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Vistrix Starshadow
New Eden Webservices
#21 - 2013-09-29 21:04:39 UTC
I figured out why this thread smelled like failure: http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1291146
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#22 - 2013-09-29 21:09:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Vixen Soul
Vistrix Starshadow wrote:
I figured out why this thread smelled like failure: http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1291146


Keep in mind our latest client we got from that thread. Paying us $1,600 USD for a commercial tourism website. Facepunch is full of trolls. They exist on all forums, and due to the fact that most trolls don't have lives, they make up a good majority of forum posts which misleadingly gives the impression that that is the majority opinion. Take this thread for instance. People looking to discredit not because the idea is bad, but because they have nothing better to do.

I'm hoping the business minded people will see this is a good offer, and a good idea.

SoulCreative
Vistrix Starshadow
New Eden Webservices
#23 - 2013-09-29 21:18:19 UTC
Vixen Soul wrote:
Vistrix Starshadow wrote:
I figured out why this thread smelled like failure: http://www.facepunch.com/showthread.php?t=1291146


Keep in mind our latest client we got from that thread. Paying us $1,600 USD for a commercial tourism website. Facepunch is full of trolls. They exist on all forums, and due to the fact that most trolls don't have lives, they make up a good majority of forum posts which misleadingly gives the impression that that is the majority opinion. Take this thread for instance. People looking to discredit not because the idea is bad, but because they have nothing better to do.

I'm hoping the business minded people will see this is a good offer, and a good idea.


That being said, 100B isk is roughly the equivalent of 3,369.93 USD. A business minded person would take one look at the quality of work you have provided elsewhere, and promptly leave this thread to it's inevitable demise.
Scoville Scale admin
Scoville scale
#24 - 2013-09-29 21:20:18 UTC
So I have purchased my lotto site from Vixen and I can confirm they are 100% legit, I have spent over $1000 with them and have been amazed with their work, they always online and DLEIVER as planned.

Now I suppose you will look at this char and think I am Vixen, well if you are considering this proposition then evemail me and would be more then happy to skype / video call you and share my pay pal details to prove they are trustworthy.

I would also be happy to give free advice on how to manage 3rd party developers to make sure you get what you need,

Not sure what else I can say except for ignor the haters and if you like what they offer for the price they are charging then go for it, it will be a reality.

Johnson Sunzu
more then SERI0US BUSINESS
#25 - 2013-09-29 21:26:48 UTC
They are right you know.

There is people that make better websites then you for free =)

Please tell us if there is any business people that contact you tho so us poor non-business people can learn how wrong we are =)
Vistrix Starshadow
New Eden Webservices
#26 - 2013-09-29 21:26:58 UTC
Scoville Scale admin wrote:
So I have purchased my lotto site from Vixen and I can confirm they are 100% legit, I have spent over $1000 with them and have been amazed with their work, they always online and DLEIVER as planned.

Now I suppose you will look at this char and think I am Vixen, well if you are considering this proposition then evemail me and would be more then happy to skype / video call you and share my pay pal details to prove they are trustworthy.

I would also be happy to give free advice on how to manage 3rd party developers to make sure you get what you need,

Not sure what else I can say except for ignor the haters and if you like what they offer for the price they are charging then go for it, it will be a reality.



The thing is, nothing is being offered here. The proposal is that you give OP 100B isk for something that hasn't even been created yet. Most of the services he is incorporating into his "idea" are already available for free elsewhere. If you purchased a lotto site then you obviously don't know how to use google, because the source code is available for free.

Regardless, this type of discussion does not belong in the Sell Order forum, and should be relocated by a representative of ISD. (similar to the last thread you created on this exact subject.)
Johnson Sunzu
more then SERI0US BUSINESS
#27 - 2013-09-29 21:29:39 UTC
Vistrix Starshadow wrote:
Scoville Scale admin wrote:
So I have purchased my lotto site from Vixen and I can confirm they are 100% legit, I have spent over $1000 with them and have been amazed with their work, they always online and DLEIVER as planned.

Now I suppose you will look at this char and think I am Vixen, well if you are considering this proposition then evemail me and would be more then happy to skype / video call you and share my pay pal details to prove they are trustworthy.

