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epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1161 - 2013-10-06 14:48:27 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
The almost instantaneous time between both of their responses blew it for him.

Methinks he doth protest too fast.


For me the first big clue was when he replied as omnathious on bouhs account lol. Oooppps.
Ah well in Ccps hands now Ip addresses will confirm.
We can at last filter out all that noise,
Nasty to impersonate multiple people to get your own way.Scamming and cheating in the game is fine but the forums are real world, there are rules, and standards of behaviour.
Ah well that's done now, we can get the ships we need rather than having things forced on us.



Can we explorers have our +10 Virus strength please. Roll

Hey CCP rise good news! You can now disregard half the pages in this thread! Much less work to do.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Jessica Danikov
Network Danikov
#1162 - 2013-10-06 16:02:42 UTC
The most important question is does the circular bit on the cruiser spin? It's not the same if it doesn't spin...
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#1163 - 2013-10-06 16:05:06 UTC  |  Edited by: Xequecal
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
So what is this then!
I am commenting on the exploration ship in the exploration ship thread. Mmmm
Others are commenting about combat in the exploration ship thread, this is a combat explorer .is it conceivably possible that we are both posting in the right place?

You are asking for a christmas gift. The only reason you gave for the +10 virus bonus is because it's an exploration ship. Yet people already demonstrated that +5 was enough even for nullsec. So we have your wishes and questionable allegations versus proven facts. There's nothing more to say IMO.


Define "enough." If you have access to T2 exploration modules it probably won't hurt you too much, as blowing 1 can in 100 instead of 1 can in 200 is an incredibly minor ISK/hour loss, even if it is double the cans blown. However, if you only have T1 modules, it's an immense nerf and makes the ship completely non-viable. 30 virus strength can actually kill a mainframe virus suppressor, 25 virus strength is completely unable to even starting from full HP. 25 VS is also completely unable to kill a system core while virus suppressed, 30 VS can. 30 VS also kills firewalls, restoration nodes, and system cores in three attacks instead of four, resulting in 33% less damage taken.

You will probably lose one mainframe in three with only 25 VS, 30 VS is probably like one in ten. 25 VS means revealing a single suppressor is pretty much an automatic failure unless you find a kernel rot or attack vector to get rid of it.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1164 - 2013-10-06 16:10:33 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
So what is this then!
I am commenting on the exploration ship in the exploration ship thread. Mmmm
Others are commenting about combat in the exploration ship thread, this is a combat explorer .is it conceivably possible that we are both posting in the right place?

You are asking for a christmas gift. The only reason you gave for the +10 virus bonus is because it's an exploration ship. Yet people already demonstrated that +5 was enough even for nullsec. So we have your wishes and questionable allegations versus proven facts. There's nothing more to say IMO.


Define "enough." If you have access to T2 exploration modules it probably won't hurt you too much, as blowing 1 can in 100 instead of 1 can in 200 is an incredibly minor ISK/hour loss, even if it is double the cans blown. However, if you only have T1 modules, it's an immense nerf and makes the ship completely non-viable. 30 virus strength can actually kill a mainframe virus suppressor, 25 virus strength is completely unable to even starting from full HP. 30 VS also kills firewalls, restoration nodes, and system cores in three attacks instead of four, resulting in 33% less damage taken.

You will probably lose one mainframe in three with only 25 VS, 30 VS is probably like one in ten.


The user you are replying to has been reported for using multiple identities to spam his views on the thread, all the explorers seem to agree with you.the consensus is that plus 10 is the recommendation and the spammers views that 5 is enough is being disregarded by everyone.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1165 - 2013-10-06 16:42:10 UTC
Why is this allowed?

[Stratios, Webs are token EWAR]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Ogre II x5

A cloaky ship with 760 dps, 3 ewar slots and 55k ehp BEFORE res shift?

Seriously? what the ****?

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1166 - 2013-10-06 16:53:36 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Why is this allowed?

[Stratios, Webs are token EWAR]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Ogre II x5

A cloaky ship with 760 dps, 3 ewar slots and 55k ehp BEFORE res shift?

