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Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#2701 - 2013-11-16 22:39:31 UTC
Esil Da wrote:
In Singularity i find another Stratios, called - Stratios emergency responder - http://www.tinyuploads.com/gallery/view/RoZ1xY - his have 125mb/s.
BUT him i can't find anywere ............


In all likelyhood that will be the limited edition one. Remember they announced a special one as a Gift during a SomerBlink Blast (probably will see more given out beyond that, but that was the first)

I still want my 5th Drone, even if it means lowering the Drone Damage Bonus :( It's just wrong to have a droneboat that doesn't field 5 Heavy/Sentry.
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#2702 - 2013-11-16 22:57:04 UTC
So, this has probably been covered but will the stratios be able to handle low sec DED sites? Also, did I read somewhere that 3/10 and 4/10 DED sites are being added to low sec? I'm really hoping that any changes to drone damage/bandwidth will not have impacted too heavily on the use of this ship in low DEDs or I will just end up not bothering with this ship.
Kagura Nikon
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2703 - 2013-11-16 23:09:45 UTC
Accordign to CCP they tested adn were able to run 6/10

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Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#2704 - 2013-11-16 23:12:33 UTC
I did hear that. I'm just wondering whether this was before they reduced the bandwidth. What?
Cheng Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2705 - 2013-11-16 23:25:26 UTC
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Accordign to CCP they tested adn were able to run 6/10

Sure if i would have some of the dev modules or tons of officer modules i could pull that of aswell. But if you come up with a T2 fit you are screwed.
Tzar Sinak
Mythic Heights
#2706 - 2013-11-16 23:31:12 UTC
The claim of running 6/10 sites was before the nerf bat.

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Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#2707 - 2013-11-16 23:41:13 UTC
Thanks for confirming. Guessing I won't be bothering with the stratios after all then.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2708 - 2013-11-16 23:59:01 UTC
Posting to confirm that a fully-T2-fitted Stratios is able to successfully complete 5/10s. Or at least it completed the 5/10 I found.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2709 - 2013-11-17 00:16:40 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Posting to confirm that a fully-T2-fitted Stratios is able to successfully complete 5/10s. Or at least it completed the 5/10 I found.

What faction was it against?

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2710 - 2013-11-17 02:37:34 UTC
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Posting to confirm that a fully-T2-fitted Stratios is able to successfully complete 5/10s. Or at least it completed the 5/10 I found.

What faction was it against?


Rogue Drones.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#2711 - 2013-11-17 03:33:50 UTC
I'm curious as to how the pricing structure for these ships came about. Currently there is only 1 location you can buy these ships for LP at the cheaper price and it is smack bang in the middle of goon space.

There was a rumour of 2 more agents being added but as they are not mentioned in the upcoming patch notes thought I'd ask.

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Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#2712 - 2013-11-17 04:00:44 UTC
Even with the nerf to bandwith I'm pretty sure that the Stratios will still be able to do all the 6/10 DEDs, didn't test it on Sisi but the stats are similar to an Ishtar that I have used for those sites.
Esil Da
Doomheim
#2713 - 2013-11-17 06:48:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Esil Da
Kagura Nikon wrote:
Accordign to CCP they tested adn were able to run 6/10


Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Omnathious Deninard wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Posting to confirm that a fully-T2-fitted Stratios is able to successfully complete 5/10s. Or at least it completed the 5/10 I found.

What faction was it against?


Rogue Drones.


You can do everything, nothing is impossible, but at what price he is going on? if not hurry,possible clean and with very weak ship, BUT for that need: all experience what you have, incredible risk lost the ship(CCP tested with maybe 1000isk, you go with ship/modules cost over 300mil. For easy clean need better ship, no time for wasting (if you long time clean the DED, you reduced down chanses get better profit from exploration(because empty DED is more than full, and every patch that chanse is reduced down by CCP(lower drop or very cheap drop)), for higest than 4/10DED), many rewarps and many time. How you think clean WH sleepers i don't know absolutely. DED over 4/10 can be find only in low &null/sec systems, with these "child plays" pirates you hunt fast and easy Pirate pif paff = wreck UghCry

