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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#41 - 2013-10-01 13:41:17 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
The whole point is laughing at people who get upset over meaningless pixels; not that they are mad in general, but tat they are mad about nothing.

The people who can't distinguish between a stupid game and something that actually matters are those with the issues.

Although I am not against it, you are making a very common mistake here. They do not get upset over pixels, they get upset over invested time, and time is real.

I disagree
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#42 - 2013-10-01 13:43:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Eram Fidard
Thread:

Internet Psychologist makes broad sweeping statements with approximately the same amount of rational thought as the half-rotten cucumber in my refrigerator crisper.

Butthurt Victims: Huzzah! Hallelujah! Witness! Amen, brother, speak the word!!

Everyone Else: Uhh....reality check?


Eve is a game.

Real Life is not.


edit: **** this was supposed to be a tl;dr...


The enjoyment that comes from the proper vintage of tears - as others have mentioned - is almost entirely a result of sheer bafflement. When I read chatlogs and evemails from scam stories, I stare on, amazed this type of ignorance, self-entitlement, and arrogance can even exist. Countless marks are deluded/lured/coerced into doing the most stupid things imaginable. Yet here you expect us to have sympathy for these idiots? Even after they compound their mistakes by crying/whining/tearing up the forums?

When ripped off or taken advantage of, the adult response is to cut your losses, examine your mistakes, and take steps to ensure you don't repeat them. Then investigate possible recourse. How are you surprised that people find it amusing when the 'average' response is actually one of hate-filled rage, zero self-examination, and shifting of responsibility onto the agressor? The 'victim' should be thanking the extractor for a cheap education on the ways of eve.

The funny thing about people is that if you give them what they need or desire, they tend to stick around in the hopes there will be more.

I learned that one in grade 3 from the schoolyard bully, a shame more 'victims' in eve never had that advantage. If they had, they might stop casting themselves in the same role, over and over.

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#43 - 2013-10-01 13:48:33 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
The whole point is laughing at people who get upset over meaningless pixels; not that they are mad in general, but tat they are mad about nothing.

The people who can't distinguish between a stupid game and something that actually matters are those with the issues.

Although I am not against it, you are making a very common mistake here. They do not get upset over pixels, they get upset over invested time, and time is real.


Time invested in stupid internet pixels.

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#44 - 2013-10-01 13:49:48 UTC
Eve online: far too real

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#45 - 2013-10-01 13:59:29 UTC
Mayhaw Morgan wrote:
People get mad about awoxing because IT IS WRONG!
Do you feel that taking pawns in chess is wrong too? After all, you're murdering innocent peasants…

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To declare people are mentally unstable for getting angry when someone WRONGS them is a pretty clear sign that you yourself are just a rotten person.
…but that's not what he's doing. He declares them mentally unstable for getting angry when they take an (easily rectified) beating in a game — especially in a game where beating the other guy through underhanded methods is one of the most advertised components of that game.

So, it's not particularly “sociopathic” to point out that people over-react to what essentially amounts to the other guy feinting right and then taking the ball left. Not understanding or following the rules of the game (and having this kind of emotional attachment to it) on the other hand…

Eram Fidard wrote:
The enjoyment that comes from the proper vintage of tears - as others have mentioned - is almost entirely a result of sheer bafflement. When I read chatlogs and evemails from scam stories, I stare on, amazed this type of ignorance, self-entitlement, and arrogance can even exist. Countless marks are deluded/lured/coerced into doing the most stupid things imaginable. Yet here you expect us to have sympathy for these idiots? Even after they compound their mistakes by crying/whining/tearing up the forums?
^^ This. What people want to call sociopathy is just the same curious fascination that fuels the entire reality show industry: the fundamental question of what on earth is wrong with these people to make such immense fools out of themselves — either by exhibiting their idiocy on (inter)national TV or by, in the case of EVE, exploding so spectacularly over regular and entirely predictable gameplay.

…now, if we ere to examine the behaviour of said exploding/exhibitionist parties, on the other hand, maybe that deprecated term would be a bit more suitable.
Mayhaw Morgan
State War Academy
Caldari State
#46 - 2013-10-01 13:59:52 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
No. [Sociopaths] do not possess the capacity. Which demonstrates why I told you that you seem to misunderstand the concept of a sociopath.


Did you cut them open and observe that they have no shame glands? Or did you measure a nil shame response with your shame-o-meter to a universally shame-inducing stimuli? Or did you magically become them right at the very moment when, if they weren't sociopaths, they would have felt shame, and, as them, experienced no shame whatsoever? How exactly do you scientifically determine that someone is incapable of experiencing shame?

I suspect it is similar to the way I might observe a parked car was not being driven and determine that it was "incapable" of being driven.

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
"Yo momma!" Really, you don't have anything better than that? In case you weren't making a real life threat, I will let you know that my mother doesn't play the game. But my wife does, if you'd like to take a crack at her. She's pretty good at ECM though, so you might want to bring some countermeasures.