Seriously? what the ****?


There are lots of good suggestions in the thread that would help keep this more focused on the role as an exploration ship,that balance it's power as a pve fit whilst avoiding the more extreme PvP fits, if you have any good ideas that would assist in this balancing, I am sure that tomorrow being Monday Ccp Rise will take them into account too.

There are some extreme posts spammed in the thread,but those I feel confident may be cleaned off by the morning .

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Cselle
Perkone
Caldari State
#1167 - 2013-10-06 17:16:51 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
I don't like the ship models, doesn't feel like EvE.

yeah maybe it does a bit like vulcan ship meets jedi ship. But this is EVE, each race has radically different ship designs (some of which bear vague similarities to ships in fictional universes) and the Sisters of Eve are going to have ships that look different than the existing ones.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1168 - 2013-10-06 17:23:45 UTC  |  Edited by: epicurus ataraxia
Cselle wrote:
Vaju Enki wrote:
I don't like the ship models, doesn't feel like EvE.

yeah maybe it does a bit like vulcan ship meets jedi ship. But this is EVE, each race has radically different ship designs (some of which bear vague similarities to ships in fictional universes) and the Sisters of Eve are going to have ships that look different than the existing ones.

Personally, I love the Cruiser, and the frigate,is nicely different, I am really looking forward to hopefully exploring everywhere with these.This may be the best expansion yet.
"The explorers are excited"

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Commander A9
Aurora University
#1169 - 2013-10-06 17:31:45 UTC
Sisters of EVE are an international humanitarian science-and-religion organization, according to their info panel.

I like the idea of exploration bonuses, but is there any plan to incorporate some kind of remote boosting or repair feature in some capacity? Like a bonus to repair modules or drones or support activity?

Recommendations:

-enable ships wobbling in hangar view (pre-Captains Quarters)

-add more missions (NPC fleet vs. NPC fleets that actually shoot)

-STOP NERFING EVERYTHING!

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Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1170 - 2013-10-06 17:37:15 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Why is this allowed?

[Stratios, Webs are token EWAR]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Ogre II x5

A cloaky ship with 760 dps, 3 ewar slots and 55k ehp BEFORE res shift?

Seriously? what the ****?


There are lots of good suggestions in the thread that would help keep this more focused on the role as an exploration ship,that balance it's power as a pve fit whilst avoiding the more extreme PvP fits, if you have any good ideas that would assist in this balancing, I am sure that tomorrow being Monday Ccp Rise will take them into account too.

There are some extreme posts spammed in the thread,but those I feel confident may be cleaned off by the morning .


Remove the ******* stupid covert ops thing from these ships and make them some other than a group of overpowered twatmobiles.

The Stratios could hold his own in a fight against ANY other pirate cruiser.. (Decimating most in fact) AND it has a cloak? I don't understand the logic behind giving a supposedly more rounded pirate ship the specialization bonus of a recon, its really weird.

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1171 - 2013-10-06 17:39:08 UTC
Commander A9 wrote:
Sisters of EVE are an international humanitarian science-and-religion organization, according to their info panel.

I like the idea of exploration bonuses, but is there any plan to incorporate some kind of remote boosting or repair feature in some capacity? Like a bonus to repair modules or drones or support activity?


I think they are being more focused on single player mode rather than fleet,but I am really not sure, I think people are a bit scared of mission creep, but so much noise in this thread i lost touch with what real peoples opinion was on this,
Something was mentioned about clouds of cloaky reppers, but not sure if that was a real person or one of the spammers.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#1172 - 2013-10-06 17:55:57 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
Commander A9 wrote:
Sisters of EVE are an international humanitarian science-and-religion organization, according to their info panel.

I like the idea of exploration bonuses, but is there any plan to incorporate some kind of remote boosting or repair feature in some capacity? Like a bonus to repair modules or drones or support activity?


