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Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#1581 - 2013-10-10 16:11:09 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Rroff wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

It doesn't have combat capabilities. It can defend itself adequately against rats, that's all. It can put out, what, 75 dps (estimated, I am at work or I'd check) from it's unbonused drones?


99dps with T2 Hobs - with DDAs can put it upto 146 in a semi sensbile fit so its got a fair bit of teeth.

Kind of like it as it is - though I'd like to see it get a bonus to amarr drone damage so we see a bit of flavor in drones used and also acolytes have fairly decent tank, speed and tracking but lack for damage so with a bonus (say a static 50% bonus to amarr drone damage) that brought them up very slightly above unbonused hobs it would give the astero some nice but not OP combat ability.


Ah, yes, T2 hobs. I was in the neighborhood at least. Not too shabby for a guy with a 101 fever lol.

Ok, so you can pump it up to about 145 in a "semi sensible" fit? Curious as to what this fit might be, and how much tank it has overall as well.

I agree with your second point, kinda. I would just prefer to see drones get reworked completely, from the ground up. They are the mechanic more than anything else in this game that shows it's age. That way, we can actually have a legitimate reason to use the other two race's drones, and maybe we can make the overall weapon system less of a cluster****.


Was probably thinking some kind of shield tank with about ~7.5k EHP and dcu+nano (yeah I know - needs it for the speed though) + 2x dda. I'm not really a frig pilot though so I'm sure theres people a lot more experienced with those fits.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#1582 - 2013-10-10 16:48:50 UTC
oops, someone already said this Blink

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Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1583 - 2013-10-10 17:55:02 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ah, yes, T2 hobs. I was in the neighborhood at least. Not too shabby for a guy with a 101 fever lol.

Ok, so you can pump it up to about 145 in a "semi sensible" fit? Curious as to what this fit might be, and how much tank it has overall as well.

I agree with your second point, kinda. I would just prefer to see drones get reworked completely, from the ground up. They are the mechanic more than anything else in this game that shows it's age. That way, we can actually have a legitimate reason to use the other two race's drones, and maybe we can make the overall weapon system less of a cluster****.

You know nothing about frigate warfare do you ?

In a frigate duel, all that matter is damage projection and control. The Stratios have a full flight of drones (unbonused is the norm for frigate, because that would be OP otherwise). The 99dps of HobgobII, because they can be projected to scram range, put the Stratios to a high grade dps at this range (few frigates can project that much at scram range), and it largely have the place for a DDA to push it higher. Then you have the 4 mid slots to control whatever you want. And finaly, a huge armor tank to outlast the ennemy if it's needed.

That's not more OP than a Hookbill can be, but that definitely don't need anymore firepower.

For anything else, the 4/4 slot layout allow for a lot of versatility in fits, and the flights of drones allow for the flexibility of range. You can make almost anything of this frigate, and the cloak to it off.

I wouldn't say the Astero is OP, I don't think so, but it definitely don't need anything more. We just hit the place for a pirate frigate I think.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1584 - 2013-10-10 18:43:55 UTC
Quote:
In a frigate duel, all that matter is damage projection and control. The Stratios have a full flight of drones (unbonused is the norm for frigate, because that would be OP otherwise). The 99dps of HobgobII, because they can be projected to scram range, put the Stratios to a high grade dps at this range (few frigates can project that much at scram range), and it largely have the place for a DDA to push it higher. Then you have the 4 mid slots to control whatever you want. And finaly, a huge armor tank to outlast the ennemy if it's needed.


If ANY of that is true about drones then why is the Worm not a top tier frigate? They're damn near the same ship, after all, unbonused light drones and everything.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1585 - 2013-10-10 19:04:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Bouh Revetoile
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If ANY of that is true about drones then why is the Worm not a top tier frigate? They're damn near the same ship, after all, unbonused light drones and everything.


Because the Worm have a shield resist bonus you'll lose if you armor tank, don't have any drone bonus but the obsolete drone bay one, and because the Tristan have close to the same performances. And finaly, the Worm don't have any special feature to justify its pirate frigate price. (And it's slow to top it off).

Yet it's not really bad, but not good enough for its price.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#1586 - 2013-10-10 19:16:09 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If ANY of that is true about drones then why is the Worm not a top tier frigate? They're damn near the same ship, after all, unbonused light drones and everything.


Because the Worm have a shield resist bonus you'll lose if you armor tank, don't have any drone bonus but the obsolete drone bay one, and because the Tristan have close to the same performances. And finaly, the Worm don't have any special feature to justify its pirate frigate price. (And it's slow to top it off).

Yet it's not really bad, but not good enough for its price.


