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sabastyian
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#2681 - 2013-11-15 06:43:29 UTC  |  Edited by: sabastyian
Few fits i worked up....
http://i.imgur.com/tYYlqa6.png nano shield with my skills ( 98-99% effective )
http://i.imgur.com/vHo22Sg.png covert ops hot dropping ( read text box )
http://i.imgur.com/AGZcutv.png highest dps fit you can get with armor tank ( still less then a navy vexor.... )
http://i.imgur.com/E4ubaj5.png navy vexor i threw together quickly for a reference about the damage the new cruiser does.
An auto cannon nano triple DDA'd SOE cruiser still does less then a navy vexor.....
Orionos Irvam
Enso Holdings Inc.
#2682 - 2013-11-15 12:09:32 UTC
So am I understanding correctly that there will be no bonus to cloak reactivation time? If you seriously want people who are not used to low/null exploration to give it a go you really need to sort this out. If they are going to be as pricey as many think it would be nice to have a 5 second reactivation delay.
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2683 - 2013-11-15 13:01:27 UTC
Neither ship gets to fit a covert cyno field generator: they are not pirate hot drop mobiles.
Neither ship gets a cloaking device reactivation delay reduction: they will require some creative thinking to use.
The Cruiser does not get a bonus to cloaking device CPU: you will have to pick and choose your modules well.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2684 - 2013-11-15 14:09:03 UTC
Rise, where are you? Giev bonus to laser damage, otherwise that range bonus will be more or less wasted. Peoples will fit hybrids, projectiles, neuts, exotic dancers, whatever and you know that. C'mon, after stealing that one drone for no reason, now is the time to do something good. Make laserz look cool.
Sasha 40
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#2685 - 2013-11-15 15:51:58 UTC
CCP, please return back "125mb/s" drones bandwidth, or change drones main offensive to gunnery or missiles main offensive, with damage bonus. Please STOP creating, not usable crap-ships!
Gila with 125mb/s and 10% bonus is "not overpowered", Stratus "overpowered", WTF???
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2686 - 2013-11-15 16:16:16 UTC
Sasha 40 wrote:

Gila with 125mb/s and 10% bonus is "not overpowered", Stratus "overpowered", WTF???

CCP is scared to release a cloaky Ishtar but they are wrong. Eve desperately needs one. Ask explorers, they know what's good for their business.
Inagua
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2687 - 2013-11-15 17:15:44 UTC
Dog voices do not go to heaven (proverb) LolBlink
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2688 - 2013-11-15 17:38:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alvatore DiMarco
Inagua wrote:
Dog voices do not go to heaven (proverb) LolBlink


I'm not quite sure what that means... but I would like to disagree, sir.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#2689 - 2013-11-15 20:40:28 UTC
CCP Rise wrote:
Quote:
I was just thinking that instead of reducing the Stratios' firepower by limiting it's drone bandwidth, you could give it the same bonus as the Astero - 20% bonus to drone hitpoints


Yep we thought of something like this also, but really it's much worse. Like others said above, the hp isn't nearly as useful on the cruiser, and it's a huge damage nerf. 50% instead of 20%.



i just find it odd that with less then a few days left this is the last word on the ships we will get from CCP.

its sad the ship got nerfed before anyone of use had a chance to fit it.

if they had waited they would have figured out its terrible pg would have limited the potential EFT dps.Cry

There are no stupid Questions... just stupid people... CCP Goliath wrote:

Ugh ti-di pooping makes me sad.
Hasikan Miallok
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2690 - 2013-11-16 00:11:22 UTC
was useful and of interest ... now crap after nerf


my guess at reason for nerf ... nullsec overlords applied presssure to CCP complaining that it would alllow highsec carebears to sneak into null and freak out all the locals
Dato Koppla
Balls Deep Inc.
Minmatar Fleet Alliance
#2691 - 2013-11-16 00:29:16 UTC
So far CCP has made second balance passes on the ships that turned out to be lackluster when released. Granted some ships are still not too good despite being rebalanced twice coughriftercough but I doubt this is the last iteration of the Stratios/Astero so stop complaining.
Kosetzu
The Black Crow Bandits
Northern Coalition.
#2692 - 2013-11-16 00:42:01 UTC
I guess we'll see how those who only play TQ adapts this ship when it gets properly "released".

Hopefully they'll see how odd it is with a 30 second recloaking timer on a ship with the Covert cloak. And I'd rather remove a turret slot for the 125mbit drone bandwith. Laser optimal is rather meh as well in my opinion, at least not a cap usage bonus, but range... Might as well use another weapon system at this point.

