Jita Park Speakers Corner

No, don’t bother with that elitist niche game business, you aren’t special because you like to pvp more than other people. Making it easier for people to grief other players, will NOT bring in the number of players that making it less easy to grief will. If that was the case, there wouldn’t any need for a discussion about the high-sec/null-sec problem as there wouldn’t really BE a high-sec/null-sec problem. Fact is, most humans like a safe haven they can go forth from and come back to and I don’t mean a forward firebase in Afghanistan. Let players venture out on their own as they choose. If they want to pvp as much as you do they will have to come to you anyway, yes?

Frankly I think making sure that high-sec low-sec and null-sec remain as distinct entities give different style players more options without in anyway removing the pvp, “it’s not safe anywhere” undercurrent.

Most humans DON’T want to fight and certainly not in any protracted fashion like in Vietnam, Iraq and Afghanistan. Most humans in the US would rather be Bill Gates or Oprah Winfrey than President Obama or the Chief of Staff of the Armed Forces and there is no reason to assume this will change in the next ten thousand years. Humans want to survive, therefore most humans will choose to NOT fight rather than fight if given a viable choice to do so. The cores of civilizations are SUPPOSED to be a LOT safer for JUST THAT REASON. This is what governments and military and police are FOR!!! Nations try NOT to go to war because overall wars COST money. Civilizations exist because the military and police give people the time and space to make money that can be used to fund that government and that military. (Those people are called “carebears” by the way.) Less safe means less taxpayers means less money for infrastructure and toys.

Use some sense and quit trying to force your wild, wild, west crap on a stellar suburbia that would never put up with it because if a gang really posed a threat and was assaulting their citizens and stealing their stuff, that sovereign government would hunt them down and fine, incarcerate or execute them as soon as was practicable, (barring corruption and other mitigating factors of course), not blow up their cars swat them on the butt and tell them “naughty, naughty” and release them.

We can’t reasonably simulate incarceration or execution but a sliding scale of fines based on standing and number of offenses could be a good money sink. Even so it is silly to act like the majority of humans DON’T want a relatively quiet and peaceful existence and WILL pay someone else to take care of military and police matters. There simply aren’t that many live players willing to do all the boring military/police peace-time things like patrols anyway.

You can’t throw civilization away just because you want it to be easier for you to mug people and steal stuff they earned so you can get a ship fix or make someone else’s game less fun for the sheer malicious glee of it. Real civilization isn’t like that and neither should be EVE. Go get a real job, the skillbooks don’t cost THAT much.

If someone in high-sec wants to stay in high-sec, mind your own damn business...

Get off my high-sec lawn.

I clearly said I was FOR ganking and piracy and therefore NOT against pvp.

There is no pressing need for ganking to be easier in high-sec and lots of reasons why it should not be.

Here's a cookie though...

Darn double post...

Don't need to prevent it, but disincentivising it might be an option. Sure, the police irl don't rush top the scene and instapop the criminals, but for some reason they still remain far more effective at what they do: deter criminal behaviour.

The reson for this is simple. Concord don't throw you in jail when they catch you, they don't fine you for your offences, and they don't take all you stuff as payment for damages done. The legal system in eve also does not allow the victim to sue the offender for all their stuff after the crime takes place.

I'm not saying that I think these things should be added, as at least some of them would be rather game breaking. But fines could be a good start. Lawsuits... well, I don't think so. Some amount of isk paid to the victim as compensation might not be so bad. Jail time? No way, that would be daft.

I know a lot of player say that everythings fine and no need to make highsec safer, it's too safe bla bla... but the fact is, eve has changed. Not the game itself, but the players and the structures they have formed. Many players have access to either large amounts of isk, or a method of obtaining a large amount of isk.

This was limited to very few players in the past. It has changed because many players have been playing for such a long time, and thus have gained knowledge of the game, and also a lot of SP that enable certain ways of earning isk.