Ok, and that just goes to show that the Astero doesn't even measure up (which is the point I was trying to make in the first place). The Worm has, if anything, a better tanking bonus, while the Tristan has vastly better damage output. (in the whole school of thought of "kill them before they kill me" I'd rate the Tristan as the best out of the 3 frigates in question)

And neither of them are considered top tier frigates.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Deviant X
Deviant Inc
#1587 - 2013-10-10 19:23:16 UTC
A rough estimated dps with drones: 162 dps with around 649 volley. Hob II's.

Drone interfacing V
Gallente Specialization IV
Combat Drone V.

If you took the frigate and put in 3 x Drone Damage Amp's II's you would have plenty of pg/cpu for a buffer shield tank/rigs. Lots of flexibility

I'd say that with some good drone skills, you will have some decent dps.

You can do very similar dps (more) with a Tristan. Tristan would lack explore skills and utility slots (of course).

Tristan will sacrifice tank or dps to get close. It has slightly more pg (a ton less cpu) and of course ... much much cheaper to buy and die in.

I mention the Fat-Man as a point of reference for combat ability.
Tyberius Franklin
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1588 - 2013-10-10 19:24:26 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
If ANY of that is true about drones then why is the Worm not a top tier frigate? They're damn near the same ship, after all, unbonused light drones and everything.


Because the Worm have a shield resist bonus you'll lose if you armor tank, don't have any drone bonus but the obsolete drone bay one, and because the Tristan have close to the same performances. And finaly, the Worm don't have any special feature to justify its pirate frigate price. (And it's slow to top it off).

Yet it's not really bad, but not good enough for its price.


Ok, and that just goes to show that the Astero doesn't even measure up (which is the point I was trying to make in the first place). The Worm has, if anything, a better tanking bonus, while the Tristan has vastly better damage output. (in the whole school of thought of "kill them before they kill me" I'd rate the Tristan as the best out of the 3 frigates in question)

And neither of them are considered top tier frigates.

If you fit the Astero like a tristan I'd think the damage output between the 2 would be rather similar, though I'm not sure the real DPS difference between 2 damage unbonused small blasters vs 2 unbonused small lasers.
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1589 - 2013-10-10 19:34:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Bouh Revetoile
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Ok, and that just goes to show that the Astero doesn't even measure up (which is the point I was trying to make in the first place). The Worm has, if anything, a better tanking bonus, while the Tristan has vastly better damage output. (in the whole school of thought of "kill them before they kill me" I'd rate the Tristan as the best out of the 3 frigates in question)

And neither of them are considered top tier frigates.

You understood nothing...

The biggest problem of the Tristan is that it only have 3/3 mid/low slot layout on top of no defense bonus. The problem of the Worm is that it have nothing more than a Hookbill but the price ; and it's barely more than a Tristan except for price where it's a lot more. To sum it up, the Worm doesn't worth its price and the Tristan is overshadowed because of slot layout.

Astero have none of these drawbacks. Its slot layout will be godlike. Its dps won't be really high, but that will be largely compensated by the cloak and the slot layout. And it will **** any Tristan because of tank and control. In fact, the Astero is probably already borderline OP and the not so high dps is the only thing which might keep it behind the line.

PS : a fit for the Astero would look like
cloak
laser

AB
scram
web *2

DCU
plate or reper
resistance
DDA/resistance/plate

Franckly, 100dps at 8km is close to laser or LR ships ; with DDA, you'll beat most of them ; and with control, you'll have speed supremacy to choose the range of engagement ; and with cloak, well...
Deviant X
Deviant Inc
#1590 - 2013-10-10 20:57:37 UTC
Two unbonused projectiles will give around 45 dps. Chances are, if you maximize drone dps, then you won't have the pg to put arties/rails/beams on the boat.

I imagine you'd get more use out of a cloak and energy vamp/neut.
Scorpionstrike
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#1591 - 2013-10-11 00:54:49 UTC
I would like a chance to give some new ideas for the soe ship such as,

Being able to use a cargo scanner to mark lets say one item you see inside a hacking site so that when the can ejects it could have some sort of glow for a few seconds you would have to keep your eye on it.



* I think another good tactical use for the ship would be the introduction of a Cloaking field module to cloak other ships that are very close by... i know that is a totally different discussion but it might be an idea, later on.

* Another consideration is will the Stratios be able to fit the siphon mini-base in its cargo hold ?
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1592 - 2013-10-11 01:32:50 UTC
This ship currently runs C2/C3s better than T3s.

[New Setup 2]
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer,Nanite Repair Paste
Centus B-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Relic Analyzer II
Cap Recharger II

Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Drones_Active=Ogre II,5

701 DPS, which is more than you get out of any T3 in a viable C3-running fit. You won't lose drones except for hobgoblins to sleepers if you know what you're doing, and you can carry tons and tons of spares. You can just run around Sansha/Blood nullsec with this, running any relic or combat sites you come across (data sites suck) and if you find a wormhole you can just duck in and run the sites in there. C3s with nullsec statics are almost always unoccupied so it's pretty safe too.
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#1593 - 2013-10-11 02:24:32 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
This ship currently runs C2/C3s better than T3s.

