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Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2421 - 2013-11-02 11:05:37 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Has anyone tried to blops bridge them yet?


Please repeat after me,
this boat is not for hotdropping, this boat is not for hotdropping,....

Both of them fit a covert ops cloak just fine.

The Astero drops a gun for the cloak, the Stratios doesnt but she lacks somewhat in the damage department.

I knew the nerf was premature.

When the ship was announces, I imagined a cloaky Vexor with lasers instead of blasters and what I have seen on SiSi yesterday was a little bit sad.

If you drop the armor resist bonus, you can make full use of the drones and shield tank the boat and (I really hate to say that) if you put 3-4 autocannons on you might have a chance in dropping NPCs a bit until you lost all your drones and have to get back home.

If you use lasers on the boat, they will get you not very far - 112dps with 34km optimal scorches. I imagine beams will be worse but with more range.

What I would like to see is a little more focus on lasers and drones in maybe a 45 : 55 split with lasers : drones.
I mean you already did it right with the Vexor and she is a 900dps cruiser and not op.

If you make use of the armor bonus you end up with a 580dps boat and all EFT warriors scream op, the end of the world.
BUT,
a 1000dps Vigilant is "fine" and a 700dps Cynabel is "fine" - both of them are not op??

Please think about the boat again and keep in mind that it is first and foremost a pirate cruiser, an improvement of an improvement of a specialized one.


Its all about the cloaks mate. Noone suggested even once that it was OP based on its combat abilities alone.




Bullshit that was exactly the argument.
Garviel Tarrant
Beyond Divinity Inc
Shadow Cartel
#2422 - 2013-11-02 11:26:22 UTC
Onictus wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Has anyone tried to blops bridge them yet?


Please repeat after me,
this boat is not for hotdropping, this boat is not for hotdropping,....

Both of them fit a covert ops cloak just fine.

The Astero drops a gun for the cloak, the Stratios doesnt but she lacks somewhat in the damage department.

I knew the nerf was premature.

When the ship was announces, I imagined a cloaky Vexor with lasers instead of blasters and what I have seen on SiSi yesterday was a little bit sad.

If you drop the armor resist bonus, you can make full use of the drones and shield tank the boat and (I really hate to say that) if you put 3-4 autocannons on you might have a chance in dropping NPCs a bit until you lost all your drones and have to get back home.

If you use lasers on the boat, they will get you not very far - 112dps with 34km optimal scorches. I imagine beams will be worse but with more range.

What I would like to see is a little more focus on lasers and drones in maybe a 45 : 55 split with lasers : drones.
I mean you already did it right with the Vexor and she is a 900dps cruiser and not op.

If you make use of the armor bonus you end up with a 580dps boat and all EFT warriors scream op, the end of the world.
BUT,
a 1000dps Vigilant is "fine" and a 700dps Cynabel is "fine" - both of them are not op??

Please think about the boat again and keep in mind that it is first and foremost a pirate cruiser, an improvement of an improvement of a specialized one.


Its all about the cloaks mate. Noone suggested even once that it was OP based on its combat abilities alone.




Bullshit that was exactly the argument.


Sorry, noone whos opinion is valuable.

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Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#2423 - 2013-11-02 12:07:34 UTC
May be a stupid question but as these ships a supposed to be exploration specialists, why is the calibration so low as to preclude the fitting of more than 1 scanning rig.
50 extra calibration is not going to help those wishing to fit them for pvp but will certainly open a lot of options for anyone wanting to use them for data and relic sites. +10 to Analyzers is far from OP for role (even with all 5's failure rate is pretty high) and with T1 bonus to probes, it leaves the ships in a place where they are not best choice.

Taking ship cost into consideration, at 30k LP +15mil isk for the frigate BPC that makes them around 1.5 times more expensive than T2 with nothing role wise to warrant the additional cost. The cruiser at 150k LP + 30mil isk BPC cost, makes it a costly investment, more so when you add T2 rigs to give it a better chance of survival.

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Crazy KSK
Tsunami Cartel
#2424 - 2013-11-02 12:11:16 UTC
after some testing I conclude that the stratios is in every way inferior to the gila in running 6/10s since it does less dps while having less tank the nerf soley hit the pve players since we have better things to fit in the highs then guns that cost so much cap as to prevent a proper tank

the covops cloak is hardly more then a gimmick since the warp cloak trick exists a gila can do the same with just a normal cloak
the probing bonus is kinda nice but a covops can probe faster so it equalizes when factoring in reshipping

Quote:

[Gila, New Setup 1]
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Shield Power Relay II

Large Shield Extender II
Large Shield Extender II
10MN Afterburner II
EM Ward Field II
Thermic Dissipation Field II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Salvager II /OFFLINE
Improved Cloaking Device II /OFFLINE
Small Remote Armor Repairer II /OFFLINE
Drone Link Augmentor II
[empty high slot]

Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I
Medium Core Defense Field Purger I

Curator II x5

610dps
233dps tank


Quote:
[Stratios, New Setup 1]
Reactive Armor Hardener
Medium Armor Repairer II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II
Drone Damage Amplifier II

10MN Afterburner II
Large Capacitor Battery II
Cap Recharger II
Cap Recharger II
Omnidirectional Tracking Link II

Drone Link Augmentor II
Sisters Core Probe Launcher, Sisters Core Scanner Probe
Salvager II /OFFLINE
Small Remote Armor Repairer II /OFFLINE
Covert Ops Cloaking Device II

Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Auxiliary Nano Pump I
Medium Nanobot Accelerator I

Curator II x4

488dps
194tank



Nerf it elsewhere ccp rise, elsewhere!

