Player Features and Ideas Discussion

this doesn't work anymore for the reason he explained: the server tick.

i do have, among other ships, a stiletto with 3k+ scan res, and back to a year and half ago, i was able to catch intys and pods on gates(low and high) around 50% of the time.

then an update hit, and this doesn't work anymore, a slight delay have been introduced somewhere, with the result being i'm able to lock but the point never apply.

and NO, this is nothing to do with wcs:

1- happen on pods / shuttles
2- happen with hictor + infini point

there is, 100% of the time, a 1 sec delay between the end of the lock and the module activation, so if the tgt warp during this time, you succesfully lock but that's all, even if you preactivated the point.
sometime, it even more weird, point is activated on your screen but not on server or tgt, so he warp, but event is registered and you still take the various consequences of the point, like gate guns / timers etc...

all this just because of the 1Hz server tick, wich is clearly not fast enought when it comes to interceptions of fast ships

it's being reported but as usual, ccp ignore this broken mechanic, now we will have fun, because with the reduced landing time on fast ships like inty, you will see inty / hictors just pop out of nowhere on grid with you, being already bubbled / pointed, du to the very same problem with server tick.

i tested it, was on grid with point on a BS while on the BS screen, i was not even on grid yet and just magically appeared a split second later, with point already established.

another fun behaviour due to this is that if you try decloacking someone, with a ship doing 4k+ m/s or more (like a dram or inty), you will sometime pass throught it without decloacking, because at "t" you are at 2k+ from him, and at "t+1" you are at 2k+ on the opposite side (t being server tick), so server side, you never entered the 2k radius required to decloack him, even if technically, you went throught (same goes for bumping indeed).

test yourself, take a fast ship (4k+ m/s), and just repeatedly go right in a station (full speed indeed).

sometimes, you will be able to enter very deep before being bumped back: that is because the server tick were too slow to register the "impact" of you vs station, and did it next tick, allowing you to go farther inside the collision model

another test can be done too:

take 2 ships and repetedly lock it (be sure nothing change on him like sig radius, and on you like scan res)

now lock / unlock 20-50 times and record the time required for each attempt:

there will be +-2 sec variations, because of the server ticks sometimes being right on time, sometimes not.

needless to say the impact is huge when it comes to catch things that can warp in 1.5-2 sec....

these are just a few, there is probably a lot of other cases where it can be noticed, these are just the one i've found myself and being able to reproduce easily, and have reproduced by others.

also i do have a very good connection, with 16-20 ms ping, so not my connection to blame

don't get me wrong, but this also will impact lowsec, less than null i agree, but still....

especially the "i appear magically on grid" part of the intys.....

tbh, FW are all stabbed pussy so.....

It's around 100 DPS, depending ofc on the balance of links and painting. Not enough for a solo Cerb to kill a MSE Crow quickly or to drive off or even survive a gang of ten Crows, but easily enough for, say, three or four Cerbs with logi support to cause some brown trouser moments and a rapid disengagement.

As I was saying earlier, the gang metagame in lowsec is very different than null. In FW lowsec alot revolves around plexes and interceptors can only enter small and above. Nullsec gang warfare focuses alot on bigger ships while FW generally keeps to frigates up to the occasional cruiser gang because of the importance of plex warfare. Because of this FW gangs are generally alot better at dealing with interceptors, while nullsec gangs have gang compositions that are more balanced class wise and therefore cant deal with interceptors as well.

As mentioned there's no reason to have frigs in none FW lowsec gang warfare since they cannot tank sentry guns. Instead you must resort to heavies forms of tackle like recons, HICs and tech 3s.

I'm talking generally here, you don't often see frigates in none FW lowsec gangs and that's for a reason.

Only insofar that no reliable counter exists. Join the lobby in the Interdictor thread to have the time limited smart-bomb fodder bubbles from dictors override any nullifier effects that CCP adds to hulls now (currently T3 and Interceptors) and in future.

As for lowsec, you are partially right. Majority of LS action is FW related so gate guns are rarely a factor but in FW the post-tiericide T1 frigs are a better choice overall and if T2 is fielded it is EAS or AF as one almost never have need for the 'specials' that interceptors bring .. rest of LS will be largely unaffected, interceptors are not used outside of shuttle duty, might change when links come on-grid and the super performing points/sensors on everything that follow is nerfed.

Maybe the HIC could get an anti interceptor bubble script..

The cyno jammer jammer could only be defeated with the cyno jammer jammer-jammer though, for balance purposes.

It slows them down enough to get them four jumps ahead of their gang. When you do that, you can kill them, get rid of aggression, and continue to run.

With nullification, you're not getting that much separation from the hostile gang. You're getting a jump. You can't clear aggression after killing an interceptor in time to have that little separation clear your ability to jump out of the system. Which means you get overtaken and it's loggoffski time after bouncing safes for fifteen minutes. Great gameplay.

Without nullification, they hit the bubble, have to accelerate to gate, you can string them out far enough that you can kill them and then still GTFO system before the rest of his giant f'n blob covers your out.

That's the difference. For a small gang FC, it's the entire difference in sov null.

People keep mealy-mouthing about bubble bunkers, but the artful change on bubble bunkers would be restricting bubble anchoring to 40-50km off a gate... as they already have such restrictions with Giant Secure Containers.



That's just an arms race. Creating a counter that doesn't need to exist is just messy development. Interceptors do not benefit from nullification outside of bubble bunkers. Get rid of the ability to bubble bunker a system and you buff EVERY ship in the game, including DIC's and HIC pilots. A simple, artful change, rather than some messy BS.