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Space camouflage - what's the point?
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Neve Talie-Ko
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#21 - 2011-10-31 19:19:30 UTC
Wouldn't black have a detrimental effect on life support (air conditioning) close to a star? Even mirrored would be a problem when outlined against the sun.
stoicfaux
#22 - 2011-10-31 19:20:33 UTC
Neve Talie-Ko wrote:
Wouldn't black have a detrimental effect on life support (air conditioning) close to a star? Even mirrored would be a problem when outlined against the sun.


Given that you can park your ship near, on, or in a star, the answer would be "no."

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i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY
sHaKeDoWn..
#23 - 2011-10-31 19:59:16 UTC
Tippia wrote:
i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY wrote:
LADAR bro.
No need for visual light spectrum, and doesn't particularly care about colour patterns anyway.

Well if it was LADAR the patterns would give it away, because its pretty hard to make patterns out of a colour palette of black, black and black. which would be the colour of a ship trying to defeat LADAR.
Even out of our visual range LADAR using ultraviolet and near infrared would be defeated by material that was black in colour to our eye's, but also happen's to absorb ultraviolet and near infrared.
stoicfaux
#24 - 2011-10-31 20:12:33 UTC
i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY wrote:

Well if it was LADAR the patterns would give it away, because its pretty hard to make patterns out of a colour palette of black, black and black. which would be the colour of a ship trying to defeat LADAR.
Even out of our visual range LADAR using ultraviolet and near infrared would be defeated by material that was black in colour to our eye's, but also happen's to absorb ultraviolet and near infrared.



Or, you know, since Eve ships are supposed to ride some kind of subspace/gravity wave, maybe LADAR instead measures the target's distortion of subspace/gravity in order to calculate where the target is.

Besides, according to Atomic Rocket, there ain't no stealth in space.
"The Space Shuttle's much weaker main engines could be detected past the orbit of Pluto. The Space Shuttle's manoeuvering thrusters could be seen as far as the asteroid belt. And even a puny ship using ion drive to thrust at a measly 1/1000 of a g could be spotted at one astronomical unit."

The only camouflage in space is a magic cloaking device. Or hiding completely inside a rock until your ship's heat warms the rock enough for people on the outside to wonder why your rock is warmer than it should be.


tl;dr Eve's physics and Harry Potter's magic are equally defined and equally plausible.

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InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#25 - 2011-10-31 20:17:10 UTC
stoicfaux wrote:


tl;dr Eve's physics and Harry Potter's magic are equally defined and equally plausible.




Voldemort ganks miners and sells PLEX for too much!! NERFBAT!
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#26 - 2011-10-31 20:17:58 UTC
Becuase in space we really look for you heat not your colors.

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i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY
sHaKeDoWn..
#27 - 2011-10-31 20:25:37 UTC
Well yeah, the only perfect Stealth, would be for the ship to not exist at all.
Thats no reason not to try lower your footprint, with a simple coat of paint.
Jennifer Starling
Imperial Navy Forum Patrol
#28 - 2011-10-31 20:28:08 UTC
If a ship was capable of atmospheric flight (e.g. symmetrical ships) and land/hide somewhere in the jungle, then yes it would make sense.

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#29 - 2011-10-31 20:47:18 UTC
Jennifer Starling wrote:
If a ship was capable of atmospheric flight (e.g. symmetrical ships) and land/hide somewhere in the jungle, then yes it would make sense.

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There are several examples of viable atmospheric flight vehicles that are asymmetric, for what its worth. Symmetry is no more a requirement for atmospheric flight than it is for space flight.

Sadly though, it looks like CCP is migrating away from the asymmetric distinctiveness of Caldari and Gallente ships - such as the new Talos design, redesigned Scorpion, and redesigned Crow.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Cat Casidy
Percussive Diplomacy
Sedition.
#30 - 2011-10-31 20:50:33 UTC
Wasn't the new crow debunked by a GM in another thread?

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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#31 - 2011-10-31 20:54:08 UTC
Cat Casidy wrote:
Wasn't the new crow debunked by a GM in another thread?


