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Rubicon, or The Little Plan That Could

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raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#21 - 2013-10-04 19:48:27 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
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samualvimes
Brothers At Arms
#22 - 2013-10-04 19:56:36 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
tl;dr for ADHD: The italized parts are different than what it's actually written at the original mesage by CCP Seagull introducing Rubicon and the future development plan it heralds; the italized parts make a different and potentially better plan than the actual one.

>>Rubicon - towards the future of EVE Online

EVE Online is not just a game - it's one of the world's most ambitious living works of science fiction. The EVE universe is a canvas for some of the most hard core PvP action in the gaming world, player driven stories of epic dimensions that mirror humanity in both amazing and disturbing ways, and individual stories of exploring this world and achieving personal goals.

As we take the next steps on our journey with EVE Online, we will continue to create an amazing, demanding game experience that challenges intelligent people to master what the universe offers. But now we are also questioning old truths and the rules that govern the New Eden universe, and we are doing it in line with the secret plans we've been readying since the controversial launch of Incarna. That vision is about giving players, in the form of their immortal capsuleer representations, more power over this universe than ever before. This journey starts with EVE Online: Rubicon, and will unfold over the next several expansions to EVE Online.

We ask you to imagine with us. Think about an ancient, consistent dream of humans: absolute power. Imagine conquering the stars and bending life itself to our will. Such gargantuan efforts are built on the hard work of science, engineering, innovation and industry - the same components also used to wreak terrifying destruction. The duality of that cycle, creation and destruction through technical advancements, fuels the EVE universe and we will amplify it in EVE going forward.

In the universe of EVE Online, military and industrial might re-emerged following the dark ages of the EVE Gate collapse, growing into four human civilizations that rose to the stars: the Amarr Empire, the Gallente Federation, the Caldari State and the Minmatar Republic. Yet the capsuleers, the immortal pilots of EVE's most powerful spaceships, are becoming a stronger and stronger force of their own. They will not settle with what has been served to them thus far. EVE Online: Rubicon is the first step beyond a point of no return, on a dangerous path to ascension with consequences that neither capsuleers nor players can predict.

Think about building political allegiances and about destroying them.

Think about the rise of the immortal capsuleer, taking over what the human Empires used to control.

Imagine capsuleer corporations, rising in power and capabilities, flying their own colors and using their might to take over whole planets. Imagine disrupting what someone else took over, through cunning or force. Imagine profiting from the interstellar-scale commerce of planets, systems and constelaltions as capsuleers permeate politics and seize power.

Imagine what could happen if capsuleers truly exercised their economic might, and were no longer bound to obedience to the established powers.

We are on a long term plan to deliver on what we imagine for EVE Online and New Eden. With Rubicon we continue our efforts to improve and balance the game, to support our player community, and give you the unique sandbox science fiction experience that EVE Online provides.

As capsuleers, you will find the first keys to the future.

Be part of the game. Be part of the universe. Be part of the story.

CCP Your dreams - not a member of CCP>>

It's interesting how a few words here and there redeem the Hallelujah Plan from being a boring more of the same (sovereignty -> wormrholes -> NewSpace) and make it potentially exciting. And I didn't even had to mention avatars. Cool



Think about all the whines of people who would rather CCP defeat their enemies for them

If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming.
samualvimes
Brothers At Arms
#23 - 2013-10-04 19:58:17 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
I just sometimes wonder when the "we are just seeing the start of this right now" will end and we get to the "awesome" part they promised.

PI, Incarna, Dust link, now the "build your own stargate"... All big promises and CCP could not stop talking about how "awesome" this would be and "how crazy" they are to do this things. And look what we got so far.. an idiotic minigame, a useless room and you can shoot a planet...


Well, when CCP Seagull made her prsentation at Fanfest, the idea already sounded as "more of the same in a different color: Go there, take it, hold it, exploit it, fight masive battles over it, lose a single war and leave the game because you no longer can afford to play your way".The question was wether there would be something else to it, but apparently there is not.

And the question is, for the next 3 years, CCP will be developing a plan to add more space for the enjoyment of people whose goal in EVE is owning space... that's fine, nullsec and wormholes have their dedicated populations and more or less are doing well... but then, as those niches get CCP love, what shall they do with the other 70% of players?

Looks like they're taking a minimal resistance course. They choose to please 30% of the playerbase rather than take risks and a chance to upset 100% of it -but also are giving up on pleasing 60, 70 or 80% of the players.

So, we expected the Hallelujah Plan to be revealed and it gave us nothing... yet again.

The problem isn't CCP or what they are doing with EVE, it's that your expectations are unreasonably high. In other words, the problem is you.

