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Plastic Psycho
Necro-Economics
#61 - 2013-10-02 17:18:25 UTC
Eram Fidard wrote:
I just don't see how moon mining (an activity whose profit margins are determined monthly) is going to be significantly disrupted by anything like 15% siphon.

So you have a small gang of friends and you set up a siphon (or 5) on the local lowsec moons, including whatever 'work' has to be done to make that possible. Now you're making less than it would cost to run a moon, for significantly more effort.

Anything short of taking it all, or a set percentage of what is stored (empty those silos people!), I judge not lucrative enough to hold the attention of even a hi-sec miner. Make it lucrative enough to be worth doing, and you take away the value of effort put forth by those running POS. Not a nice catch-22.

Generally, I agree, save for one thing: As a solo player, I can get a share of moon resources and reactions action that I would otherwise be unable to reach.

OK, it's not as efficient as setting up a tower, but I'm not practically able to set a tower; anything I set would constitute both an anchor (have to hang around, defend, supply, and tend it), and a vulnerability. And use up far more of my resources than I care to have tied up in any one project. I like living on a shoestring, and going whereever my fancy leads me.

I could join another corp, but I'd rather not. OTOH, I can certainly get a siphon into a system and leach a few units here and there. Partly for the challenge, partly for the lulz, and possibly to stir up a reaction that might get me some targets. Any ISK from this would be bonus.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#62 - 2013-10-02 17:58:29 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

Thats all you relaly need to know about that poster.

Infinity can't easily kill people in null because of local = all those posts about removing local in Features and Ideas.

Infinity can't easily kill TCUs because of hitpoints = complaints about hitpoints

Infinity doesn't want to bring a freind or a resupply alt and ends up with 70 jump round trips to raid "safe" null sec = Infintiy's suggestion that every region have someplace for neutrals to dock up and refit.

All of this with no understanding whatsoever that ALL Infinity suggestions have the same end result : Stronger null sec alliances and safer nullsec (Infinity is another poster that can't learn the lesson know as "Malcanis' Law").

This is all true. I am a terrible player, terrible person and terrible poster. You win the forums. Love Hate.



Truth isn't hate. You seem like you could be a smart person, but like many who fall short if "smart" you seem to be more of an emotional thinker than logical. Have you ever taken a Briggs-Myer test, I'd bet space money you were in the ESFP range (because you're like every irrational ESFP i've ever talked to on psychforums lol).

All i've done is identify what looks to me (from a distance) like a root cause of why your posted opinions don't hold water ( ie your deep-seated selfishness and inability to criticize your own ideas before posting them). Take it for whatever you think it's worth (apparently nothing lol). A foolish person looks outward for the causes of their problems, a wise person looks inwards.
Large Collidable Object
morons.
#63 - 2013-10-02 18:40:19 UTC
Whilst I have advocated for Pvp raiding mechanics to give small gangs a single purpose besides epeen stroking in form of killmails, there are far too few details known about Siphons to come to any kind of verdict.

- What's the ecpected cost of a Siphon?
- How much cargo wil it take?
- How long will it take to anchor?
- Will they work outside of POS gun range?
- Will the owner receive a notification about his POS being raided?
- If so - how long will it take until that notification is sent?
- Will the Siphon pull an amount that's significant enough to make raiding more lucrative than low-level PVE activities during that timeframe and still account for occasional expected losses?

Personally, I would've preferred the addition of some module that lets people bypass POS defenses and enables them to hack the silos to get small amounts of the contents, but anouncing the Siphon is better than nothing, so far.

Of course it won't change anything in the big picture - a bigger alliance is able to form more POS-plundering gangs (duh...) and thus will outperform small alliances or corps - which is perfectly fine.

However, depending on its implementation, it could achieve two things:

1. It could give small gangs a reason to roam null for other reasons than ***** and giggles, looting the occasional ratter or killmails, which are all pointless imho.
2. It would encourage nullsec alliances to keep their systems populated.
Of course only if done right - if setting up a siphon requires incapacitating POS guns, hours of anchoring and then having a notification within 24 hours, telling the owner his POS has leeches, wheras the Siphon pulls 2 mill isk in that timeframe, the mechanic is entirely pointless. If it operates out of gun range, they're quick to set up, cheap and there there wont be any notification whilst leeching worthwhile amounbts of goo, it could be fun. 
You know... [morons.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4gjOx65yD5A)
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#64 - 2013-10-02 19:01:52 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

Thats all you relaly need to know about that poster.