Initially yes. Than, the dev who debunked the crow debunked his own debunking. Claimed he was given bad info, the model is apparently indeed a CCP test model. Now that doesnt mean it'll make it into this expansion, it could have been the digital equivalent of a sketch drawing on some scrap paper. But once its out, player speculation runs rampant!

Jury is still out on whether they're developing that model or whether it was just an experiment....

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Alara IonStorm
#32 - 2011-10-31 20:59:42 UTC
So I jump through the Gate warp to planet 3 customs office at 70 in my Gila when I start Scanning for Anoms. There are 4 in Local so I pop the D-Scan to see to my Horror a Cheetah and RSS Combat Scanner Probes.

Just then the System Scanner clicks and I see Space Desert. I hit Warp to the first one just as 3 Canes land on grid. I figure they will never find me in there with my clever paint job.

When I come out of Warp my Gila landed in a Space Dessert. I was off by 1 s and my Chocolate Gila was Scanned down and killed. My Pod Breached in Strawberry Ice Cream so it was not a complete loss.

True Story.
Mikael Mechka
Void Borne Sentinel
#33 - 2011-10-31 21:10:22 UTC
While we are on the subject... I see no reason for the Deimos to have the Federation Navy salad issue/camo paint job. Hopefully they will at some point change it so that the Deimos is gold/silver like other Duvolle Lab ships.
Tore Vest
#34 - 2011-10-31 21:14:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Tore Vest
That day I saw my navymega was camo painted , I took it out in a wh and gave it to a bunch of sleepers.
Never bougth a navymega after that...

No troll.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#35 - 2011-10-31 21:29:24 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:

Just then the System Scanner clicks and I see Space Desert. I hit Warp to the first one just as 3 Canes land on grid. I figure they will never find me in there with my clever paint job.

When I come out of Warp my Gila landed in a Space Dessert. I was off by 1 s and my Chocolate Gila was Scanned down and killed. My Pod Breached in Strawberry Ice Cream so it was not a complete loss.

True Story.


Did this make sense to anyone else? or is my universal translator bugging out again....

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Nova Fox
Novafox Shipyards
#36 - 2011-10-31 21:34:28 UTC
Tore Vest wrote:
That day I saw my navymega was camo painted , I took it out in a wh and gave it to a bunch of sleepers.
Never bougth a navymega after that...



and to think they're adding custom paintjobs to all ships this expansion.

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Asana Keikira
Doomheim
#37 - 2011-10-31 21:44:39 UTC
Scortched Merc wrote:
I am looking forward to my Tengu having a nice Hello Kitty paint job... that'll be soem awsome camo. Twisted


Don't knock the effectiveness of pink in camouflage. Look up "Mountbatten pink" or "Plymouth Pink" sometime....Something even the British Special Air Service has had occasion to use. :)
Sakkar Arenith
Kenmei Corporation
#38 - 2011-10-31 21:48:43 UTC
You guy have obviously missed out on reading the lore.

It isn't camouflage, it's SPACE AIDS.


It happens when heathen races have uncontrolled and pre-enlightenment ship building going on. Lore states that it all started when a Gallente space poacher had interconstruction with a Monkeytar. And it has been spreading ever since, to all races except of course to those that were chosen by god.

So, remember when you see a ship stricken by Space Aids, it isn't hiding,. It is God actually hating the pilot.
Tore Vest
#39 - 2011-10-31 21:52:49 UTC
Nova Fox wrote:
Tore Vest wrote:
That day I saw my navymega was camo painted , I took it out in a wh and gave it to a bunch of sleepers.
Never bougth a navymega after that...



and to think they're adding custom paintjobs to all ships this expansion.


Custom paintjobs... thats ok.... but camopaint...
Nooooooooooooooo.... that is so ***** ugly

No troll.
E man Industries
SeaChell Productions
#40 - 2011-10-31 22:24:32 UTC
The green patches reflect black to radar, while the lighter area's reflect black to ladar..giving the ship a smaller apparent scanable area.

they use the cheapest paints so it has real colors in the visible spectrum.