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Calling all high sec people.

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Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#121 - 2013-10-10 17:09:40 UTC
Quote:
All being directed by their own intel they provide the system, the system will have checks in place to prevent false intel from ever being used in the decision making.


As a bit of an amateur coder myself, please tell me how this isn't totally impossible. You do realize you can't just wave your magic wand, say "computer code!" and whatever you want happens, right?

Oh, and if this is going to be so extensive and provide support to, as you put it,
Quote:
a few thousand randoms
in realtime as a pseudo intel channel, how are you going to host it?

I mean, DotLan updates in real time and it has to rely on donations to stay afloat, but it doesn't need near the processing power that your idea will. That'd be about $5k worth of server hosting a month just on it's own, nevermind where are you going to get the hardware and at what cost.

Oh, yeah. That is, unless you intend for the third party software to piggyback off the host process (in which case it violates the EULA) or to draw bandwidth from the user's computer (in which case, it could easily be flat out illegal malware).

So please, more details.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2013-10-10 17:14:03 UTC
I like the part where you want people to pay you to get rid of greed.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#123 - 2013-10-10 17:20:12 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
All being directed by their own intel they provide the system, the system will have checks in place to prevent false intel from ever being used in the decision making.


As a bit of an amateur coder myself, please tell me how this isn't totally impossible. You do realize you can't just wave your magic wand, say "computer code!" and whatever you want happens, right?

Oh, and if this is going to be so extensive and provide support to, as you put it,
Quote:
a few thousand randoms
in realtime as a pseudo intel channel, how are you going to host it?

I mean, DotLan updates in real time and it has to rely on donations to stay afloat, but it doesn't need near the processing power that your idea will. That'd be about $5k worth of server hosting a month just on it's own, nevermind where are you going to get the hardware and at what cost.

Oh, yeah. That is, unless you intend for the third party software to piggyback off the host process (in which case it violates the EULA) or to draw bandwidth from the user's computer (in which case, it could easily be flat out illegal malware).

So please, more details.


How am I going to make it secure against attacks of goons etc? API key, that is one method, other methods I won't discuss as to not compromise it.

As for hosting, I have thought about decentralisation but that would need enough active users and would also need careful planning, its not impossible though, no magic wands here, i don't play wow or something...
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#124 - 2013-10-10 17:28:51 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
I like the part where you want people to pay you to get rid of greed.


Trust will be an issue, I will try to deal with it but for now, bounties could be set, then number of times the client wants them killed, kill mail can be checked against current prices to prevent fraud, so 1 bill in the pool, 10 kills each kill pays out 100 mill, simple. You then of course need people to actually handle the isk to pay it out, that would be taken care of by myself as a test, if it works out, then I employ people to help handle this, they could also form the political body needed to ensure everything is handled in a professional manner and not just myself plugging in who ever I want, that part about just adding people to its kill database was a joke.

A voting system can be created, or a general political body can be formed for all of highsec, we can then decide who or what needs to be dealt with.

I know you're a goon but does this make more sense sir?
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#125 - 2013-10-10 18:01:03 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:

I know you're a goon but does this make more sense sir?

Oh, it makes perfect sense. Proceed with our destruction.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#126 - 2013-10-10 18:04:38 UTC
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:

I know you're a goon but does this make more sense sir?

Oh, it makes perfect sense. Proceed with our destruction.


10/10/13

remember it.
Victor Dathar
Lowlife.
Snuffed Out
#127 - 2013-10-10 18:10:52 UTC
Goons ruin everything

^^^ lol that post is so bad you should get back 2 GBS m8 o7

@grr_goons : Wisdom, Insight, GBS Posts

LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#128 - 2013-10-10 18:13:35 UTC  |  Edited by: LittleTerror
Victor Dathar wrote:
Goons ruin everything


No, a small number of people ruin it, so the problem is not as big as you make it out to be, it only takes a small team of people to deal with a small problem.

remember BOB? Small issue right? Took one persons actions to ruin them.
Black Canary Jnr
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#129 - 2013-10-10 18:45:04 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:

remember BOB? Small issue right? Took one persons actions to ruin them.


One person, with director rights, who happened to join goons. The whole thing was shear luck.

and since i doubt any goons will be joining your hi-sec scrub corp your only option is this:

join GSF executor corp.
Avoid being a complete noob for likely several years to even have the option of gaining directorship.
Destroy gsf and cfc (Only 1 group of null players)
Hope gsf don't reform.

So if you fancy spending years in null sec for even a shot at it you'd better somehow join goons and learn about those mysterious 'voice comms' people are on about.

Oh and by that time you would probably see how scrubby high seccers are and just give up your plan.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#130 - 2013-10-10 18:55:10 UTC
Black Canary Jnr wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:

remember BOB? Small issue right? Took one persons actions to ruin them.


One person, with director rights, who happened to join goons. The whole thing was shear luck.

and since i doubt any goons will be joining your hi-sec scrub corp your only option is this:

join GSF executor corp.
Avoid being a complete noob for likely several years to even have the option of gaining directorship.
Destroy gsf and cfc (Only 1 group of null players)
Hope gsf don't reform.

