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Space camouflage - what's the point?
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Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#1 - 2011-10-31 18:20:55 UTC
So, since lots of stuff is being worked on for ship models, I thought I’d ask a question that’s been bugging me for some time.

Why do the military-grade (fleet issue, navy issue) editions of spaceships have standard woodland / desert camouflage paintjobs? It seems so silly and arbitrary. Why in the world would I have brown and green blotches on my stabber unless I’m flying it through a forest?

To me, “space camouflage” would consist of a black ship painted with pale colored dots. Now, this would be a pain in the butt to actually see, so I’m not asking for that obviously. But the camo blotches we have now – seem so slapped on and out of place. Almost any other cool custom paintjob would work, I just don’t get the camo thing.

Is there something I’m missing? Is there some lore or anything that explains this peculiar design decision when it comes to ship paintjob?

Are we seeing new paintjobs or customization options come winter expansion?

Thanks developers and community alike, appreciate the input…

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InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2011-10-31 18:23:58 UTC  |  Edited by: InVictus Kell
True story: Olive green camouflage makes you harder to see no matter where you are, in space, in the jungle, at a little girls pink pony birthday party, at a nightclub trying to pick up chicks, etc.
It's a widely believed fact.

didnt the navy mega used to be nearly pitch black? I remember after the trinity upgrade it used to look seriously menacing.
MeestaPenni
Mercantile and Stuff
#3 - 2011-10-31 18:25:34 UTC
It was CCP GI Joe's decision to do that.

I am not Prencleeve Grothsmore.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#4 - 2011-10-31 18:26:49 UTC
Because colour schemes make no difference in a world of sensors (which aren't working within the visible light spectrum, or indeed aren't even using light to begin with) so you can paint them any way you like without it making any difference…

…so you go for what looks good and what is traditional instead.
i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY
sHaKeDoWn..
#5 - 2011-10-31 18:32:02 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Because colour schemes make no difference in a world of sensors (which aren't working within the visible light spectrum, or indeed aren't even using light to begin with) so you can paint them any way you like without it making any difference…

…so you go for what looks good and what is traditional instead.


LADAR bro.
Montevius Williams
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#6 - 2011-10-31 18:44:27 UTC
Probably out of tradition? Navy is part of the military, military wears camo. Hell, sailors and Marines on ships still wear green camo utilities. Do they need them? Hell No, but its tradition (assuming the're not crashing a beachhead that is). The Airforce wears camo. Do they need them in an office enironment at Edwards Airforce base? Hell No, but its tradition.

Out of any organization in the world, the military (any countries military) is probably the biggest on tradition and customs.

Full disclosure: I was in the Marine Corps.

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Muad 'dib
State War Academy
Caldari State
#7 - 2011-10-31 18:52:42 UTC
InVictus Kell wrote:
True story: Olive green camouflage makes you harder to see no matter where you are, in space, in the jungle, at a little girls pink pony birthday party, at a nightclub trying to pick up chicks, etc.
It's a widely believed fact.

didnt the navy mega used to be nearly pitch black? I remember after the trinity upgrade it used to look seriously menacing.



its true, ever wonder how idiot meathead squaddies get the chicks? its that damned overpowered cammo.

The greatest problem with it is that its only for the gall, clearly this needs to be spread out, id particularly like ot see the aeon with a nice cammo job, cos boy it needs somthing!

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Abdiel Kavash
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#8 - 2011-10-31 18:56:31 UTC
Because it looks cool. I'm literally invincible, and my daily income could buy me a small country on any of the thousands of planets I can visit in a few hours. I can paint my ship however the heck I want!
Gealbhan
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#9 - 2011-10-31 19:00:05 UTC
The Minmatar use space camo all the time. Have you ever tried looking for one of their ships in an asteroid belt?
stoicfaux
#10 - 2011-10-31 19:00:10 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:

Why do the military-grade (fleet issue, navy issue) editions of spaceships have standard woodland / desert camouflage paintjobs? It seems so silly and arbitrary. Why in the world would I have brown and green blotches on my stabber unless I’m flying it through a forest?


Typical short-sighted human centrist liberal nanny-state why isn't the state run with common sense, where common sense equals my personal views naive waste-product of a bad lay civilian.

The space paint camouflage only appears as brown/green to the HUMAN eye. To the sensors of Eve, the camouflage is quite effective at limiting the enemy's ability to lock on to a ship to just under 250km and makes it difficult for larger ships to lock onto smaller ships.

