EVE General Discussion

i would like to see goons recive some underthetable scorpions and see what they do
after all they deserve them the provided lots of new contents and emergent gameplay via highsec miner ganking

The Goons would keep them while publicly laughing about the whole thing. The community would still be upset, but at least it wouldn't be a secret that comes out awkwardly.

Now if the New Order were given such ships under the table, James 315 would return them or use them as ganking ships. The New Order is among the most respected groups within Eve Online. You can read more at www.minerbumping.com

It doesn't but then against doesn't mean they are evil. They are a business, pure and simple.

The issue is not Somer and shouldn't be either.

It doesn't matter it if was Somer, EveMon, Dotlan, Z Killboard, Chribba etc...

What matters is that CCP are giving people items that can have an effect in game for free, in secrecy.

It raises the questions

Who else has received items?

What items did they receive?

Why did they get those items?

this yust pointsout the whole csm is pointless and yust a big pr machine to keep ppl dreaming

Running a gambling site is by definition a entertainment service, and they actually spend a lot of the isk they make to provide content for even the people who don't gamble.

CCP should not have given them the ship secretly, maybe not at all, but that don't make somer the bad guy. If they wanted they could keep all the isk they make for them self, but they don't they give parts of it to people who make the game better by making content, and if you can't see why that's a good thing....

providing a service =/= being a community service.



i agree.

Usually I am one of the first people saying the CSM are useless however in this instance I actually feel for them.

They can only go on what information they are given by CCP.

They can not act on what they don't know.

So far I happy with the statements they have made, in this instance they can only react and so far they are doing okay.

Come next week when CCP Devs are back at work and they have had the chance to talk to them, then I will pass judgement.

wel thats yust it, ccp made csm for pr mostly, as they still do whatever they want without letting csm know or Judge wich makes it al pointless

All relevant questions and I'll add a few thoughts of my own.

You are wrong that Somer is not the issue in the first set of cases, about the new ships being handed out by lotto.

CCP endorsed them as a upright and honest group that everyone should trust, breaching the sandbox walls and involving themselves in the games by directly supporting a player faction against all others.
Their claiming that they planned all along to hand out more such bountiful gifts to other 3rd parties looks to be nothing more than an after the event smokescreen, it's irrelevant.

In the second case, the mass handout, (but shh. don't tell anyone so we can gradually sell these all to the poor saps who had no idea new multi billion isk ships had been spawned and handed out), Somer are again most definitely are the issue.

It raises more questions:

Why this secret factionalism where CCP elevate one groups 'content' above others by providing them with tens of thousands of real world dollars worth of ingame advantage?

Is there a relationship beyond a simple business one between CCP and Somer?
Why provide a CCP endorsement of this ingame corporation above any other? GTC sales notwithstanding. Are Somer a CCP run organisation straddling the in/out of game boundary, or just a third party CCP like?

And, (hey I realise the near total reality disconnect in saying give them real things not pixels), but why give them virtual items in the ultra competitive sandbox that give their gameplay (running a isk farming roulette/lottery system) a huge advantage over their competitors, by providing rare ships and possibly other such goodies, driving traffic towards them?
Why not give them out of game promotional merchandise, that nobody at all who plays the game would have any objection to?

Seriously here, if :CCP: had given Somer those fanfest tickets as a giveaway and not the threat and promise of Ultra rare ships, I think everyone would have thought, yeah nice one, lets play a few more blinks and thanks very much CCP, woohoo I just won a Rorqual etc.

These questions do deserve answers, it'll help small time schmucks like me decide if we really want to spend our own real world dollars playing a game where the GM's and DEVs engage in favouritism and factionalism.

Just as an afterthought the EVE world is supposed to be corrupt after all, so yes I can live with a little corruption from rogue devs, it's natural, and I expect it to be cleaned up after the event like with T20.

But, the fact that the people supposed to be making and keeping the rules are openly and clandestinely engaging in factionalism, supporting SOMER and maybe others who knows, (I see no reason to suspect only SOMER of receiving ingame transfers of this nature), will, I guess, leave a lot of people questioning their long term commitment to playing EVE.

There's quite an ocean of difference between a very public and regularly recurring tournament open to any alliance in the game with very special and unique prizes given to the winners, and a very under-the-table rewarding of a specific group for very vaguely defined reasons, in addition to publicly rewarding them and explicitly affirming their trustworthiness.