I would also be happy to give free advice on how to manage 3rd party developers to make sure you get what you need,

Not sure what else I can say except for ignor the haters and if you like what they offer for the price they are charging then go for it, it will be a reality.



The thing is, nothing is being offered here. The proposal is that you give OP 100B isk for something that hasn't even been created yet. Most of the services he is incorporating into his "idea" are already available for free elsewhere. If you purchased a lotto site then you obviously don't know how to use google, because the source code is available for free.

Regardless, this type of discussion does not belong in the Sell Order forum, and should be relocated by a representative of ISD. (similar to the last thread you created on this exact subject.)



Deja Vu
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#28 - 2013-09-29 21:30:09 UTC
Vistrix Starshadow wrote:
Scoville Scale admin wrote:
So I have purchased my lotto site from Vixen and I can confirm they are 100% legit, I have spent over $1000 with them and have been amazed with their work, they always online and DLEIVER as planned.

Now I suppose you will look at this char and think I am Vixen, well if you are considering this proposition then evemail me and would be more then happy to skype / video call you and share my pay pal details to prove they are trustworthy.

I would also be happy to give free advice on how to manage 3rd party developers to make sure you get what you need,

Not sure what else I can say except for ignor the haters and if you like what they offer for the price they are charging then go for it, it will be a reality.



The thing is, nothing is being offered here. The proposal is that you give OP 100B isk for something that hasn't even been created yet. Most of the services he is incorporating into his "idea" are already available for free elsewhere. If you purchased a lotto site then you obviously don't know how to use google, because the source code is available for free.

Regardless, this type of discussion does not belong in the Sell Order forum, and should be relocated by a representative of ISD. (similar to the last thread you created on this exact subject.)


You are absolutely right. If what you just described were true, this would be a horrible scam. Even I wouldn't like it. Please read though my posts, and find the payment solution that I have offered. This should solve your confusion. If you have any other questions feel free to ask.

SoulCreative
Elizabeth Norn
Nornir Research
Nornir Empire
#29 - 2013-09-29 21:31:03 UTC
Vixen Soul wrote:
Anyway, this website, if I do it, will literally be the most complex website my company has ever made.


Vixen Soul wrote:
It's not the painting that has value. It's the idea, and my ability to bring it to life. That ability can be proven with a portfolio.


I also disagree with you about ideas having value. You can have all the ideas in the world, but unless you can execute them properly, or try sell them to someone gullible enough, they are worthless. Either way you've already given your idea away for free and now the money is in executing it.

Free 3rd party services

Buddy link w/ bonus 250k SP, you keep the whole PLEX upon subscribing
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#30 - 2013-09-29 21:33:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Vixen Soul
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Anyway, this website, if I do it, will literally be the most complex website my company has ever made.


Vixen Soul wrote:
It's not the painting that has value. It's the idea, and my ability to bring it to life. That ability can be proven with a portfolio.


I also disagree with you about ideas having value. You can have all the ideas in the world, but unless you can execute them properly, or try sell them to someone gullible enough, they are worthless. Either way you've already given your idea away for free and now the money is in executing it.


Right. If there is someone out there who has both the skills and the commitment to do this, I encourage them to do it. If not, you have me. Roll You will need to be a web developer to understand the scale of this project.

SoulCreative
Johnson Sunzu
more then SERI0US BUSINESS
#31 - 2013-09-29 21:34:45 UTC
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Anyway, this website, if I do it, will literally be the most complex website my company has ever made.


Vixen Soul wrote:
It's not the painting that has value. It's the idea, and my ability to bring it to life. That ability can be proven with a portfolio.


I also disagree with you about ideas having value. You can have all the ideas in the world, but unless you can execute them properly, or try sell them to someone gullible enough, they are worthless. Either way you've already given your idea away for free and now the money is in executing it.



Quick! save the idea and find someone that makes the site for 1/3 of the price within a few weeks.

we can sell the idea before this guy manages too make it in the 6 month time span =D

$$$$
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#32 - 2013-09-29 21:38:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Vixen Soul
Johnson Sunzu wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Anyway, this website, if I do it, will literally be the most complex website my company has ever made.


