Player Features and Ideas Discussion

How about a leadership certificate? It would be nice to be able to show off the worst skill in game to skill for which is the Fleet Command level 5 skill that most people only trained to get the Fleet Co-Ordinator - Elite certificate.

Amarr Command Ship is missing from the spread sheet.

Also keep the rigging level 5 requirements for mastery 5.

Also Hull Tanking is missing...

I rate -5billion. New certs have a complete lack of Hull Tanking Elite.

Also to everyone saying things like "why do they recommend lvl5?", crack open a dictionary and learn what mastering something means.

RE: the Manufacturing Cert.

I might be missing it but I do not see capital construction anywhere.

Also based on effectiveness might I recommend moving Production Efficiency 5 into one of the lower levels for this cert. Possibly put it down at the level 3 category.

This is for two reasons, 1 is the fact that you really need Production Efficiency at 5 before you can start to really manufacture a lot of goods at a comfortable profit.

Reason 2: beyond Production Efficiency 5 you start into capital construction and that could be put into the last two levels along with outpost construction and the other ship manufacturing skills.

Also with the Science skills such as Graviton Physics I'm not aware of any reasons on the manufacturing side of things to have those skills all the way up to level 5. Yes you might have them at 5 for the research or datacores certificates, but as far as manufacturing the highest any of those need to be is at level 4 and that is for making advanced capital ship components, and the subsystem technology skills.

Yeah that probably would be a better placement.

I am still in favor of allowing users/corps to create and share their own certificates. Although I guess custom certificates wouldn't be much help to lonely noobies and I think this is what you're aiming for with this system.

CCP ytterbium and colleges atr trying to get the excellence award but I have to tell you guys, despite all the good stuff upcoming, welp, we're not there yet mkay?

Non the less, excellent. Keep the good work going on bases, on small like bigger stuff, this is the good choice.

Thank you very much despite at some point we might disagree on a little ' or , thing is, you're doing it right.

Now that it's live on sisi:

#2Posted: 2013.10.07 15:25 | Report | Edited by: stoicfaux
1. Certificates: Too much clicking.

1.1 Click Skills, click the Certificates tab, click to expand the Drones category, click the info button for 'Combat Drones' which opens a pop up window...

1.2 If you click on and expand the Engineering category, you have to click on a tiny info button (that is faaaaar to the right on a large monitor and thus somewhat non-obvious to see) in order to see the the details for say 'Capacitor Emission'.

Ideally, you should just click on a certificate sub-category and it automatically pops up the info for it, e.g. click to expand Engineering, click anywhere on the Capacitor Emission bar to get its popup.


3. Drones needs a sub-category for sentry drones and the EW drones.

3. Time to train. It would be nice to have a time to train on the Levels tab. I see the time to train on the roll-over popup, but a "total time to train" field would be nice. Having a 2nd column for time to train per individual skill would be peachy as well. So "overall time to train" and "column for individual time to train".

Ok, so the certs are going to drive me crazy - well my OCD crazy anyway lol.

Suggestions:

When looking at Mastery levels on actual ship hulls, I think it should also reflect your level of the ship skill - the idea that you could be showing a mastery level of V on an Ares, yet potentially only have Interceptor I... is kinda ridiculous.

Still on the Ares - Mastery V requires Targeting Mastery V - which requires Adv Target Mgmt V : given the Ares can't lock 12 targets - ever - why on earth should that be relevant? You need to actually reflect skills for the ship, surely. Things like Adv Target Mgmt levels above 3 should only be included on capital mastery levels.

On a similar note, Mastery V for a Vargur takes no account of the new skill requirement for the Bastion mod - it really should. In theory Mastery V on a HIC should require Graviton Physics V - being able to use the t2 infinite point. Mastery should mean just that.

ECM Mastery V requires Target Breaker Amplification V - which is a skill that only affects a single mod, that I find it hard to believe anyone ever uses. Sigh.

Tackling Mastery V only requires Navigation II - seriously? I'd have thought being able to catch your target was a fairly major part of the tackling role...

Core Ship Operation Mastery V only requires Mechanics III - surely that should be V, also Hull Upgrades V. Core ships skills (to me) are those which affect the hull before you fit a mod - which makes hitpoints important - be they shield, armor or hull. Shield Mgmt and Ops V should be in there also.

I do see that to put in this kind of individuality would be a coding nightmare. I do. But maybe Mastery V for an Interceptor should require Targeting IV not V? Or have a Capital Targeting Mastery including Adv Targeting Mgmt V - and leave it off Targeting Mastery beyond level III?

Also if you're going to put Rigging V skills into Mastery V levels, then might I suggest Jury Rigging IV rather than III, given you need that skill at IV to fit t2 rigs.

And, as has been said elsewhere, it would be really nice if the industry skillpaths could have more specialised Masteries - T2 production, T3, T1, Storyline, Capital etc etc.

I also miss the Turret Control Elite cert - missing the Mastery V on the individual turret due to leaving specialisations at IV, I can live with - but I did like the cert that acknowledged I'd maxed out all the gunnery subskills. Sad panda.

I realise I've made it complicated - I'm sorry. To my mind though, Mastery V of a ship should reflect that you'd taken the ship skills, the core skills and all the mod/rig skills to V.... for that hull type. You can make that super-hard with relevant skills like drone specs to V, gunnery/missile specs to V - but don't throw in stuff that bears no relation to the hull - like the ability to lock 12 targets for an Interceptor, and don't leave out important mod skills like the Bastion skill req for the Marauder, or Jump Portal Generation for the Black Ops.

Yep, I feel similar. Out of interest I checked a few ships and it seems like I have pretty much any Mastery in the game at level 1 only, simply due to not training all Sensor Compensation skills (as well as the MJD skill). Others I'm missing due to not perfected drone skills, but that's far more reasonable than the others. I guess the Targeting certificate should be split by race similar to how guns are split. Same might apply to Navigation: Create two certificates; that's not too much IMO, maybe even three (unless there are three already): Navigation (all ships below Battleships), Battleship Navigation (Battleship hulls), and Capital navigation (obviously everything bigger than Battleships; i.e. everything affected by Advanced Spaceship Command).

Almost all the ships require you to have skills that have nothing to do with that ship

To max out an executioner you need sensor compensation skills from all the other races and ******* micro jump drive.

This system seems to be flawed..

I'm ranked as 2 in flying a comet? Over my dead body!

Like i would list things that don't make sense, but pretty much every ship i've looked at has a requirement that doesn't make sense.


Edit: the way you made the certificates more sensible is great, But it doesn't really work for putting them as "Levels of awesomeness" on ships, because i really really don't need all ecm compensation skills to fly a rupture well... thats just dumb and confusing for new players.

Edit 2: I'm quite sure i deserve to be at least level one in using BC's even though i don't have warfare link skills, seing how i fly them all with maxed stats -_-