping billions onto a 3rd party is not the way to do it, and you know it.


Billions were not dumped onto a 3rd party. Items were dumped that are made worth billions by the same community who is bitching about said items. If the community suddenly collectively decided these ships are only worth 2 isk, would we still be posting in this threadnaught?

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Kate stark
#974 - 2013-10-06 21:47:00 UTC
guys!

guys!

all publicity is good publicity....

right?!

Yay, this account hasn't had its signature banned. or its account, if you're reading this.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#975 - 2013-10-06 21:49:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
TigerXtrm wrote:
TL;DR:

Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous.
Maybe you should take the time to read it instead, if that's what you think…

MeBiatch wrote:
though there is a certain Irony that something the players never wanted in game due to the NeX store ended up being an item people would be willing to pay upwards of 15 billion for and then raging that they were given out in secrecy as vanity items.

its like two previous CCP derps (t20 and the NeX store) had a baby ... and now we are left with the child of Chucky.

It's a pretty fine example of how thoroughly awful the NeX and everything surrounding it was — its miscellaneous secretions haunt us to this day… Lol
Bronco Platz
Doomheim
#976 - 2013-10-06 21:55:09 UTC
Quote:
decided these ships are only worth 2 isk, would we still be posting in this threadnaught?


Let's say 5 ISK. You eben get 1 Trit when you refine it.

This signature is under NDA. Sorry.
Louise Beethoven
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#977 - 2013-10-06 21:56:08 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:


Billions were not dumped onto a 3rd party. Items were dumped that are made worth billions by the same community who is bitching about said items. If the community suddenly collectively decided these ships are only worth 2 isk, would we still be posting in this threadnaught?

But they're not worth 2 isk. What a weird argument.
StabThigh
Amarrshmellow
#978 - 2013-10-06 21:57:24 UTC  |  Edited by: StabThigh
There are literally two statements that CCP could make that I would consider as "we give a **** about the money you give us every month":

1. We're sorry, we ok'd this event because we are morons.
or
2. Wow somebody made some promises and did some things without getting clearance first. We're sorry, said people will be disciplined.

An iota of corporate backpedaling or "this is ok because..." would spell disaster. Really, you have an awesome player-base that has stuck with you through cubic kilometers of past BS because they like your niche game. How about instead of shitting all over your subscribers by building new monuments in CCP HQ, creating ****** rap videos, investing eve profits in your vampire barbie sim, and secretly handing out advantages to select corps- how about instead of all of that extraneous BS, you... I don't know... fortify eve?

Just a thought.

http://community.eveonline.com/news/dev-blogs/the-commitment/
and what was this? I hope it was something.
TigerXtrm
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#979 - 2013-10-06 21:59:51 UTC
Tippia wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
TL;DR:

Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous.
Maybe you should take the time to read it instead, if that's what you think…


I know what's going on. The only mistake people are justified in ranting about is that CCP gave these gifts in secret and trying to keep it hush hush.

People spend a lot of time creating out-of-game entertainment for EVE Online and CCP saw fit to reward them for that. As the game's developer they are fully in their right to make the decision.

SOMER being a for-profit business makes no difference in the matter. People would be bitching even if this was a charity and don't pretend they wouldn't. With all the donations and promo's SOMER runs they might as well be a charity.

The fact that a gift was given is not even the issue here. If they all got a T1 Raven no-one would even care. But OH ****, this is a unique ship worth a few billion ISK? OUTRAGE!

This is jealousy, pure and simple. Someone got an expensive gift and now all the little kids want an expensive gift of their own or it should be taken away. Because unless everyone can have an expensive gift, no-one should have an expensive gift.

It's pathetic really. And EVEN if it weren't so pathetic; EVE is not fair. Not by a long shot. Anyone thinking it is is delusional. Deal with it.

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StabThigh
Amarrshmellow
#980 - 2013-10-06 22:06:41 UTC
TigerXtrm wrote:
Tippia wrote:
TigerXtrm wrote:
TL;DR:

Someone got an expensive gift and we're all jealous.
Maybe you should take the time to read it instead, if that's what you think…


I know what's going on. The only mistake people are justified in ranting about is that CCP gave these gifts in secret and trying to keep it hush hush.

People spend a lot of time creating out-of-game entertainment for EVE Online and CCP saw fit to reward them for that. As the game's developer they are fully in their right to make the decision.

SOMER being a for-profit business makes no difference in the matter. People would be bitching even if this was a charity and don't pretend they wouldn't. With all the donations and promo's SOMER runs they might as well be a charity.

The fact that a gift was given is not even the issue here. If they all got a T1 Raven no-one would even care. But OH ****, this is a unique ship worth a few billion ISK? OUTRAGE!

This is jealousy, pure and simple. Someone got an expensive gift and now all the little kids want an expensive gift of their own or it should be taken away. Because unless everyone can have an expensive gift, no-one should have an expensive gift.

It's pathetic really. And EVEN if it weren't so pathetic; EVE is not fair. Not by a long shot. Anyone thinking it is is delusional. Deal with it.


Eve was always "not fair" by the mechanics of the game. Not by dev resource injections. Secret or not, it is wrong.