You'd have to dock to drop of any loot you find at any rate, which limits the time it can stay out there unless you're only in it for bounties.
Taoist Dragon
Okata Syndicate
#2693 - 2013-11-16 00:50:01 UTC
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:
Rise, where are you? Giev bonus to laser damage, otherwise that range bonus will be more or less wasted. Peoples will fit hybrids, projectiles, neuts, exotic dancers, whatever and you know that. C'mon, after stealing that one drone for no reason, now is the time to do something good. Make laserz look cool.


You do realise that a range bonus is an effictive bonus to applied damage of lasers right? being one of the best damage projecting weapons in game a range bonus is a real boost.

That is the Way, the Tao.

Balance is everything.
Esil Da
Doomheim
#2694 - 2013-11-16 00:57:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Esil Da
Dato Koppla wrote:
So far CCP has made second balance passes on the ships that turned out to be lackluster when released. Granted some ships are still not too good despite being rebalanced twice coughriftercough but I doubt this is the last iteration of the Stratios/Astero so stop complaining.



We not complaining!, we talking about next one non usable ship, it is a big difference

In the EVE incredible many degraded ships&other stuff after "rebalancing"(are much more problems, but this thread not for that), please stop praise and subservience CCP.
Better lower dps from gunnary-missiles, than drone "EFT DPS"(large drones dies too fast, and where your DPS ??) 4x Ogre can use in close range 1vs1 PvP, no more .
After add aggro on drones, theys are problematic to use, and still reduce dps "will be very nice" . Next time(In new patch or expansion), reduce drones mwd speed, base dps, traking, tank and can drop theys to recycle bin, completely(I mean, completely buried this type offensive .) ...............
Result: Stratus tanking with lower dps and weak armor tank(not very bad, but weak)
Inagua
State War Academy
Caldari State
#2695 - 2013-11-16 01:20:36 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Inagua wrote:
Dog voices do not go to heaven (proverb) LolBlink


I'm not quite sure what that means... but I would like to disagree, sir.



Who want , that understand what i mean Cool
Shiruba Ryoutoshi
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#2696 - 2013-11-16 01:59:54 UTC
The only thing that I don't like is the laser bonus on the cruiser. I love using hybrid turrets and the bonus being there makes me feel like I wouldn't be using all of what ship has without using lasers.

I'd like to see either a bonus to hybrid turrets added as well, the laser bonus removed like with the frigate, or a weapon bonus that affects both indirectly.
Niena Nuamzzar
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#2697 - 2013-11-16 09:58:31 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:
Rise, where are you? Giev bonus to laser damage, otherwise that range bonus will be more or less wasted. Peoples will fit hybrids, projectiles, neuts, exotic dancers, whatever and you know that. C'mon, after stealing that one drone for no reason, now is the time to do something good. Make laserz look cool.


You do realise that a range bonus is an effictive bonus to applied damage of lasers right? being one of the best damage projecting weapons in game a range bonus is a real boost.

No.
Kalissis
#2698 - 2013-11-16 13:31:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Kalissis
All I can say:

Stratios - Eve Rubicon
Stillbirth
R.I.P.
Esil Da
Doomheim
#2699 - 2013-11-16 18:42:40 UTC
Taoist Dragon wrote:
Niena Nuamzzar wrote:
Rise, where are you? Giev bonus to laser damage, otherwise that range bonus will be more or less wasted. Peoples will fit hybrids, projectiles, neuts, exotic dancers, whatever and you know that. C'mon, after stealing that one drone for no reason, now is the time to do something good. Make laserz look cool.


You do realise that a range bonus is an effictive bonus to applied damage of lasers right? being one of the best damage projecting weapons in game a range bonus is a real boost.



When that talk simple player out of ignorance, is not very bad. But when that speaks developer, that is complete professionals misunderstanding of their work OR for money, to be totally disregard players. I do not have other ideas ...
I do not talk about balancing how it not needed, only this is a good work is done by the untrained practitioner or for moneys, such work does not make sense,only problems.
every patch with a large advertising and promises is given of worthless "gift"(many times, they are expensive). I'm not talk about everything in the patch, some changes is realy good(example: mobile depot)
Esil Da
Doomheim
#2700 - 2013-11-16 19:52:13 UTC  |  Edited by: Esil Da
When speaking about the design, i can tell only this: I could not understand why EVE Online
desinger is still working (this person completely devoid of fantasy, only some kind of
perverse thinking).Only few examples: Megathron - Bulldog without head, SOE amarr stations - Fish without tail, Raven - Raven fractured or cutted wing, possible talk and talk(need for that other thread).
I'm not talking about the stratus, it is just a copy with some changes(can't remember where i see original picture).
The astero, like at reduced stratus with sharp angles (work with axe).

When i see others designers job and when looking at these, lack of words.

This is good game, has its own nuance, but it totally spoils:
common sense baffled "balancing", 90% ships / structures design and gameplay changes (need for that other thread, just I'm tired to be Don Quixote ...
Many experienced friends/players left this game for that .. All latest years "upgrades", mostly focused to newbies.