How would proposing to awox your mother be construed as a threat? Even if I was proposing to do it to her in real life, in person, by your own logic, "awoxing is not wrong". Are you insinuating that awoxing is something bad?

Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
That presumes one would have something to be ashamed of. This however, is a video game. The inability to disassociate a video game with real life, and therefore acting as though actions in the game reflect real life, is a complete fallacy, not mention delusional.


So, there is nothing to be ashamed of because this is a video game . . . therefore, we need to disassociate our in-game actions from our real life. Yeah, just like in checkers, when I double jump and take two pieces, I always remember to tell myself "This is just a game." . . . WHAT?!

You seem to be experiencing some dissonance. If acting a certain way in EVE Online was nothing to be ashamed of, then you would have no need to disassociate it from your real life. Is it a fallacy to say that cheating at checkers makes you a cheater?
SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#47 - 2013-10-01 14:01:49 UTC  |  Edited by: SKINE DMZ
Varius Xeral wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
The whole point is laughing at people who get upset over meaningless pixels; not that they are mad in general, but tat they are mad about nothing.

The people who can't distinguish between a stupid game and something that actually matters are those with the issues.

Although I am not against it, you are making a very common mistake here. They do not get upset over pixels, they get upset over invested time, and time is real.


Time invested in stupid internet pixels.

Yes, however you want to put it, still time invested. Blink

As soon as you make someone feel they wasted their time, they will get angry, its inevitable and natural that happens to all of us at work, or at home when that program crashed without saving.. although yes that program existed out of pixels, yet obviously its not about the pixels, its about the time invested.

I can't believe I have to explain this, it's pretty obvious and really happens to all of us (sure deny it like a delusional nerd), I can already imagine the look on your face when that spreadsheet was not saved after hours of working on it.

I disagree
TheGunslinger42
All Web Investigations
#48 - 2013-10-01 14:08:30 UTC
J3ssica Alba wrote:
If you annoy someone irl there is a good chance that he will punch you in the kisser. Doing the same thing from behind your internet line just shows you are a coward.


The classic "you blew up my spaceship in a game that revolves entirely around blowing up spaceships, for this, I am going to judge you and call you names"

real mature, mate
Tandros Kreel
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#49 - 2013-10-01 14:08:34 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
I completely stand by my opinions on this matter. After viewing the TOS and EULA however, I am now unsure as to whether a post of this nature violates any of the terms agreed upon. As such I have removed the content until which time I can received an official response to a petition placed.

However, enjoy the discussion!



I'm pretty sure he does it to have fun.

You know, this is a game, not real life. Your internet space pixels don't really hold much value in the real world, and as soon as you undock, you should have already accepted the fact that your ship and its contents could explode at any second.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#50 - 2013-10-01 14:10:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Varius Xeral
SKINE DMZ wrote:
As soon as you make someone feel they wasted their time, they will get angry, its inevitable and natural that happens to all of us at work, or at home when that program crashed without saving.. although yes that program existed out of pixels, yet obviously its not about the pixels, its about the time invested.


Except I go into this game knowing full well that all my advances could be reversed at any time (and they have been); and if I didn't like the idea of a game like that, then I wouldn't play it.

So, no, it's not the same.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#51 - 2013-10-01 14:12:11 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Varius Xeral wrote:
The whole point is laughing at people who get upset over meaningless pixels; not that they are mad in general, but tat they are mad about nothing.

The people who can't distinguish between a stupid game and something that actually matters are those with the issues.

Although I am not against it, you are making a very common mistake here. They do not get upset over pixels, they get upset over invested time, and time is real.
QFT. This is a common misconception. It's very possible for people to become frustrated with games if they feel they've invested a lot of time then had that taken from them. While certainly not tear worthy, I still remember playing resident evil 2 through with no saves, no first aid sprays, no special weapons and in a short time, to get the maximum rank, while being the toughest challenge. First time round I died on the last boss. That was painful, though I blitzed it second time around (which I did immediately! RAH!).
In the same way, people play EVE and work to get somewhere, then having that taken is a kick in the nuts. EVE was tougher when I started, and getting your first battleship was a long chore. Losing one meant going back to grinding in small ships. It's easy to treat is as nothing now that we've played the game forever, and lost countless billions over time, but dismissing any feelings of disappointment as "crying over pixels" is a ridiculous notion.
That said, awoxing is part of the game, and some people are assholes and that's OK. Cover your back, don't undock in a ship you can't afford to lose and remember that there's always options available.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#52 - 2013-10-01 14:14:15 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
Yes, however you want to put it, still time invested. Blink

As soon as you make someone feel they wasted their time, they will get angry, its inevitable and natural that happens to all of us at work, or at home when that program crashed without saving.. although yes that program existed out of pixels, yet obviously its not about the pixels, its about the time invested.