It is because of this that the game mechanics must also evolve. Not for older players sake, but to give newer players a chance of survival. They are the ones that don't have access to large amounts of isk, and neither do they have access to earning large amounts of isk. In addition to this, they are also in a weaker position to defend themselves, not only due to the fact that they lack the skills, but they also lack the knowledge.

All players start out in highsec for a reason. One needs a safe'ish place to start out. For this reason alone I'm with the OP. This game needs new players as much as any other game.

I am guessing that you are still in denial that not as many people as you think want to live in the wild, wild, west...which was the purpose of this post in the first place...

The risk/reward ratio is biased towards high-sec?

Of course it is, THAT'S the point of high-sec...

It couldn't possibly be the ganking that would keep some people out of null-sec and low-sec...no way, man...

Because i can't make money in high-sec to use for financing my activities in low or null-sec, amirite?...

All the resources in null-sec automagically renew in null-sec and low-sec the same way as the ones in high-sec do. Null-sec is not lacking in money.

You have access to the same resources as everyone else. You chose to live where you live. Don't complain that others used more wisdom than you in choosing a safer, more financially sound base from which to make money.

You are complaining that the risk/reward ratio is worse in Somalia than it is in New York.

Again, null-sec seems to be smoking some REALLY good stuff...

Sigh...

Maybe this will help you better understand:

Eve can use quite a few tweaks and twiddles to be sure, but the idea of pushing/forcing/punishing high-seccers into lower sec areas and into higher levels of pvp is just bad business and fights the nature of a species the majority of which wishes to survive and procreate which is why they create governments and military forces and police forces in the first place...and try NOT to fight wars...and build cities that are mostly safe, not places for gangs to land helicopters and loot walmart at gunpoint and fly away or dogfight over central park with live ammo.

Just because some of the player base, (regardless of percentage), so completely embraces their inner droog, (clockwork orange), doesn't mean most of CCPs potential player base will, in fact it's highly unlikely they would.

Sell the advantages of going to lower sec areas. People like advantages.

If there aren't any you shouldn't expect people to go there.

EVE is a game. People want to be entertained. Sell the entertainment in lower security areas.

If there isn't any you shouldn't expect people to go there.

"Leave New York and come to Somalia!!! You'll LOVE it here..."

People basically want to change "Welcome to New York" to "Welcome to Somalia" and then complain about the poor tourist trade and how few people want to do business there.

People are basically complaining that the risk/reward ratio is worse in Somalia than it is in New York.

Of course it is...

Humans as a group DO NOT LIKE the wild, wild, west. Humans as a species like to pick their fights as much as possible. Carebears run most modern civilizations now and there is no reason to think they won't in the next ten thousand years. Most humans would much rather be Bill Gates than Vladimir Putin. Try starting from that position and deal with the realities of human thought processes. It will make game changes much easier to filter through and implement.

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actually nullsec needs everything from highsec but isk, high ends, faction and officer and PI

Ice ore and modules (faction) vary from region to region so either you get only one faction stuff, or none.

Highsec is a meeting place for everyone, and gathering place for loot. Of limitless number and variatys that do not come from one region alone.

Unless you can literally get everything you need from ONE nullsec region, and its practical and productive, you importing tones of shyte.

That includes datacores, research agents, NPC seeded junk, and well everything.


Though I agree that highsec ganking shouldn't be easy. Not all space should be player owned, (though could have more systems).

Exactly, this is why we have trading ships that are able to operate in high, low or null sec.

I wasn't talking about national pride, I was talking more about the somalis necessarily having chosen to live there, or having the option to "just move".

As for the rest, you've got the same topic going in two threads. I'm limiting myself to responding in the other.

well ccp is doing one hell of a job on the game and i have a few ideas for the game but more over the people that want to grief other player just because they get pushed around in real like and really the who thing is that the people what like to play for the fun of it get griefed all the time so really just keep the wanna be pvper in nul sec