I think they are being more focused on single player mode rather than fleet,but I am really not sure, I think people are a bit scared of mission creep, but so much noise in this thread i lost touch with what real peoples opinion was on this,
Something was mentioned about clouds of cloaky reppers, but not sure if that was a real person or one of the spammers.


Why would you use a cloaky ship for missions? =/

Also there is plenty of broken PVE in this game, these ships are not going to significantly break it to be even worth talking about.

IMO, ships should be balance around pvp, and PVE should be balanced around that. But thats just me.


I'm most concerned by the addition of a high tank, high dps cloaky ship with a metric fuckton of ewar..

BYDI recruitment closed-ish

Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1173 - 2013-10-06 18:01:42 UTC
Xequecal wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
So what is this then!
I am commenting on the exploration ship in the exploration ship thread. Mmmm
Others are commenting about combat in the exploration ship thread, this is a combat explorer .is it conceivably possible that we are both posting in the right place?

You are asking for a christmas gift. The only reason you gave for the +10 virus bonus is because it's an exploration ship. Yet people already demonstrated that +5 was enough even for nullsec. So we have your wishes and questionable allegations versus proven facts. There's nothing more to say IMO.


Define "enough." If you have access to T2 exploration modules it probably won't hurt you too much, as blowing 1 can in 100 instead of 1 can in 200 is an incredibly minor ISK/hour loss, even if it is double the cans blown. However, if you only have T1 modules, it's an immense nerf and makes the ship completely non-viable. 30 virus strength can actually kill a mainframe virus suppressor, 25 virus strength is completely unable to even starting from full HP. 25 VS is also completely unable to kill a system core while virus suppressed, 30 VS can. 30 VS also kills firewalls, restoration nodes, and system cores in three attacks instead of four, resulting in 33% less damage taken.

You will probably lose one mainframe in three with only 25 VS, 30 VS is probably like one in ten. 25 VS means revealing a single suppressor is pretty much an automatic failure unless you find a kernel rot or attack vector to get rid of it.

You are saying that you want to do high end exploration without skills to do it. And you want CCP to help you on top of that ? Come on...

That's ridiculous...
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1174 - 2013-10-06 18:06:19 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Why is this allowed?

[Stratios, Webs are token EWAR]
1600mm Reinforced Steel Plates II
Damage Control II
Energized Adaptive Nano Membrane II
Reactive Armor Hardener
Drone Damage Amplifier II

Experimental 10MN Microwarpdrive I
Faint Epsilon Warp Scrambler I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I
Fleeting Propulsion Inhibitor I

Covert Ops Cloaking Device II
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Electron Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M
Heavy Ion Blaster II, Caldari Navy Antimatter Charge M

Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Trimark Armor Pump I
Medium Anti-Explosive Pump I

Ogre II x5

A cloaky ship with 760 dps, 3 ewar slots and 55k ehp BEFORE res shift?

Seriously? what the ****?

As I already said, you only have one more mid slot than a Navy Vexor or Ishtar. The Ishtar also have a lot more tank and firepower., and the Navy Vexor have better heavy drones, and I haven't saw you so scared when navy cruisers were rebalanced.

I guess it's the cloak thing who scare the **** out of everyone ; yet cloaky T3 exist for years and they are even less common than 100MN AB ones...
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1175 - 2013-10-06 18:22:09 UTC
Ccp rise, Tl;DR version.
There is concern amongst some that the fact this can be fitted in such a way that a large amount of damage can be projected at extremely close range, and that range can be achieved by creeping up under cloak and then ripping loose.
When you look at the balancing can you see if the damage is more able to be projected at PvE ranges, without removing reasonable PvP abilities?
Explorers are very very excited by this ship,and now the spammer issue has been addressed,
(A user implemented a determined spamming effort with multiple identities to cripple the ship for this role, and has been identified and reported for action)
very very strong concencus is for + 10 virus strength,
Interest in scanning is focused around core probe scanning, no one seems overly concerned with the levels you are suggesting,this depends of course on whether you are planning to introduce sites that are more difficuilt to scan down.Higher levels are more appropriate to combat scanning and expanded probe launcher so seem of less concern to the explorers.
There is a desire for a further high slot on the frigate and no one seems to object much.
No one much cares for laser cap bonuses and no one seems believe that they work much as a weapons system for this ships role.
Some concern about an exploration ship up against sleepers and the new drone AI so possible an amendment to drone hit points or drone signature.
Cargo bay is seen as a little restricted, particuarly if the cruiser is to carry a few space yurts and possibly syphons for a long duration mission.We don't know of course how big they will be and whether they are assembled in space or launched whole.