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Barrogh Habalu
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#2425 - 2013-11-02 12:16:54 UTC
elitatwo wrote:
a 1000dps Vigilant is "fine" and a 700dps Cynabel is "fine" - both of them are not op??

Don't forget that CCP didn't make it to pirate ships, erm, rebalancing just yet.

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2426 - 2013-11-02 12:36:06 UTC
Sgt Ocker wrote:
May be a stupid question but as these ships a supposed to be exploration specialists, why is the calibration so low as to preclude the fitting of more than 1 scanning rig.
50 extra calibration is not going to help those wishing to fit them for pvp but will certainly open a lot of options for anyone wanting to use them for data and relic sites. +10 to Analyzers is far from OP for role (even with all 5's failure rate is pretty high) and with T1 bonus to probes, it leaves the ships in a place where they are not best choice.

Taking ship cost into consideration, at 30k LP +15mil isk for the frigate BPC that makes them around 1.5 times more expensive than T2 with nothing role wise to warrant the additional cost. The cruiser at 150k LP + 30mil isk BPC cost, makes it a costly investment, more so when you add T2 rigs to give it a better chance of survival.


Pirate ships have 350 calibration.
Onictus
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2427 - 2013-11-02 12:38:52 UTC
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
Onictus wrote:
Garviel Tarrant wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Has anyone tried to blops bridge them yet?


Please repeat after me,
this boat is not for hotdropping, this boat is not for hotdropping,....

Both of them fit a covert ops cloak just fine.

The Astero drops a gun for the cloak, the Stratios doesnt but she lacks somewhat in the damage department.

I knew the nerf was premature.

When the ship was announces, I imagined a cloaky Vexor with lasers instead of blasters and what I have seen on SiSi yesterday was a little bit sad.

If you drop the armor resist bonus, you can make full use of the drones and shield tank the boat and (I really hate to say that) if you put 3-4 autocannons on you might have a chance in dropping NPCs a bit until you lost all your drones and have to get back home.

If you use lasers on the boat, they will get you not very far - 112dps with 34km optimal scorches. I imagine beams will be worse but with more range.

What I would like to see is a little more focus on lasers and drones in maybe a 45 : 55 split with lasers : drones.
I mean you already did it right with the Vexor and she is a 900dps cruiser and not op.

If you make use of the armor bonus you end up with a 580dps boat and all EFT warriors scream op, the end of the world.
BUT,
a 1000dps Vigilant is "fine" and a 700dps Cynabel is "fine" - both of them are not op??

Please think about the boat again and keep in mind that it is first and foremost a pirate cruiser, an improvement of an improvement of a specialized one.


Its all about the cloaks mate. Noone suggested even once that it was OP based on its combat abilities alone.




Bullshit that was exactly the argument.


Sorry, noone whos opinion is valuable.



Valuable or not they got them prenerfed, so meh.
Sgt Ocker
What Corp is it
#2428 - 2013-11-02 13:31:03 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Sgt Ocker wrote:
May be a stupid question but as these ships a supposed to be exploration specialists, why is the calibration so low as to preclude the fitting of more than 1 scanning rig.
50 extra calibration is not going to help those wishing to fit them for pvp but will certainly open a lot of options for anyone wanting to use them for data and relic sites. +10 to Analyzers is far from OP for role (even with all 5's failure rate is pretty high) and with T1 bonus to probes, it leaves the ships in a place where they are not best choice.

Taking ship cost into consideration, at 30k LP +15mil isk for the frigate BPC that makes them around 1.5 times more expensive than T2 with nothing role wise to warrant the additional cost. The cruiser at 150k LP + 30mil isk BPC cost, makes it a costly investment, more so when you add T2 rigs to give it a better chance of survival.


Pirate ships have 350 calibration.
I realise that, was just curious as to why a line of ships designed for a specific role would be left unable to use the rigs relating to that role. Bonuses can be adjusted to suit a given role, why not in this case a calibration reduction for scanning and analyzer rigs. The ships bonuses to scanning and analyzers are nothing to write home about. Give them a bonus that holds some appeal towards the role they were designed for and help justify the added cost of a pirate ship.

My opinions are mine.

  If you don't like them or disagree with me that's OK.- - - - - - Just don't bother Hating - I don't care

It really is getting harder and harder to justify $23 a month for each sub.
MeBiatch
GRR GOONS
#2429 - 2013-11-02 14:00:51 UTC  |  Edited by: MeBiatch
ok so i tried out the strat... and got to say. not impressed.

looks like the nerf was heavy handed...


edit:

honestly CCP when you get cover ops hot dropped it does not matter what you are in you are going to die.

infact i would like to die faster so extra dps on the strat is a good thing.

please dont over nerf the ship just do to one mechanic that ganrentees your death anyways...

