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Paying Concord to Gank Scammer

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Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#61 - 2013-10-03 18:08:58 UTC
Jint Hikaru wrote:
How does a 2004 character not understand how bad this idea is????


ebay

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"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths."    - Abrazzar
My Dream
Doomheim
#62 - 2013-10-03 18:18:18 UTC
Andski wrote:
Jint Hikaru wrote:
How does a 2004 character not understand how bad this idea is????


ebay


if you think that report me and with anyluck you ll get a few days ban for wasting there time

in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
Winchester Steele
#63 - 2013-10-03 18:23:57 UTC
My Dream wrote:
and still i wait for a better idea to punish scammers



We could force them to read your shitposting in this awful thread?

...

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#64 - 2013-10-03 18:24:17 UTC
My Dream wrote:
in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off



What, were people throwing themselves at you trying to give you money and you had to dodge?

I don't understand why you'd feel pride in making a choice that takes no effort or sacrifice whatsoever to make.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#65 - 2013-10-03 18:27:32 UTC
I'm starting to feel bad for you, My Dream. I can arrange a gank but will need upfront payment to cover ship loss and sec/standings hit. Convo me in game to discuss terms.
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#66 - 2013-10-03 18:28:18 UTC
My Dream wrote:

in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
If English is your native tongue,15 years better spent learning the difference between there, they're and their. If not, the beauty of capital letters and punctuation applies in any language.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Feyd's Survival Pack
My Dream
Doomheim
#67 - 2013-10-03 18:31:07 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
My Dream wrote:

in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
If English is your native tongue,15 years better spent learning the difference between there, they're and their. If not, the beauty of capital letters and punctuation applies in any language.


and still the personal insults flow
My Dream
Doomheim
#68 - 2013-10-03 18:32:25 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
My Dream wrote:
in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off



What, were people throwing themselves at you trying to give you money and you had to dodge?

I don't understand why you'd feel pride in making a choice that takes no effort or sacrifice whatsoever to make.


makes me feel better than you
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#69 - 2013-10-03 18:32:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
My Dream wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
My Dream wrote:

in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
If English is your native tongue,15 years better spent learning the difference between there, they're and their. If not, the beauty of capital letters and punctuation applies in any language.


and still the personal insults flow

Nothing personal about it, if you're going to murder a language, at least do it properly. I can't write in Spanish, French or German for toffee, but at least I try and follow basic grammar and punctuation when I murder them.

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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My Dream
Doomheim
#70 - 2013-10-03 18:34:25 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
My Dream wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
My Dream wrote:

in 15 years of online gaming i have never scammed anyone a fact im proud off
If English is your native tongue,15 years better spent learning the difference between there, they're and their. If not, the beauty of capital letters and punctuation applies in any language.


and still the personal insults flow

Nothing personal about it, if you're going to murder a language, at least do it properly.


im not writing an essay
Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#71 - 2013-10-03 18:35:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
My Dream wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:

Nothing personal about it, if you're going to murder a language, at least do it properly.


im not writing an essay

But you do expect to be taken seriously?

A well written, properly punctuated post with the correct use of grammar is far more likely to be taken seriously, because it shows some effort went into it. Your posts on the other hand....

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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My Dream
Doomheim
#72 - 2013-10-03 18:36:17 UTC
Winchester Steele wrote:
My Dream wrote:
and still i wait for a better idea to punish scammers



We could force them to read your shitposting in this awful thread?


post with your main
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#73 - 2013-10-03 18:37:24 UTC
This idea is certainly not tenable.


However, it would be nice if there was an ebay-styled reputation system in the market/contract system.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Kalishka Askulf
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#74 - 2013-10-03 18:58:35 UTC
My Dream wrote:
we know CCP is very reluctant to interfere in this glorious sandbox we have here through GM action action so why dont they put in a system where we can report the scam to concord for a modest fee

Concord would seek out and shoot the offenders and confiscate the scammed isk as evidence (podding would be preffered)
this way there would be in game roleplayey consquences to scamming instead of it being totally risk free as it is

it would not break the taboo of non inteferance with the sandbox but would enable payback in a game way


Clean up your own mess!

Betty White knows it
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#75 - 2013-10-03 19:04:13 UTC

I actually agree there should be a means to go after gankers. And frankly, there sort of is: You can put bounties, higher mercs, go suicde gank them, hunt them, out them on the forums, setup blacklists, and more.

The problem is, it is often hard to tell who the scammer really is, as you can easily run the scam on an alt and transfer the isk to your main guy.