That is about it, we are all looking forward to your thoughts, and looking forward to What Rubicon brings.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Mr Doctor
Therapy.
Brave Collective
#1176 - 2013-10-06 18:25:20 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
I guess it's the cloak thing who scare the **** out of everyone ; yet cloaky T3 exist for years and they are even less common than 100MN AB ones...

Cloaky T3s dont do 700+ DPS, not even the Prot (maxes at around 500ish with proper fit and next to no range on that damage).
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1177 - 2013-10-06 18:26:53 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
Xequecal wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
So what is this then!
I am commenting on the exploration ship in the exploration ship thread. Mmmm
Others are commenting about combat in the exploration ship thread, this is a combat explorer .is it conceivably possible that we are both posting in the right place?

You are asking for a christmas gift. The only reason you gave for the +10 virus bonus is because it's an exploration ship. Yet people already demonstrated that +5 was enough even for nullsec. So we have your wishes and questionable allegations versus proven facts. There's nothing more to say IMO.


Define "enough." If you have access to T2 exploration modules it probably won't hurt you too much, as blowing 1 can in 100 instead of 1 can in 200 is an incredibly minor ISK/hour loss, even if it is double the cans blown. However, if you only have T1 modules, it's an immense nerf and makes the ship completely non-viable. 30 virus strength can actually kill a mainframe virus suppressor, 25 virus strength is completely unable to even starting from full HP. 25 VS is also completely unable to kill a system core while virus suppressed, 30 VS can. 30 VS also kills firewalls, restoration nodes, and system cores in three attacks instead of four, resulting in 33% less damage taken.

You will probably lose one mainframe in three with only 25 VS, 30 VS is probably like one in ten. 25 VS means revealing a single suppressor is pretty much an automatic failure unless you find a kernel rot or attack vector to get rid of it.

You are saying that you want to do high end exploration without skills to do it. And you want CCP to help you on top of that ? Come on...

That's ridiculous...

This user has been reported for using multiple identities to spam this thread. The accounts have posted repeatedly with the intention of giving the impression that a number of people hold a similar view.This has been passed to CCP for action.



There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE

Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1178 - 2013-10-06 18:31:35 UTC
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
very very strong concencus is for + 10 virus strength,

A concencus between you and all who agree with you. All others are malign spammers.

:D
You are simply epic !
Bouh Revetoile
In Wreck we thrust
#1179 - 2013-10-06 18:34:30 UTC
Mr Doctor wrote:
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
I guess it's the cloak thing who scare the **** out of everyone ; yet cloaky T3 exist for years and they are even less common than 100MN AB ones...

Cloaky T3s dont do 700+ DPS, not even the Prot (maxes at around 500ish with proper fit and next to no range on that damage).

Not true.

If you calculate the dps the same way people calculated it for the Stratios (overheat all guns and drones), then you have 630 dps with the Proteus.

And the Stratios don't have any more range than blasters. We are talking Ogre dps. And T3 have twice the tank of this Stratios BTW.
epicurus ataraxia
Illusion of Solitude.
Illusion of Solitude
#1180 - 2013-10-06 18:34:47 UTC
Bouh Revetoile wrote:
epicurus ataraxia wrote:
very very strong concencus is for + 10 virus strength,

A concencus between you and all who agree with you. All others are malign spammers.

:D
You are simply epic !



This user has been reported for using multiple identities to spam this thread. The accounts have posted repeatedly with the intention of giving the impression that a number of people hold a similar view.This has been passed to CCP for action.

There is one EvE. Many people. Many lifestyles. WE are EvE