I can't believe I have to explain this, it's pretty obvious and really happens to all of us (sure deny it like a delusional nerd), I can already imagine the look on your face when that spreadsheet was not saved after hours of working on it.
Autosave FTW! But yeah, agreed here too.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#53 - 2013-10-01 14:15:26 UTC
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
in a game that revolves entirely around blowing up spaceships
Since when?!?!?!?
Leave my "EVE: Spreadsheets in space" alone!

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SKINE DMZ
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#54 - 2013-10-01 14:16:33 UTC
Varius Xeral wrote:
SKINE DMZ wrote:
As soon as you make someone feel they wasted their time, they will get angry, its inevitable and natural that happens to all of us at work, or at home when that program crashed without saving.. although yes that program existed out of pixels, yet obviously its not about the pixels, its about the time invested.


Except I go into this game knowing full well that all my advances could be reversed at any time (and they have been); and if I didn't like the idea of a game like that, then I wouldn't play it.

So, no, it's not the same.

Yes it is because any advances in real life could be reversed any time, you are missing the point and wasted time is simply wasted time, which makes people angry. Yes even you.

Having said this I believe awoxing / thievery / scamming is a massive part of this game either way and I hope those risks stay.

I disagree
Eram Fidard
Doomheim
#55 - 2013-10-01 14:16:58 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:
As soon as you make someone feel they wasted their time, they will get angry, its inevitable and natural that happens to all of us at work, or at home when that program crashed without saving.. although yes that program existed out of pixels, yet obviously its not about the pixels, its about the time invested.

I can't believe I have to explain this, it's pretty obvious and really happens to all of us (sure deny it like a delusional nerd), I can already imagine the look on your face when that spreadsheet was not saved after hours of working on it.



SO, logically, after neglecting to take cautious saving protocols, then finding hours of your work undone, the rational step is to tirade publicly in a fit of rage blaming everything and everyone but one's self?

Oh, you've got it figured out all right..... (SARCASM!!!)

Poster is not to be held responsible for damages to keyboards and/or noses caused by hot beverages.
Varius Xeral
Doomheim
#56 - 2013-10-01 14:17:05 UTC
"Yeah, yeah, I use to rage like a child over Resident Evil 2."

That's what we're saying. That's the problem. I'm sure your parents were wondering why you were screaming at the TV like an idiot over a stupid video game.

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Lucas Kell
Solitude Trading
S.N.O.T.
#57 - 2013-10-01 14:17:22 UTC
Maliandra wrote:
I completely stand by my opinions on this matter. After viewing the TOS and EULA however, I am now unsure as to whether a post of this nature violates any of the terms agreed upon. As such I have removed the content until which time I can received an official response to a petition placed.

However, enjoy the discussion!
What part of this are you unsure of? Seemed like a pretty fine opinion post to me, though not one I agree with.
Anyway, others have quoted you so it's not removed.

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Rhivre
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#58 - 2013-10-01 14:18:33 UTC
SKINE DMZ wrote:

Yes, however you want to put it, still time invested. Blink

As soon as you make someone feel they wasted their time, they will get angry, its inevitable and natural that happens to all of us at work, or at home when that program crashed without saving.. although yes that program existed out of pixels, yet obviously its not about the pixels, its about the time invested.

I can't believe I have to explain this, it's pretty obvious and really happens to all of us (sure deny it like a delusional nerd), I can already imagine the look on your face when that spreadsheet was not saved after hours of working on it.



Yes, but usually you are angry at yourself for letting it happen. Most of us do not come over all apoplectic towards the other person, but are annoyed at ourselves for being dumb enough to not autosave, or not fit a tank to our ship.

Of course, there is a chance people email Microsoft with threats when they forget to save their spreadsheet.

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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#59 - 2013-10-01 14:20:56 UTC
Lucas Kell wrote:
TheGunslinger42 wrote:
in a game that revolves entirely around blowing up spaceships
Since when?!?!?!?
Leave my "EVE: Spreadsheets in space" alone!

Since forever. Without spaceships blowing up, those spreadsheets would not be needed since nothing would ever happen and all the numbers would be entirely static and without any need for calculation. Blink
Khergit Deserters
Crom's Angels
#60 - 2013-10-01 14:21:44 UTC
Kialopreyst wrote:
Maliandra wrote:
May I make a suggestion to those who fit the same personality profile as this guy? Consider why you do these things while other people your age act normally. Then consider getting the help for it.


You seem to be under the impression that people of a certain playstyle have serious real life mental conditions. The mistake you're making is failing to differentiate between real life and fantasy, which happens to be a serious mental condition that you should seek help for, if not for yourself, then for the safety of the people around you.

Apparently the victims feel real emotions (not fantasy emotions) when they're ganked. And the ganker feels a real emotion (pleasure) when that happens. It may be a PC game setting, but the emotions felt are real. Real emotions, not fantasy/virtual emotions.