As such, I proposed "Industrial, financial, and market analysis agents" to trace the isk back to the source, and thereby give you a proper target to attack!!!

Think locator agents that tell you where the money goes....
Andski
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#76 - 2013-10-03 19:09:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Andski
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
As such, I proposed "Industrial, financial, and market analysis agents" to trace the isk back to the source, and thereby give you a proper target to attack!!!


Have you actually considered what would happen if that idea were implemented? That makes catching spies as simple as a few agent requests.

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Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#77 - 2013-10-03 19:12:34 UTC
Andski wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:
As such, I proposed "Industrial, financial, and market analysis agents" to trace the isk back to the source, and thereby give you a proper target to attack!!!


Have you actually considered what would happen if that idea were implemented? That makes catching spies as simple as a few agent requests.


Like you can't run API's to monitor isk transfers already? And techniques that avoid the API would generally avoid these agents too.
Elliavir
Miskatonic Mercantile
#78 - 2013-10-03 19:14:39 UTC  |  Edited by: Elliavir
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

I actually agree there should be a means to go after gankers. And frankly, there sort of is: You can put bounties, higher mercs, go suicde gank them, hunt them, out them on the forums, setup blacklists, and more.

The problem is, it is often hard to tell who the scammer really is, as you can easily run the scam on an alt and transfer the isk to your main guy.

As such, I proposed "Industrial, financial, and market analysis agents" to trace the isk back to the source, and thereby give you a proper target to attack!!!

Think locator agents that tell you where the money goes....


I would think the potential for bad data would be huge... how do you (or your agents) tell the difference between Mr. Scamalot transferring 100m ISK to his main and Mr. Scamalot giving 100m ISK to another player who has no idea of the source and is an innocent party?

There's a reason most countries acknowledge the difference between being an active participant in financial crime (being a fence, actively money-laundering) and happening to have tainted cash via legitimate means (selling your car for a fair price to a guy who robbed a bank).

'Follow the money' only works as long as you are also able to investigate intent and knowledge ... which is what real life investigators do and an in-game coded agent inherently cannot.

Edit - And I'd also prefer my virtual reality not be a dystopia where I have literally no privacy. I live in the US - I have enough of that in my real life, thanks.
Gizznitt Malikite
Agony Unleashed
Agony Empire
#79 - 2013-10-03 19:23:48 UTC
Elliavir wrote:
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

I actually agree there should be a means to go after gankers. And frankly, there sort of is: You can put bounties, higher mercs, go suicde gank them, hunt them, out them on the forums, setup blacklists, and more.

The problem is, it is often hard to tell who the scammer really is, as you can easily run the scam on an alt and transfer the isk to your main guy.

As such, I proposed "Industrial, financial, and market analysis agents" to trace the isk back to the source, and thereby give you a proper target to attack!!!

Think locator agents that tell you where the money goes....


I would think the potential for bad data would be huge... how do you (or your agents) tell the difference between Mr. Scamalot transferring 100m ISK to his main and Mr. Scamalot giving 100m ISK to another player who has no idea of the source and is an innocent party?

There's a reason most countries acknowledge the difference between being an active participant in financial crime (being a fence, actively money-laundering) and happening to have tainted cash via legitimate means (selling your car for a fair price to a guy who robbed a bank).

'Follow the money' only works as long as you are also able to investigate intent and knowledge ... which is what real life investigators do and an in-game coded agent inherently cannot.

Edit - And I'd also prefer my virtual reality not be a dystopia where I have literally no privacy. I live in the US - I have enough of that in my real life, thanks.


Repetitiveness and Amounts would be an indication of purpose. And the idea of someone misunderstanding the information and taking their vengeance out on a third party is priceless!

Also, I agree some limitations would be appropriate, I'm just not certain where that line should be drawn. Furthermore, in-space swapping, and the like would still provide untraceable movement of isk if you really desire that.
ShahFluffers
Ice Fire Warriors
#80 - 2013-10-03 19:25:22 UTC  |  Edited by: ShahFluffers
My Dream wrote:
stuns me the amount of people who fully endorse un ethical isk making . the game prides its self on realism yet we have noway to punish perpitrators of a criminal act and it is criminal by any yard stick

You actually shouldn't be too surprised... given that the game is largely centered around being futuristic dystopia where the Wild West meets libertarian's wet dream... with everyone having the potential to become Ghenghis Khan they are so inclined.

How did you Veterans start?