EVE New Citizens Q&A

1) Barges are slow. You are never, ever going to get away from anything once pointed. That said, if you see something as it's arriving into the belt you could probably get away. However, in general, tanking up and waiting for CONCORD is a better idea.

2) Barges are slow as **** regardless, so an AB/MWD isn't going to help you. You could theoretically use stabs, but you'd need to eat up all your low slots for it and you'd probably be dead by the time you got into warp anyway. Just fit a tank.

3) Drones are primarily for killing rats and such. If you don't need them for that, though, then your best bet would be a set of ECM drones. If you're lucky, you can jam out an attacker, but don't count on it.

4) Always. It is in fact considered an exploit to trigger CONCORD and evade them.

Your tanking options are fairly limited in barges

If your in a Retriever you have access to 1 midslot, 3 lowslots & 3 rigslots
To keep mining at decent rate you will most likely have 1-2 Mining Laser Upgrades fitted

so for tanking your best option is something like -->

[mids]
1 small ancillary shield booster [cap booster 25's]
[lows]
1 damage control system
[riggings]
3x Core Defence Field Extender



5 light drones will be plenty to deal with belt rats, just launch them & leave them in 'aggressive + focussed fire' mode
they will in no way be sufficient to deal with a typical ganker in time however.
if your very, very lucky you may be able to ninja the kill from Concord with them

actually, this fit (as given) has only about 16-17k of EHP (depending on what they're shooting you with).

Here's a slightly tankier fit:

[Retriever, Retriever fit]

Damage Control II
Mining Laser Upgrade II
Mining Laser Upgrade II

Medium Shield Extender II

Modulated Strip Miner II
Modulated Strip Miner II

Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Core Defense Field Extender I
Medium Ancillary Current Router I

18-19k EHP, depending on what you're getting shot with

Although it requires the use of a 5% PG implant.

Swapping down the Shield extender to a small, and the ACR for another CDFE gets you 17-17.5k or so, and lets you get away with no implants.


All fittings/stats used are with an "all 5" pilot. Fitting may not work/perform as expected if you don't have these skills.

For comparison, a catalyst fully fit with T2 stuff (excl rigs) is putting out about 600 DPS (although, in reality people won't be likely to use this fit to gank, because it's a guaranteed loss).

Edit for clarity -- I threw this together in about 5 minutes on EFT. There are probably better options out there.

HI. Here's the secret to avoiding a gank.

Situational awareness.

We gankers must go through a set of steps to pull of a gank. They can be really obvious if you are paying attention. Once a gank squad is on grid sitting next to you, it's likely too late to save yourself. Yes, this means sitting there and watching the screen, ATK.


Easiest way to prevent a gank, is to be watching local at all times. When you see a group of red blinky outlaws pop up, stop what you are doing, align, and get docked up. Can't kill what isn't in space, see.

This.

You don't tank a Retriever, you save the ISK gained by less trips to the station and buy replacements when you get ganked.
If you want a tank capable of surviving a gank, get a Procurer. Even a Procurer fitted for yield will still have a better tank than a Retriever "fitted for tank".

^This is the only advice you need out of this thread, if you have made yourself a target one way or another, situational awareness is all that can stop a gank 99% of the time. A tank helps, but the true way of surviving a gank is to not be there in the first place.

not every ganker is a pro ganker
some of them are noobs at it, and they think a destroyer is all they need for instant 'kb wins'

a retriever basically has no tank however you fit it
the best you can do is mitigate some of the damage and hope you survive just long enough for Concord to arrive
(the other alternative is to not be there when they arrive in belt, but that level of paranoia will seriously hurt an income level)

also a 100m implant is not exactly 'newbie' friendly
so any fit that is at 101+% cpu is a bad fit from a newbie perspective

What is this supposed to mean? I did not see him talking about any implants. Please elaborate.

Edit: NVM, you were also referring to Velicitia's post.

Also, this 'situational awareness' crap is absolute BS - the people who say these things are plainly never in the miners shoes, and dont fully understand the mechanics involved beyond pressing F1 and waiting for concord. For starters, the only way you have of finding out if someone in local has low sec status is if they are on-grid with you or if you keep checking their info page... they only start blinking when they have a criminal flag, after they hit somebody. If that first somebody is you, the only warning you'll have is when they land on you and you explode.

Then there is the argument that the only way to avoid being ganked is this mythical 'situational awareness'. This is nonsense. These people tend to only want to try to gank 'soft' targets, i.e. the retrievers, covetors, mackinaws and hulks. If you tank a procurer then the likelihood of anybody even trying to gank you... well.. its pretty damn low, as Malcolm Shinhwa said. You are just too hard to gank and worth too little ISK. They wont bother.

Also, they DO have to go through a lot of steps. You will just never see them doing it regardless of what you do. They can be really obvious? Really? Any decent ganker will hit you and you'll never see it coming, unless you have every ganker in EVE on your watchlist and they arent using a new alt for it.

nope ... turns out the update for pyfa didn't take the first time around. right version puts that fit at 92.9k EHP against antimatter ("all 5" preset).




While true that an "all 5" character probably won't be mining, saying something arbitrary like "it's possible to get 90k EHP on a Procurer" is just as useful as saying "yeah sure, you can PLEX your account with 2 hours of work a week". That is, they're both definitely possible, but if you're not giving general skill levels to attain that amount of EHP or admitting that your 2 hours of work is (re)setting 5bn ISK worth of buy/sell orders, it's not exactly helpful to the rookies (we are in New Character Q&A afterall).




Actually, it's not that hard.

Situational Awareness 101:

• Know the locals -- simple as "pay attention to who is here a lot" (that is -- Marc Callan, Velicitia, and those other two people are generally runnning PI. Lady Fappington is generally flying around with those three ganking people, Eli and those five are mining)
• If the system is "busy", then corp/alliance affiliation may be a better marker (that is -- Rifterlings will get into wars with people, CODE. will bump/gank us, Emergent Avionics just runs a POS, Remanaquie Federation ninja salvage) -- set standings accordingly
• Obviously, there will be unknowns (NPC Corp characters) that you'll always have to be wary of, but meh
• Watch D-scan for incoming ships. 1.5-2 AU is generally sufficient to give a barge GTFO time, especially if you're continually staying aligned. Edit for clarity -- "Aligned" means "pointing at your destination, and moving at least 75% of your max speed"

(All characters/corps/alliances used in the above primer are illustrative only, and do not imply that they actually do those things)