Stratus focus using is lasers, lasers has only EM/Thermal damage type, that good only to:
Sansha nations, Drones & Sleepers. From this list sleepers can remove, because with this Stratus you can't run theys, sleepers has incredible aggro to drones, you lost theys tons before finish one lowest strengh anomaly in WH, if not solo grab Falcon/Scorpion(for jamming sleepers). Solo explorers i think is more(because sharing so poor reward, i am not see sense), than explorers fleet(using alt account can only WH/Nullsec, Hi/low sec rewards is too weak, plus PLEX raised price)
Only Minmatar and Caldari have all damage types and COMPATIBLE CLEAN DEDs
So, stratus is not only that there is weak in every sense, but does not have and damage type when need. Result = Guristas, Serpentis & Angel cartel type NPC YOU hit with lower dps(If change galente drones to other, theys have lower dps too).

Best loot is only in WH(This time about wh drop, do not know very many, only know fact: about 1-2years ago after CCP changes about 150(3corps; This is only quantities as I know(because they friends), others i do not know), leaved C5, because CCP reduced drop) Guristas, Serpentis & Angel cartel DED's
And what need think?? CCP wants peoples sent cleaning to not useful DED's, OR clean others with reduced DPS from weak Stratus DPS.
I write before, Stratus normal usage is in UNDER 4/10 DED's best choice for newbies or who run thats sites. Not remember when, but after "CCP upgrade", with T3 can't clean 4/10, but with other Cruisers OR BC can fly in(T3 is cruiser). Such action is common sense incomprehensible, again that is for money or is incompetent???

Personally, I will take the Tengu with mobile structure (that will be universal tool for exploration(before was problem with DPS & safety, now can fit what you want anywere (thanks a lot for developers, this is realy incredible help)). These "new ships" i leave for newbies, if it is intended for beginners. For PvP can use too ...

CCP thinking, a lot of players are wasting time means less to earn, they more buy PLEX'es will be higher profits, with that thinking they: minimizing chances of finding, reduce loot value, creating problems in the exploration(same like not access with t3 4/10 DED).
But they did not think that such action is to knock down a wish, do that absolutely.
After this action, seeking ways to entice players all sorts of useless stuff, which also try foist to us, for our money
More expensive shipwrecks & destroyed module, is more profit, with this thinking coming all patches
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2714 - 2013-11-17 08:53:48 UTC
Quote:
Stratus focus using is lasers, lasers has only EM/Thermal damage type, that good only to:
Sansha nations, Drones & Sleepers. From this list sleepers can remove, because with this Stratus you can't run theys, sleepers has incredible aggro to drones, you lost theys tons before finish one lowest strengh anomaly in WH, if not solo grab Falcon/Scorpion(for jamming sleepers). Solo explorers i think is more(because sharing so poor reward, i am not see sense), than explorers fleet(using alt account can only WH/Nullsec, Hi/low sec rewards is too weak, plus PLEX raised price)


The only drones you'll lose in C2/C3 sites if you know what you're doing are Hobs, and you can carry tons and tons of spares for those.
Esil Da
Doomheim
#2715 - 2013-11-17 09:24:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Esil Da
Xequecal wrote:
Quote:
Stratus focus using is lasers, lasers has only EM/Thermal damage type, that good only to:
Sansha nations, Drones & Sleepers. From this list sleepers can remove, because with this Stratus you can't run theys, sleepers has incredible aggro to drones, you lost theys tons before finish one lowest strengh anomaly in WH, if not solo grab Falcon/Scorpion(for jamming sleepers). Solo explorers i think is more(because sharing so poor reward, i am not see sense), than explorers fleet(using alt account can only WH/Nullsec, Hi/low sec rewards is too weak, plus PLEX raised price)


The only drones you'll lose in C2/C3 sites if you know what you're doing are Hobs, and you can carry tons and tons of spares for those.