To me CCP didn't have to do much more "awesome" than make tech1 cruisers worth flying in pvp, but time and time and time again they've delivered stuff so cool I'm still figuring it out. And now CCP has announced modules and deployables that will make my carebearing faster, easier and more fun (SOE ships, RHMLs, a loot gathering thhing etc etc) and I'm pumped for Rubicon.

I'm sorry the pace is too slow for you, but again, that's just a personal problem. Yet (as with all people who try to pretend their personal problems are public problems) you invoke the old/tired "they are ignoring the majority arguments".

No they are not. They are catering to the majority. They are ignoring YOU and the rest of the unreasonable people who don't understand why CCP re-adopted the "non-Jesus feature" approach. That's why CCP is a success whereas most MMOs and their makers end up folding......


Doing the same in a different way is not going to cut it, neither for burned out vets nor for wannabe players who don't find EVE's current content appealing.

After running in excess of 1,200 Lvl4 missions, I really could use a different PvE rather than some new toy. Bear


Now that you've done 1200 of the starter content, would you like to try playing the main part of the game?

If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#24 - 2013-10-04 20:20:18 UTC
samualvimes wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
I just sometimes wonder when the "we are just seeing the start of this right now" will end and we get to the "awesome" part they promised.

PI, Incarna, Dust link, now the "build your own stargate"... All big promises and CCP could not stop talking about how "awesome" this would be and "how crazy" they are to do this things. And look what we got so far.. an idiotic minigame, a useless room and you can shoot a planet...


Well, when CCP Seagull made her prsentation at Fanfest, the idea already sounded as "more of the same in a different color: Go there, take it, hold it, exploit it, fight masive battles over it, lose a single war and leave the game because you no longer can afford to play your way".The question was wether there would be something else to it, but apparently there is not.

And the question is, for the next 3 years, CCP will be developing a plan to add more space for the enjoyment of people whose goal in EVE is owning space... that's fine, nullsec and wormholes have their dedicated populations and more or less are doing well... but then, as those niches get CCP love, what shall they do with the other 70% of players?

Looks like they're taking a minimal resistance course. They choose to please 30% of the playerbase rather than take risks and a chance to upset 100% of it -but also are giving up on pleasing 60, 70 or 80% of the players.

So, we expected the Hallelujah Plan to be revealed and it gave us nothing... yet again.

The problem isn't CCP or what they are doing with EVE, it's that your expectations are unreasonably high. In other words, the problem is you.

To me CCP didn't have to do much more "awesome" than make tech1 cruisers worth flying in pvp, but time and time and time again they've delivered stuff so cool I'm still figuring it out. And now CCP has announced modules and deployables that will make my carebearing faster, easier and more fun (SOE ships, RHMLs, a loot gathering thhing etc etc) and I'm pumped for Rubicon.

I'm sorry the pace is too slow for you, but again, that's just a personal problem. Yet (as with all people who try to pretend their personal problems are public problems) you invoke the old/tired "they are ignoring the majority arguments".

No they are not. They are catering to the majority. They are ignoring YOU and the rest of the unreasonable people who don't understand why CCP re-adopted the "non-Jesus feature" approach. That's why CCP is a success whereas most MMOs and their makers end up folding......


Doing the same in a different way is not going to cut it, neither for burned out vets nor for wannabe players who don't find EVE's current content appealing.

After running in excess of 1,200 Lvl4 missions, I really could use a different PvE rather than some new toy. Bear


Now that you've done 1200 of the starter content, would you like to try playing the main part of the game?


You mean, PvP? Sorry, but that's something I don't do in EVE. Yes, I should had figured that before subscribing and getting hooked, but that doesn't changes the situation.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
samualvimes
Brothers At Arms
#25 - 2013-10-04 20:24:20 UTC
Just because you don't do it doesn't mean it isn't the major part of the game.

You should try it. get a load of cheap frigs and just have a load of fun. It really is the most incredible experience

If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#26 - 2013-10-04 20:24:40 UTC
Karak Terrel wrote:
I just sometimes wonder when the "we are just seeing the start of this right now" will end and we get to the "awesome" part they promised.

PI, Incarna, Dust link, now the "build your own stargate"... All big promises and CCP could not stop talking about how "awesome" this would be and "how crazy" they are to do this things. And look what we got so far.. an idiotic minigame, a useless room and you can shoot a planet...


100% agree the need to finish what the have started not some "here and there stuff".
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#27 - 2013-10-04 20:34:22 UTC
Topic partially cleaned; Please keep your posts constructive, even if you don't agree with the OP!

