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Dev blog: License to kill: Certificates Overhaul

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Ransu Asanari
Perkone
Caldari State
#161 - 2013-11-09 09:47:54 UTC
FYI here is the separate thread to discuss needed changes for missile skills.
ebocan
Br0wn Coat5
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#162 - 2013-11-14 14:53:24 UTC  |  Edited by: ebocan
I recently checked the certificates on Singularity and saw that Astronautic Engineering was required for datacore certificate under research. Explanation for this skill is "Skill and knowledge of Astronautics and its use in the development of advanced technology. This skill has no practical application for capsuleers, and proficiency in its use conveys little more than bragging rights. Can not be trained on Trial Accounts." It costs 19 billion ISK to get it in the market in JIta. I am in awe how this skill can be required for a newcomer who wanted to level up in research. I think it should be excluded from the certificates. What do you think ?
Darius Rageheart
Borderlands corp
True Reign
#163 - 2013-11-20 07:12:45 UTC
ebocan wrote:
I recently checked the certificates on Singularity and saw that Astronautic Engineering was required for datacore certificate under research. Explanation for this skill is "Skill and knowledge of Astronautics and its use in the development of advanced technology. This skill has no practical application for capsuleers, and proficiency in its use conveys little more than bragging rights. Can not be trained on Trial Accounts." It costs 19 billion ISK to get it in the market in JIta. I am in awe how this skill can be required for a newcomer who wanted to level up in research. I think it should be excluded from the certificates. What do you think ?


What I think is that I logged into the forum tonight to complain about JUST THAT. I'm surprised you found a skillbook for sale at all, they haven't been available for literally years.

To have made this a per-requisit was an obvious oversight.
Stridsflygplan
Deliverance.
Arrival.
#164 - 2013-11-23 09:47:58 UTC
There is an in game item called "Hull Tanking, Elite " but its only searchable in the contracts and there is no contract up for it. So probably none of these item around in the client yet. I want my hull tanking cert back! The last part of the description hint like if we all with hull tanking elite should have got one of these but maybe CCP forgot something... Roll

Hull Tanking, Elite
Description:

This certificate represents an elite level of competence in the infamous practice of "hull tanking". It certifies that the holder can fully use all modules relating to hull tanking. The holder is aware that "real men hull tank", and also that hull tanking is really dumb. With this certificate, you've maximised your ability to rely on your structural systems to absorb damage, although hopefully you're smart enough to know what a daft idea that is.

During a certificate system restructuring, CONCORD issued a physical copy of this certificate to ensure that those elite hull tankers would always be recognized (at least by themselves).
Cronos Decendum
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#165 - 2013-11-24 03:35:09 UTC
So how do I show and proof to my CEO I fulfill the prerequisites (beats requirements any day; replacing preschool words with toddler words does not improve anything) to fly a certain ship/doctrine without relying on third-party software CCP does NOT own or guarantee functionality of?

I used and was content with the old system. It was a bit out of date and could have used artful tweaking but it had its uses. A follow up system should always improve upon functionality/be able to do more then its predecessor. This new system actually takes options away which is always a bad thing. Nobody was forced to display certs but they could when they wanted or needed to.. That something is not a core system to be used every day does not mean it is purposeless and should be thrown out.

On a corporate level I do not think it wise CCP would put itself in a situation where it becomes dependent of third-party developers for certain game functions. Before you know you end up having to bribe them with real currency/isk/unique ships.. Blink for their services..

Please think this through and restore the option to display certificates or trained skills ingame.

Dev Safe,

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