[New Setup 2]
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer,Nanite Repair Paste
Centus B-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Relic Analyzer II
Cap Recharger II

Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Drones_Active=Ogre II,5

701 DPS, which is more than you get out of any T3 in a viable C3-running fit. You won't lose drones except for hobgoblins to sleepers if you know what you're doing, and you can carry tons and tons of spares. You can just run around Sansha/Blood nullsec with this, running any relic or combat sites you come across (data sites suck) and if you find a wormhole you can just duck in and run the sites in there. C3s with nullsec statics are almost always unoccupied so it's pretty safe too.

Good luck applying Ogre DPS effectively with that fit.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1594 - 2013-10-11 02:34:53 UTC
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Xequecal wrote:
This ship currently runs C2/C3s better than T3s.

[New Setup 2]
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer,Nanite Repair Paste
Centus B-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Relic Analyzer II
Cap Recharger II

Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Drones_Active=Ogre II,5

701 DPS, which is more than you get out of any T3 in a viable C3-running fit. You won't lose drones except for hobgoblins to sleepers if you know what you're doing, and you can carry tons and tons of spares. You can just run around Sansha/Blood nullsec with this, running any relic or combat sites you come across (data sites suck) and if you find a wormhole you can just duck in and run the sites in there. C3s with nullsec statics are almost always unoccupied so it's pretty safe too.

Good luck applying Ogre DPS effectively with that fit.


To sleeper battleships? You'll apply 100% just fine and the BSes are what take the vast majority of the site time to kill. It might be better to use hammerheads on cruisers but that's still not terrible.
Arthur Aihaken
CODE.d
#1595 - 2013-10-11 03:44:50 UTC
Battleship specs yet?

I am currently away, traveling through time and will be returning last week.
Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#1596 - 2013-10-11 04:46:25 UTC
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Battleship specs yet?

I don't think I've seen any clue that there will be one, at least for now.

Future of T3 cruisers - multi-tool they aspired to be instead of sledgehammer they have become
Nevyn Auscent
Broke Sauce
#1597 - 2013-10-11 04:49:12 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Battleship specs yet?

I don't think I've seen any clue that there will be one, at least for now.

Nestor in the ship information tree under Guristia's on Sisi.
Description on it is actually a SoE Battleship. However stats are all still a clone of the rattlesnake & graphic is a place-holder graphic used for any ship without a graphic from what I understand.
Shamus en Divalone
The Clandestine Forge
#1598 - 2013-10-11 07:08:07 UTC
In regards to the SoE BS, I had this sent to me yesterday Big smile

http://i.imgur.com/Ol2fDPC.jpg
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#1599 - 2013-10-11 07:09:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
Arthur Aihaken wrote:
Battleship specs yet?

I don't think I've seen any clue that there will be one, at least for now.

Nestor in the ship information tree under Guristia's on Sisi.
Description on it is actually a SoE Battleship. However stats are all still a clone of the rattlesnake & graphic is a place-holder graphic used for any ship without a graphic from what I understand.


They've not yet finished the Astero and the Stratios is just a completely untextured model. I think they're waiting to see how the frigate and cruiser play out before they go any further on the Nestor.


Shamus en Divalone wrote:
In regards to the SoE BS, I had this sent to me yesterday Big smile

http://i.imgur.com/Ol2fDPC.jpg


Umm... I'm not sure, but I think CCP would have difficulty implementing a Vulcan ship into EVE without paying noticeable royalties.
Anize Oramara
WarpTooZero
#1600 - 2013-10-11 07:32:39 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Nevyn Auscent wrote:
Xequecal wrote:
This ship currently runs C2/C3s better than T3s.

[New Setup 2]
Corelum C-Type Medium Armor Repairer
Medium Ancillary Armor Repairer,Nanite Repair Paste
Centus B-Type Armor Thermic Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Relic Analyzer II
Cap Recharger II

Medium 'Solace' Remote Armor Repairer
Small Tractor Beam II
Salvager II
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher,Core Scanner Probe I

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump II
Medium Anti-EM Pump II

Drones_Active=Ogre II,5

701 DPS, which is more than you get out of any T3 in a viable C3-running fit. You won't lose drones except for hobgoblins to sleepers if you know what you're doing, and you can carry tons and tons of spares. You can just run around Sansha/Blood nullsec with this, running any relic or combat sites you come across (data sites suck) and if you find a wormhole you can just duck in and run the sites in there. C3s with nullsec statics are almost always unoccupied so it's pretty safe too.

Good luck applying Ogre DPS effectively with that fit.


To sleeper battleships? You'll apply 100% just fine and the BSes are what take the vast majority of the site time to kill. It might be better to use hammerheads on cruisers but that's still not terrible.

what is the resistsvlike? if I can replace my loki for running c1-3 with this thing that would be amaziballs.

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