Now go back to your hippie, trust-fund funded, political-science-can-bring-about-utopia college commune and let the rest of us get back to defending your right to be stupid from our external (and internal) enemies.


Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Demon View
Doomheim
#11 - 2011-10-31 19:04:40 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
So, since lots of stuff is being worked on for ship models, I thought I’d ask a question that’s been bugging me for some time.

Why do the military-grade (fleet issue, navy issue) editions of spaceships have standard woodland / desert camouflage paintjobs? It seems so silly and arbitrary. Why in the world would I have brown and green blotches on my stabber unless I’m flying it through a forest?


No faction Amarr ship is so afflicted (although the Punisher has some suspicious tints, although the executioner has those black-rubber bits on it now, although the new Maller...); there are also non-faction Caldari and Gallente ships that are so afflicted - f.e., the Harpy. On some ships it looks OK (f.e., the Harpy), although it's just blatant nonsense as design.

Maybe CCP has been planning ahead for the NEX ship-skins for some time.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#12 - 2011-10-31 19:07:59 UTC
i5L4NDOF5T4BiLiTY wrote:
LADAR bro.
No need for visual light spectrum, and doesn't particularly care about colour patterns anyway.
Coastie SK
Intergalactic Coast Guard
#13 - 2011-10-31 19:08:33 UTC
Montevius Williams wrote:
Probably out of tradition? Navy is part of the military, military wears camo. Hell, sailors and Marines on ships still wear green camo utilities. Do they need them? Hell No, but its tradition (assuming the're not crashing a beachhead that is). The Airforce wears camo. Do they need them in an office enironment at Edwards Airforce base? Hell No, but its tradition.

Out of any organization in the world, the military (any countries military) is probably the biggest on tradition and customs.

Full disclosure: I was in the Marine Corps.


Coasties dont wear camo most of the time... unless we are deployed to another region. I have a few sets of DCUs supporting OIF in Bahrain.
Potamus Jenkins
eXceed Inc.
Plucky Adventurers
#14 - 2011-10-31 19:09:09 UTC
i love the way the buzzard looks
InVictus Kell
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2011-10-31 19:10:25 UTC
There's also all the forests in space too, although you cant see them because they're also camoflouged.
Scortched Merc
Ascendance Rising
Ascendance..
#16 - 2011-10-31 19:11:09 UTC
I am looking forward to my Tengu having a nice Hello Kitty paint job... that'll be soem awsome camo. Twisted

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Hyacinthous
Starlight Industries .co
SL0W CHILDREN AT PLAY
#17 - 2011-10-31 19:11:20 UTC
Real space camo is a Mirrored paint job.

Too bad CCP doesn't know about that. Starships should have a mirror coating, that is the perfect camo for a starship.
Demon View
Doomheim
#18 - 2011-10-31 19:14:24 UTC
Coastie SK wrote:
Coasties dont wear camo most of the time... unless we are deployed to another region. I have a few sets of DCUs supporting OIF in Bahrain.


And then you have the Air Force.

... I take back that "blatant nonsense", CCP.
stoicfaux
#19 - 2011-10-31 19:16:52 UTC
Scortched Merc wrote:
I am looking forward to my Tengu having a nice Hello Kitty paint job... that'll be soem awsome camo. Twisted


Speaking of which, obligatory
* Hello Kitty Kestrel: http://www.mmorpg.com/photo/322c9d29-db56-4f12-8e81-30505459d9c4
* Hello Kitty Apoc: http://www.unholyground.com/upload/hellokittyapoc.jpg
* Hello Kitty AR-15 http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_2j_d3CsMeL8/TKnoUdNsEtI/AAAAAAAABMo/uBATMt1W8-4/s1600/hellokitty_ar15assault_1.jpg

Pon Farr Memorial: once every 7 years, all the carebears in high-sec must PvP or they will be temp-banned.
Nariya Kentaya
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2011-10-31 19:17:49 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Because colour schemes make no difference in a world of sensors (which aren't working within the visible light spectrum, or indeed aren't even using light to begin with) so you can paint them any way you like without it making any difference…

…so you go for what looks good and what is traditional instead.

i say we go for what looks good, and make a pirate faction that neon-lines their ships to look like something otu of TRON: Legacy (or the original tron, if your feeling nostalgiac), cause i eman honestly, its nigh-impossible to see something in space visually without already knowing WHERE to look, and having the sun behind you to reflect the light back in your direction, so why dont we have big/flashy overly flamboyant ships instead of either Minmatar Rust, Amarrian bronze/brass, and Caldari Gunmetal?
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