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Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2430 - 2013-11-02 15:21:38 UTC
Still nobody has checked to see if they can be blops bridged?
Omnathious Deninard
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#2431 - 2013-11-02 15:23:36 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Still nobody has checked to see if they can be blops bridged?

I can fly a sin, but don't have anyone to light a covert cyno.

If you don't follow the rules, neither will I.
Powers Sa
#2432 - 2013-11-02 16:48:05 UTC
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Still nobody has checked to see if they can be blops bridged?

They can be, but they can't light cynos, so you can't send one ahead to scout for your blops, pve or pvp.

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Rivr Luzade
Coreli Corporation
Pandemic Legion
#2433 - 2013-11-02 18:52:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Rivr Luzade
Powers Sa wrote:
Alvatore DiMarco wrote:
Still nobody has checked to see if they can be blops bridged?

They can be, but they can't light cynos, so you can't send one ahead to scout for your blops, pve or pvp.


Technically you can: with a normal cyno if you can tank and bring rep power through the cyno as well.

Btw. (has probably already been asked, but hey): what is the justification to make the Statios BPC LPS wise so much more expensive than the other Pirate factions' cruisers? SOE are pirate factions based in 00 as Angel or Sansha and they have their cruisers at 80k LP/20M Isk. What's the reasoning for the SOE ships?

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Zircon Dasher
#2434 - 2013-11-02 18:56:44 UTC
Rivr Luzade wrote:
Btw. (has probably already been asked, but hey): what is the justification to make the Statios BPC LPS wise so much more expensive than the other Pirate factions' cruisers? SOE are pirate factions based in 00 as Angel or Sansha and they have their cruisers at 80k LP/20M Isk. What's the reasoning for the SOE ships?


highsec.

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Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#2435 - 2013-11-02 19:02:13 UTC
Tomorrow when I get of duty I'll go in sisi and do osme SOE ship tests.

Test Astero: All tests against T1 friagate, one faction friagte, one T2 frigate and one T1 destroyer. (all fights one on one)
First fit will be 2 guns and armor tank, drone mods
Second fit will be one gun and cloak, and armor tank, drone mods

Test Stratios: All tests against faction frigate, T2 frigate, T1 destroyer, T1 cruiser, faction cruiser, T2 cruiser, T1 battlecruiser. (All fights one on one)
First fit 4 beams, cloak, and armor tank, drones mods
Second fit 4 pulse, cloak, and armor tank, drones mods
Third fir 4 blasters, cloak, and armor tank, drone mods
Fouth fit 4 neuts/nos, cloak, amor tank, drone mods

I have close to perfect gunnery, drones and armor. And Gal/Aramm friagte/cruise to L5, so I should be able to test them well. I will let know how the tests go. If anyone has any other fits they'd like me to test please let me know.
Alvatore DiMarco
Capricious Endeavours Ltd
#2436 - 2013-11-02 19:52:53 UTC
Upon trying to fit a Smokescreen cloak to a Stratios today, I discovered that neither SoE ship is in the Smokescreen's "allowed" list. Is that deliberate, I wonder, or simply an oversight?
Thaddeus Eggeras
Urkrathos Corp
#2437 - 2013-11-02 19:56:03 UTC
It should be an oversight, send somehing to CCP so they fix that. I plan on using smokescreens too.
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2438 - 2013-11-02 19:57:40 UTC
Barrogh Habalu wrote:
elitatwo wrote:
a 1000dps Vigilant is "fine" and a 700dps Cynabel is "fine" - both of them are not op??

Don't forget that CCP didn't make it to pirate ships, erm, rebalancing just yet.


I know, I am not from yesterday. They haven't yet and I think they won't this year, maybe somewhere in May next year or like Blizzard uses to say 'when it's done'.

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Liesje Allister
Doomheim
#2439 - 2013-11-02 20:04:12 UTC
How come those ships designed for exploration cannot fit more than 1 scanning rig. What?

while having 4 lows and 20% armor resistances along with 3 armor rigs, the Astero looks more like a tanking frigate -_-
elitatwo
Zansha Expansion
#2440 - 2013-11-02 20:12:07 UTC
Powers Sa wrote:


Hey guy who doesn't pvp: Don't tell me how to fly a new ship. Next you're going to tell me they are not for combat.



I'm sorry what? Shocked
No, you are right, I have only ever been on the Forums and never logged into the client in seven years..

Powers Sa wrote:

Also if this is a cool exploration ship, what if i want to light a cov cyno and jump my PVE sin around a gatecamp to run plexes/sites?


Blackops is for hotdropping and bridging other boats with them.

My concern is, that both ships will be to weak for combat and no, the answer is not 'bring' more or call Goofswarm.

On another note,
did you try that boat out in a level 4 (four) mission in empire space?

I give you a hint, that boat will not survive or complete any of them.


Did anyone else notice by any chance that every boat in EVE will just suddenly appear near you with Rubicon?

Cloak or no cloak, any boat appears to have a cloak on and surprise you by just showing up out of nowhere.

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