(can't corectly translate and understand your post) If your experience allows them to use there then good. But I do not think that patriotic masochistic act worthy that (only for the use of "specialized" ship). I write before, price Stratus very close to T3, defence and offensive incredibly different. WH, Low & Hi/sec are dangerous systems, if you do not work fast, you DIE. If not from NPC, DIE from peoples. For this risk try grab few less expensive loot is stupid, but get adrenalin Big smileCool
Better hunt with Stratus another Stratus(fun+Loot was better) ArrowPirate
Shade Alidiana
PROSPERO Corporation
#2716 - 2013-11-17 14:59:59 UTC
Would still be nice to have 50% scan strength bonus.
Cheng Musana
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#2717 - 2013-11-17 15:02:10 UTC
I think with the upcoming mobile depot and T3 refit in space we can agree that a T3 will be much more capable for exploration then the stratios. Sure you need more SP to fly it but you are granted to be actually capable to do sites. Seriously who is going to buy a stratios if they can fly a T3 for the same reason? have a cloaked exploration fit with interdiction nullified for relic/data sites and if you find a decent combat site refit in a safespot.
Xequecal
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#2718 - 2013-11-17 15:15:05 UTC
Cheng Musana wrote:
I think with the upcoming mobile depot and T3 refit in space we can agree that a T3 will be much more capable for exploration then the stratios. Sure you need more SP to fly it but you are granted to be actually capable to do sites. Seriously who is going to buy a stratios if they can fly a T3 for the same reason? have a cloaked exploration fit with interdiction nullified for relic/data sites and if you find a decent combat site refit in a safespot.


Yeah, T3s are always going to be better PvE platforms. You can fly around in a covert nullified Tengu with four cargo expanders, probe launcher, relic/data analyzers, salvagers, and tractor beams. Then when you find some PvE content to kill, just refit to your 6x HAM config, go run it, and then if you need to salvage just switch back and go salvage.

Stratios is a pure PvP gank boat at this point, because nothing makes up for being able to uncloak on top of people.
Naxirian
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#2719 - 2013-11-17 17:41:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Naxirian
So..... been fiddling around with setups.... I can't believe how overpowered these ships are for PvP purposes. You can get a Stratios to 700-800 dps with 50k EHP *and* a covert ops cloak. I believe we just witnessed the death of all the other PvP cruisers. There's simply no reason to use them, ever, if you can get hold of one of these. They're superior in combat *and* they can cloak. The Stratios needs seriously looking at. Even the Astero can do 150 dps and have just under 10k EHP, with a covert ops cloak. That's just ridiculously OP.

Given the SoE's peaceful intentions they should remove the ability to fit warp disruptors/scramblers to them or something, to prevent them from being used as solo-wtf-fu-pwnmobiles in PvP, but still capable of defending themselves. Right now they're basically mediocre exploration ships (the Stratios doesn't have a particularly impressive active tank, which is required for sites like the Angel Minor Annex), with *incredible* PvP abilities. Which is wrong.

They could have used an active tank bonus instead of a buffer tank bonus. I don't understand why they got a buffer bonus for a ship intended for PvE and exploration. Surely an active tank rep amount bonus would have been more beneficial for it's intended role. Instead it has a resist bonus, turning it into a monster buffer tank for a cruiser sized ship. It's essentially a gank Thorax with almost double the EHP and a cloaking device.

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Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#2720 - 2013-11-17 18:09:06 UTC
Naxirian wrote:
So..... been fiddling around with setups.... I can't believe how overpowered these ships are for PvP purposes. You can get a Stratios to 700-800 dps with 50k EHP *and* a covert ops cloak. I believe we just witnessed the death of all the other PvP cruisers. There's simply no reason to use them, ever, if you can get hold of one of these. They're superior in combat *and* they can cloak. The Stratios needs seriously looking at. Even the Astero can do 150 dps and have just under 10k EHP, with a covert ops cloak. That's just ridiculously OP.

Given the SoE's peaceful intentions they should remove the ability to fit warp disruptors/scramblers to them or something, to prevent them from being used as solo-wtf-fu-pwnmobiles in PvP, but still capable of defending themselves. Right now they're basically mediocre exploration ships with incredible PvP abilities. Which is wrong.


I feel that this really should be looked at by the powers that be. These should be seen as primarily exploration ships and as Nax says, it looks like they will be pretty mediocre in that role. Come on guys...you've still got a couple of days to tweek these ships. Stick the extra drone bandwidth back on the stratios at least! If these could be seens as viable ships for low sec exploration, which I believe they aren't really at the moment, then your plans to get more people out of high sec might actually work!