Vixen Soul wrote:
It's not the painting that has value. It's the idea, and my ability to bring it to life. That ability can be proven with a portfolio.


I also disagree with you about ideas having value. You can have all the ideas in the world, but unless you can execute them properly, or try sell them to someone gullible enough, they are worthless. Either way you've already given your idea away for free and now the money is in executing it.



Quick! save the idea and find someone that makes the site for 1/3 of the price within a few weeks.

we can sell the idea before this guy manages too make it in the 6 month time span =D

$$$$


This is just proof you're a troll. I also want to say that I think I can complete it in 2 months.

SoulCreative
Johnson Sunzu
more then SERI0US BUSINESS
#33 - 2013-09-29 21:43:25 UTC
Vixen Soul wrote:
Johnson Sunzu wrote:
Elizabeth Norn wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Anyway, this website, if I do it, will literally be the most complex website my company has ever made.


Vixen Soul wrote:
It's not the painting that has value. It's the idea, and my ability to bring it to life. That ability can be proven with a portfolio.


I also disagree with you about ideas having value. You can have all the ideas in the world, but unless you can execute them properly, or try sell them to someone gullible enough, they are worthless. Either way you've already given your idea away for free and now the money is in executing it.



Quick! save the idea and find someone that makes the site for 1/3 of the price within a few weeks.

we can sell the idea before this guy manages too make it in the 6 month time span =D

$$$$


This is just proof you're a troll.



There never was a need too troll ...

It's already bad.

Make a product too sell or offer a service with a 3rd party etc etc ( you got this in the last post )

and the sell the product. People won't give you isk for a site you gonna start making.

There have been PLENTY of scams involving things like this

and I am not saying your scamming here... but you need some sort of security =)
Not just - I can make websites and i got this amazing idea! but i need 100b too actually make it and change EvE forever #becomeTHE2ndsomerblink420
Kaputt
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#34 - 2013-09-29 21:45:23 UTC
So,

You've tried this before... Failed.

You tried sale pitching your "company" on Facepunch... Mocked no end and even hacked. And to be honest, I've seen more professional websites for a much lower price.

You come back here with a super idea SAME pitch... Not looking good is it?

Like the others have said, you would stand a much better chance of creating the website, have people test it and iron out the leeks and then pitch it as a monthly service. IF (and its a god damn big IF) takes off and the word gets around you may just then have your 100billion.

Until then;

NOPE.
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#35 - 2013-09-29 21:47:46 UTC
Okay, I asked you to read through my posts and find my solution to that problem. You haven't. You need to undersatnd how immature it is that you so strongly present this argument over nad over becasue you refuse to read through the thread before posting. How can you expect anyone to take you seriously? You just make yourself look like a jerk.

Anyway, my solution is this: We will plan out the website. We will write it all down in a big document. Then we will give it a time line with objectives being completed on the website through time. As these objectives are completed and shown to the client, a small payment will be made. This way, the work MUST be done in order to payment to be received. Final payment will be made on completion of the site.

SoulCreative
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#36 - 2013-09-29 21:54:40 UTC
Kaputt wrote:
So,

You've tried this before... Failed.

You tried sale pitching your "company" on Facepunch... Mocked no end and even hacked. And to be honest, I've seen more professional websites for a much lower price.

You come back here with a super idea SAME pitch... Not looking good is it?

Like the others have said, you would stand a much better chance of creating the website, have people test it and iron out the leeks and then pitch it as a monthly service. IF (and its a god damn big IF) takes off and the word gets around you may just then have your 100billion.

Until then;

NOPE.


If I end up making this website without an investor, I promise you it won't be sold.

SoulCreative
Johnson Sunzu
more then SERI0US BUSINESS
#37 - 2013-09-29 21:56:12 UTC
Vixen Soul wrote:
Kaputt wrote:
So,

You've tried this before... Failed.

You tried sale pitching your "company" on Facepunch... Mocked no end and even hacked. And to be honest, I've seen more professional websites for a much lower price.

You come back here with a super idea SAME pitch... Not looking good is it?

Like the others have said, you would stand a much better chance of creating the website, have people test it and iron out the leeks and then pitch it as a monthly service. IF (and its a god damn big IF) takes off and the word gets around you may just then have your 100billion.

