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Dev blog: License to kill: Certificates Overhaul

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CCP Guard
C C P
C C P Alliance
#1 - 2013-09-30 16:56:32 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP Gargant
In Rubicon, our upcoming winter expansion, the certificate system is getting a complete makeover! There are also some really nifty changes to gunnery prerequisite skills!

CCP Ytterbium explains the details in his new dev blog. Please leave your feedback!

CCP Guard | EVE Community Developer | @CCP_Guard
Bubanni
Corus Aerospace
#2 - 2013-09-30 17:02:52 UTC
first

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Chribba
Otherworld Enterprises
Otherworld Empire
#3 - 2013-09-30 17:09:09 UTC
Are you a certed pilot or not...

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witchking42
Doomheim
#4 - 2013-09-30 17:09:23 UTC  |  Edited by: witchking42
Cool changes..but then my wife always knew I'd be certified one day Cool
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#5 - 2013-09-30 17:09:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Benny Ohu
I don't think the skills tab of the character sheet is the best place for the certificate planner. It's not very visible- I have never used that tab ever. The tutorial directs newbies to the skillqueue, doesn't it? And it's the window I use all the time. When I was a newbie I'd plan skills by opening the skillqueue and the certificate planner and working with those windows. Wouldn't certificates be better placed as part of the skillqueue window so newbies are more likely to see it?

e: then again that's only my own experience :/

more importantly, does this mean i can refer to myself as a MEGATHRON MASTER?
Max Kolonko
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#6 - 2013-09-30 17:16:42 UTC
niiiceee

Finally T2 guns dont need smaller size specialisation WOOT

Read and support: Don't mess with OUR WH's What is Your stance on WH stuff?
FightingMoose
Chroma Corp
#7 - 2013-09-30 17:18:24 UTC
Benny Ohu wrote:
I don't think the skills tab of the character sheet is the best place for the certificate planner. It's not very visible- I have never used that tab ever. The tutorial directs newbies to the skillqueue, doesn't it? And it's the window I use all the time. When I was a newbie I'd plan skills by opening the skillqueue and the certificate planner and working with those windows. Wouldn't certificates be better placed as part of the skillqueue window so newbies are more likely to see it?

e: then again that's only my own experience :/

more importantly, does this mean i can refer to myself as a MEGATHRON MASTER?



Don't you have to open the open the skills window to get to the skill planner? Seems like a fine place to put it. I also assume the tutorial will be updated to include the new certificates.

Proud owner of an Ibis.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#8 - 2013-09-30 17:18:24 UTC
That's some /bad/ scaling artefacts on the shrunk text.


Smile

Anyway, can we get a read only CREST end point sometime soon, so I can implement player/corp/alliance defined certificates, with various access rights?

Public/private isn't enough, but public/private/corp/alliance/code is probably good. Especially for custom certs.

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Antoine Jordan
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2013-09-30 17:19:25 UTC
Bring back Cert claiming, I love to click that button!
Harvey James
The Sengoku Legacy
#10 - 2013-09-30 17:22:21 UTC  |  Edited by: Harvey James
awesome stuff...

the list of skills on the ship could use some breaking up though reading through 15 skills on a battleship gets a little tedious in a list format..

I love the changes to the gun requirements .. long overdue mind.

Although i would like to question needing sharpshooting lv5 for T2 LR guns

T3's need to be versatile so no rigs are necessary ... they should not have OP dps and tank

ABC's should be T2, remove drone assist, separate HAM's and Torps range, -3 HS for droneboats

Nerf web strength, Make the blaster Eagle worth using
Akrasjel Lanate
Immemorial Coalescence Administration
Immemorial Coalescence
#11 - 2013-09-30 17:23:46 UTC
Cool you do this first... but i want DevBlogs and threads about the main stuff that will be in Rubicon Blink

CEO of Lanate Industries

Citizen of Solitude
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2013-09-30 17:23:59 UTC
FightingMoose wrote:
Benny Ohu wrote:
I don't think the skills tab of the character sheet is the best place for the certificate planner. It's not very visible- I have never used that tab ever. The tutorial directs newbies to the skillqueue, doesn't it? And it's the window I use all the time. When I was a newbie I'd plan skills by opening the skillqueue and the certificate planner and working with those windows. Wouldn't certificates be better placed as part of the skillqueue window so newbies are more likely to see it?

e: then again that's only my own experience :/

more importantly, does this mean i can refer to myself as a MEGATHRON MASTER?



Don't you have to open the open the skills window to get to the skill planner? Seems like a fine place to put it. I also assume the tutorial will be updated to include the new certificates.

was it crucible that added the little progress bar to the neocom? i joined just before crucible, and have always clicked the little progress bar to get to the skillqueue. i've also always kept the certificate planner on the neocom.

maybe i'm just peculiar What?
Liner Xiandra
Sparks Inc
#13 - 2013-09-30 17:24:52 UTC
I take it the certificate sharing remains untouched?
(showing off your certs or keeping them set private)
SkyMeetFire
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2013-09-30 17:25:48 UTC
Always liked the idea of certs, and hopefully this implementation will get closer to them reaching the utility for them I hoped for initially. This way might make it easier to suggest what someone should train when trying to get new pilots up to speed.
War Kitten
Panda McLegion
#15 - 2013-09-30 17:26:09 UTC
Speaking as a long-time vet, I have the same reaction to these certificates as to the last ones: "Erm... Ok."

I hope they're useful to newer pilots.

I don't judge people by their race, religion, color, size, age, gender, or ethnicity. I judge them by their grammar, spelling, syntax, punctuation, clarity of expression, and logical consistency.
Steve Ronuken
Fuzzwork Enterprises
Vote Steve Ronuken for CSM
#16 - 2013-09-30 17:26:59 UTC
Liner Xiandra wrote:
I take it the certificate sharing remains untouched?
(showing off your certs or keeping them set private)


Quote:

Certificates can no longer be set as public (feedback showed this option was not used for obvious intel reasons)

Woo! CSM XI!

Fuzzwork Enterprises

Twitter: @fuzzysteve on Twitter
Shinzhi Xadi
Doomheim
#17 - 2013-09-30 17:27:24 UTC
I have many times used the certificates to help new players see what to train for the first few months.

These changes are a BIG improvement on the system, and I applaud the team that tackled this!

Mac Pro dual 6-core Xeon 3.06ghz, 24gig ecc ram, EVGA GTX 680 Mac Edition, Intel SSD, OS X Yosemite and Windows 8.1 Pro.
Benny Ohu
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#18 - 2013-09-30 17:28:15 UTC
Antoine Jordan wrote:
Bring back Cert claiming, I love to click that button!

it's strangely satisfactory. also, a 'certificate earned' sound like the new one that plays when you finish a skill would be great :3

when i joined my first corp (pretty much the same one as now) i asked the ceo if he could help me as a newbie. he said, "what's your current goal in eve?", and i replied, "i want the elite core certificate and an arbitrator"
Zilero
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2013-09-30 17:31:31 UTC
Nope, just NOPE. Bad CCP, BAD CCP.

Edit: Talking about gun tiericide of course.
Turelus
Utassi Security
The Curatores Veritatis Auxiliary
#20 - 2013-09-30 17:33:02 UTC
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That means redundant ones, like the Starter Profession Certificates, will be removed as they serve no practical purpose

My Caldari Special Forces Elite... but... but... RP! Cry

Turelus CEO Utassi Security
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