Thanks Cool

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
samualvimes
Brothers At Arms
#28 - 2013-10-04 20:36:40 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
I just sometimes wonder when the "we are just seeing the start of this right now" will end and we get to the "awesome" part they promised.

PI, Incarna, Dust link, now the "build your own stargate"... All big promises and CCP could not stop talking about how "awesome" this would be and "how crazy" they are to do this things. And look what we got so far.. an idiotic minigame, a useless room and you can shoot a planet...


100% agree the need to finish what the have started not some "here and there stuff".


On the surface I admit it's not an apocrypha...

HOWEVER ( and this is the important part so listen closely)

They have changed the warp acceleration mechanic which for the last 4 years they have always told me they can't change due o the code being too involved in the rest of the game.

They just changed that.

They said they couldn't do "place anywhere POS" due to legacy code they didn't want to touch. They just told us they've written code to be able to do that.

That means a starting framework for POS' that people will actually want to use.

That's without the balancing changes the SOE ships and the Hi-sec POCOS

If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming.
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai
#29 - 2013-10-04 20:46:59 UTC
samualvimes wrote:
Just because you don't do it doesn't mean it isn't the major part of the game.

You should try it. get a load of cheap frigs and just have a load of fun. It really is the most incredible experience


Just try and take my word for it... neither I'm going to change my opinion about PvP in EVE, nor you would like that EVE changed in a way such that I would engage in PvP in it.

I totally agree that PvP is the funniest thing I've done online. But I don't do it in EVE.

Roses are red / Violets are blue / I am an Alpha / And so it's you
samualvimes
Brothers At Arms
#30 - 2013-10-04 20:50:40 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
samualvimes wrote:
Just because you don't do it doesn't mean it isn't the major part of the game.

You should try it. get a load of cheap frigs and just have a load of fun. It really is the most incredible experience


Just try and take my word for it... neither I'm going to change my opinion about PvP in EVE, nor you would like that EVE changed in a way such that I would engage in PvP in it.

I totally agree that PvP is the funniest thing I've done online. But I don't do it in EVE.



without a shadow of a doubt you are missing out on 95% of the best parts of EvE

If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#31 - 2013-10-04 20:52:08 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:


Doing the same in a different way is not going to cut it, neither for burned out vets nor for wannabe players who don't find EVE's current content appealing.

After running in excess of 1,200 Lvl4 missions, I really could use a different PvE rather than some new toy. Bear



That proves my point, I've run more missions than that and probably that many plexes and anomalies. If you're "burned out" then that is a perosnal problem (with your endurance and with your unreasonable expectations), not a problem CCP needs to fix. This is not to say that new things aren't welcome, but people who can't be hapy with the AWESOME things they have (EvE let syou fly SHIPs...in SPACE....) then no amount of new content is ever going tosatisfy you for long.

Also, why can't you "I need more" people just say that instead of "neither for burned out vets nor for wannabe players who don't find EVE's current content appealing." Speak for your self sometimes, because unless you can provide some sceintifc polls you conducted, you have no idea what other people want.

The fact that EVE is still going means there are enough new people who has what EVE takes.
Johan Civire
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-10-04 21:06:10 UTC
samualvimes wrote:
Johan Civire wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
I just sometimes wonder when the "we are just seeing the start of this right now" will end and we get to the "awesome" part they promised.

PI, Incarna, Dust link, now the "build your own stargate"... All big promises and CCP could not stop talking about how "awesome" this would be and "how crazy" they are to do this things. And look what we got so far.. an idiotic minigame, a useless room and you can shoot a planet...


100% agree the need to finish what the have started not some "here and there stuff".


On the surface I admit it's not an apocrypha...

HOWEVER ( and this is the important part so listen closely)

They have changed the warp acceleration mechanic which for the last 4 years they have always told me they can't change due o the code being too involved in the rest of the game.

They just changed that.

They said they couldn't do "place anywhere POS" due to legacy code they didn't want to touch. They just told us they've written code to be able to do that.

That means a starting framework for POS' that people will actually want to use.

That's without the balancing changes the SOE ships and the Hi-sec POCOS


In other words the have change the server codes. Thats not a small fee to do. So for the request 4 years ago the set a team up to change the server code thats address the code of warping speed. So in short the change the game code for some reasons thats a good thing. There are doing something. But what??? What are there plans! Why the change? We will found that out soon or later...

Or

The lie to every one because for some reasons.
samualvimes
Brothers At Arms
#33 - 2013-10-04 21:18:55 UTC
Johan Civire wrote:
samualvimes wrote:
Johan Civire wrote:
Karak Terrel wrote:
I just sometimes wonder when the "we are just seeing the start of this right now" will end and we get to the "awesome" part they promised.