Until then;

NOPE.


If I end up making this website without an investor, I promise you it won't be sold.



Wut?

so it has nothing too do with ISK ?
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#38 - 2013-09-29 22:03:10 UTC
Johnson Sunzu wrote:
Vixen Soul wrote:
Kaputt wrote:
So,

You've tried this before... Failed.

You tried sale pitching your "company" on Facepunch... Mocked no end and even hacked. And to be honest, I've seen more professional websites for a much lower price.

You come back here with a super idea SAME pitch... Not looking good is it?

Like the others have said, you would stand a much better chance of creating the website, have people test it and iron out the leeks and then pitch it as a monthly service. IF (and its a god damn big IF) takes off and the word gets around you may just then have your 100billion.

Until then;

NOPE.


If I end up making this website without an investor, I promise you it won't be sold.



Wut?

so it has nothing too do with ISK ?


It has more to do with motivation. This website is HUGE. You know, I'm kinda lazy. I just bought GTA V. It's literally on right now next to me. It's hard to just develop something with absolutely no guarantee it's going to even get people to use it. I am a developer. I don't play this game. Look at my record. I have an expensive curse because I make a bunch of money in this game from the website I used to develop, but look 0 kills, and 4 deaths. I have 20m SP, and I've never been in a worm hole. I've been in null sec, but all I did is stare at the big corps that I'll never have a chance to be a part of because I don't think it's a good idea to put that much time into a game when I can be putting it into improving my life by building this company.

The point I'm making is that.. yes, when I think about being the next Sommerset or whatever her name is, it makes me happy, and I would like that, but on the other hand.. eh, GTA V is right here and involves a lot less thinking.

Having someone offer me 100b through time gives me short goals that I can achieve. It gives me someone who obviously has connections who can help me get this system into the hands of those bigger corporations. I tried to offer this idea to TEST alliance. They were complete jerks to me. They treated me so badly. Honestly, I know it's the internet and all, but EVE players can be really brutal. Having a super rich high roller in my corner will really help me out.

I guess what I'm saying is. I need motivation.

SoulCreative
helios aplha
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#39 - 2013-09-30 00:56:57 UTC
heres an idea make the framework,
this would include the most basic things an alliance would need. - either use it as a trial or a proof of concept,
(look at what ecm does)

Once the initial problems are fixed, add a couple more features to interest more people like srp ect or closed off areas for each corp to use. then start selling it as a basic service

make the other features into modular plugins, which have either a one time setup cost or monthly cost depening on what it does

create a packages which automatically have certain plugins preintstalled

be proud of what you made, sit back relax and wait for.....

Profit ££££


you have design pictures which is all well and good but without a proof of concept and something to actually look at, im not putting forward any isk on a whim that your word is good
this isn't kickstarter, this is eve and promises mean sh*t here

**theres also the fact that if i put 100bil towards this i wouldnt want anyone else but me having it...ever**
Vixen Soul
Perkone
Caldari State
#40 - 2013-09-30 01:08:43 UTC
helios aplha wrote:
heres an idea make the framework,
this would include the most basic things an alliance would need. - either use it as a trial or a proof of concept,
(look at what ecm does)

Once the initial problems are fixed, add a couple more features to interest more people like srp ect or closed off areas for each corp to use. then start selling it as a basic service

make the other features into modular plugins, which have either a one time setup cost or monthly cost depening on what it does

create a packages which automatically have certain plugins preintstalled

be proud of what you made, sit back relax and wait for.....

Profit ££££


you have design pictures which is all well and good but without a proof of concept and something to actually look at, im not putting forward any isk on a whim that your word is good
this isn't kickstarter, this is eve and promises mean sh*t here

**there's also the fact that if i put 100bil towards this i wouldn't want anyone else but me having it...ever**


Well, most people who are looking to invest 100b are looking for passive profits. This website can have a monthly subscription plan that automatically makes sure the people using this website are making monthly payments to your eve account. If they don't the website will notify them they need to, and if they still don't, their account will be restricted until they do make the payment.

It can also for for a very large coalition who wishes to gain an edge in the game. I honesty don't think this tool is good for just one corp leader.

SoulCreative