So if you fancy spending years in null sec for even a shot at it you'd better somehow join goons and learn about those mysterious 'voice comms' people are on about.

Oh and by that time you would probably see how scrubby high seccers are and just give up your plan.


Or I could just go ahead a and do as I've planned and enjoy doing it?

I don't think you get it, i hate nullsec alliances, joining one even if the intention is to destroy still means i will have to follow theirs rules and listen to people crying about **** I don't care about, so what were you suggesting I do again?
Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#131 - 2013-10-10 18:58:48 UTC
If we can just create a computer program good enough, no one will have to talk to another person again!
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#132 - 2013-10-10 19:32:27 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:

How am I going to make it secure against attacks of goons etc? API key, that is one method, other methods I won't discuss as to not compromise it...


I'm going to go ahead and tell you that I underplayed my hand when I said I had a little experience in this field.

And then I'm going to tell you that unless you use the kind of IP tracer that is highly, internationally illegal (for everything but government use anyway) on everyone who tries to log into your system, all day everyday (and even then, hello library public computer use!) then it is flatly impossible.

You won't discuss other methods because they do not exist.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#133 - 2013-10-10 19:33:52 UTC
Wait, no, I thought up how the OP plans to secure their theoretical nullsec conquering computer program.

Bitcoin.

Nuff said.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.

Johnny Marzetti
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#134 - 2013-10-10 19:38:02 UTC
It will be 100% secure because it will never exist.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#135 - 2013-10-10 19:48:32 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:

How am I going to make it secure against attacks of goons etc? API key, that is one method, other methods I won't discuss as to not compromise it...


I'm going to go ahead and tell you that I underplayed my hand when I said I had a little experience in this field.

And then I'm going to tell you that unless you use the kind of IP tracer that is highly, internationally illegal (for everything but government use anyway) on everyone who tries to log into your system, all day everyday (and even then, hello library public computer use!) then it is flatly impossible.

You won't discuss other methods because they do not exist.


Why would I need an IP tracer?

Each will player be manually added, their API key will be requested as a means to password their account, the account will be checked through the API for things which I won't go into, this alone will not make it secure but it will add a layer of security, there are a number of legit ways out of game to monitor and find any cross referencing alts etc. Besides that It can check intel against more than one source if it finds one discrepancy it will disregard it, there are ways, many ways but you're not thinking hard enough.
LittleTerror
Stygian Systems
#136 - 2013-10-10 20:04:12 UTC  |  Edited by: LittleTerror
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:

How am I going to make it secure against attacks of goons etc? API key, that is one method, other methods I won't discuss as to not compromise it...


I'm going to go ahead and tell you that I underplayed my hand when I said I had a little experience in this field.

And then I'm going to tell you that unless you use the kind of IP tracer that is highly, internationally illegal (for everything but government use anyway) on everyone who tries to log into your system, all day everyday (and even then, hello library public computer use!) then it is flatly impossible.

You won't discuss other methods because they do not exist.


And besides all that, "And then I'm going to tell you that unless you use the kind of IP tracer that is highly, internationally illegal " and "I'm going to go ahead and tell you that I underplayed my hand when I said I had a little experience in this field." made my day, cheers!
Minmatar Citizen160812
The LGBT Last Supper
#137 - 2013-10-10 22:33:01 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Plastic Psycho wrote:
Malcolm Shinhwa wrote:
Have fun stormin' da castle!

Think it'll work?


It would take a miracle.



No, you will not tell us how this game is going to be played out



Yes we will because the best plan you half-witted carebears can come up with is to design some kind of imaginary skynet program to FC and run ops. Roll
Angeal MacNova
Holefood Inc.
Warriors of the Blood God
#138 - 2013-10-10 22:41:59 UTC
LittleTerror wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:

I know you're a goon but does this make more sense sir?

Oh, it makes perfect sense. Proceed with our destruction.


10/10/13

remember it.


It's 10/10/13

Anything eventful happen?

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/goodnight-sweet-prince/

http://www.projectvaulderie.com/the-untold-story/

CCP's true, butthurt, colors.

Because those who can't do themselves keep others from doing too.

Falin Whalen
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#139 - 2013-10-10 23:16:29 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:

I know you're a goon but does this make more sense sir?

Oh, it makes perfect sense. Proceed with our destruction.


10/10/13

remember it.


It's 10/10/13

Anything eventful happen?

No, not really.

"it's only because of their stupidity that they're able to be so sure of themselves." The Trial - Franz Kafka 

Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#140 - 2013-10-10 23:33:24 UTC
Angeal MacNova wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:
Johnny Marzetti wrote:
LittleTerror wrote:

I know you're a goon but does this make more sense sir?

Oh, it makes perfect sense. Proceed with our destruction.


10/10/13

remember it.


It's 10/10/13

Anything eventful happen?


I for one, will remember this day as the day that I almost caught... Captain Jack Sparrow.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.