PI, Incarna, Dust link, now the "build your own stargate"... All big promises and CCP could not stop talking about how "awesome" this would be and "how crazy" they are to do this things. And look what we got so far.. an idiotic minigame, a useless room and you can shoot a planet...


100% agree the need to finish what the have started not some "here and there stuff".


On the surface I admit it's not an apocrypha...

HOWEVER ( and this is the important part so listen closely)

They have changed the warp acceleration mechanic which for the last 4 years they have always told me they can't change due o the code being too involved in the rest of the game.

They just changed that.

They said they couldn't do "place anywhere POS" due to legacy code they didn't want to touch. They just told us they've written code to be able to do that.

That means a starting framework for POS' that people will actually want to use.

That's without the balancing changes the SOE ships and the Hi-sec POCOS


In other words the have change the server codes. Thats not a small fee to do. So for the request 4 years ago the set a team up to change the server code thats address the code of warping speed. So in short the change the game code for some reasons thats a good thing. There are doing something. But what??? What are there plans! Why the change? We will found that out soon or later...

Or

The lie to every one because for some reasons.


If you can't see that what they've done is the framework for future things then I can't help you

If you've never tried PvP in EvE it's quite possible you've missed out on one of the greatest rushes available in modern gaming.
ISD Dorrim Barstorlode
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#34 - 2013-10-04 22:21:28 UTC
I have removed a post discussing moderation. Please do not talk about moderation, even in moderation. Thank you.

ISD Dorrim Barstorlode

Senior Lead

Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs)

Interstellar Services Department
Turelus
Utassi Security
#35 - 2013-10-04 22:39:21 UTC
Don't know how to fix Sov... create Sov 2.0!

I love the goal and vision of CCP and it's always nice to hear them speak it but I admit I am tired of their telling me how awesome the future is while the present is really not that great.
The funny thing is if they just took one thing the community really wanted like POS and did it they would win over the hearts of thousands again.

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#36 - 2013-10-04 23:00:10 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
Turelus wrote:
Don't know how to fix Sov... create Sov 2.0!

I love the goal and vision of CCP and it's always nice to hear them speak it but I admit I am tired of their telling me how awesome the future is while the present is really not that great.
The funny thing is if they just took one thing the community really wanted like POS and did it they would win over the hearts of thousands again.


Yes indeed, so many CCP people keep talking about Future Visions™. They seem to not have realised yet there's no such thing as "future", that's a perception illusion created by our minds (either that or they want to illude you into thinking there is a "future" when there isn't so you keep subscribed to the game). The only thing that exists is a continuous present and that's ultimately what matters to us players.


"The Future Is Now™"

+1 my post to vote for new CCP Slogan! kkthx
Cipher Jones
The Thomas Edwards Taco Tuesday All Stars
#37 - 2013-10-04 23:40:04 UTC
samualvimes wrote:
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:
samualvimes wrote:
Just because you don't do it doesn't mean it isn't the major part of the game.

You should try it. get a load of cheap frigs and just have a load of fun. It really is the most incredible experience


Just try and take my word for it... neither I'm going to change my opinion about PvP in EVE, nor you would like that EVE changed in a way such that I would engage in PvP in it.

I totally agree that PvP is the funniest thing I've done online. But I don't do it in EVE.



without a shadow of a doubt you are missing out on 95% of the best parts of EvE


Telling others how to play?

internet spaceships

are serious business sir.

and don't forget it
ISD Suvetar
ISD Community Communications Liaisons
ISD Alliance
#38 - 2013-10-04 23:46:07 UTC
Folks,

Discussing moderation and re-posting deleted posts is probably one of the best ways to have your forum privileges removed.
I would urge you not to continue doing this.

We are certainly not saying that you have to agree with the OP to post, it wouldn't be a discussion then.
However, if you're going to make a point, make it constructively and without trolling.

Please take heed of this notice!

[b]ISD Suvetar Captain/Commando Community Communication Liaisons (CCLs) Interstellar Services Department[/b]
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#39 - 2013-10-05 04:50:08 UTC  |  Edited by: raven666wings
I agree with the OP and with every post Ishtanchuk made in the thread besides the OP. I even think she should partake a presedential and productive role at the company. I also have a gameplay suggestion for her for continuity of entertaiment in the game.
raven666wings
Cyber Chaos Crew
#40 - 2013-10-06 01:03:21 UTC
Ishtanchuk Fazmarai wrote:

By releasing Rubicon 2 weeks earlier than usual, they're stepping on Egosoft's X-Rebirth release date (November 19th). Roll


Lol with GTA V coming out to PC on November 22 who cares about Rubicons or X-Rebirths Twisted
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