Infinity can't easily kill people in null because of local = all those posts about removing local in Features and Ideas.

Infinity can't easily kill TCUs because of hitpoints = complaints about hitpoints

Infinity doesn't want to bring a freind or a resupply alt and ends up with 70 jump round trips to raid "safe" null sec = Infintiy's suggestion that every region have someplace for neutrals to dock up and refit.

All of this with no understanding whatsoever that ALL Infinity suggestions have the same end result : Stronger null sec alliances and safer nullsec (Infinity is another poster that can't learn the lesson know as "Malcanis' Law").

This is all true. I am a terrible player, terrible person and terrible poster. You win the forums. Love Hate.



Truth isn't hate. You seem like you could be a smart person, but like many who fall short if "smart" you seem to be more of an emotional thinker than logical. Have you ever taken a Briggs-Myer test, I'd bet space money you were in the ESFP range (because you're like every irrational ESFP i've ever talked to on psychforums lol).

All i've done is identify what looks to me (from a distance) like a root cause of why your posted opinions don't hold water ( ie your deep-seated selfishness and inability to criticize your own ideas before posting them). Take it for whatever you think it's worth (apparently nothing lol). A foolish person looks outward for the causes of their problems, a wise person looks inwards.


Your Type
INFP
Introvert(67%) iNtuitive(12%) Feeling(38%) Perceiving(22)%
You have distinctive preference of Introversion over Extraversion (67%)
You have slight preference of Intuition over Sensing (12%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (38%)
You have slight preference of Perceiving over Judging (22%)

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Heinrich Rotwang
Spectre Fleet Corporation
#65 - 2013-10-03 14:03:57 UTC  |  Edited by: Heinrich Rotwang
Internet Psychologist :
"An individual, often pretentious, that takes huge leaps of logic in order to claim an understanding of the real-world persona of someone they come in contact with through the internet. This is usually in an argument or debate, as internet psychologists usually love to think they are right about everything."

Check.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#66 - 2013-10-03 14:23:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

Thats all you relaly need to know about that poster.

Infinity can't easily kill people in null because of local = all those posts about removing local in Features and Ideas.

Infinity can't easily kill TCUs because of hitpoints = complaints about hitpoints

Infinity doesn't want to bring a freind or a resupply alt and ends up with 70 jump round trips to raid "safe" null sec = Infintiy's suggestion that every region have someplace for neutrals to dock up and refit.

All of this with no understanding whatsoever that ALL Infinity suggestions have the same end result : Stronger null sec alliances and safer nullsec (Infinity is another poster that can't learn the lesson know as "Malcanis' Law").

This is all true. I am a terrible player, terrible person and terrible poster. You win the forums. Love Hate.



Truth isn't hate. You seem like you could be a smart person, but like many who fall short if "smart" you seem to be more of an emotional thinker than logical. Have you ever taken a Briggs-Myer test, I'd bet space money you were in the ESFP range (because you're like every irrational ESFP i've ever talked to on psychforums lol).

All i've done is identify what looks to me (from a distance) like a root cause of why your posted opinions don't hold water ( ie your deep-seated selfishness and inability to criticize your own ideas before posting them). Take it for whatever you think it's worth (apparently nothing lol). A foolish person looks outward for the causes of their problems, a wise person looks inwards.


Your Type
INFP
Introvert(67%) iNtuitive(12%) Feeling(38%) Perceiving(22)%
You have distinctive preference of Introversion over Extraversion (67%)
You have slight preference of Intuition over Sensing (12%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (38%)
You have slight preference of Perceiving over Judging (22%)


The "F" part is the important part, if you go back to some of the Features and Ideas posts where we 1st interacted, you'll see i pegged you as an emotional thinker, and you confirm this. Emotional thinkers are good at personal relationships, bad at public (or in this case, "game") policy. Emotional thinkers tend to react in the "if it's bad for me it's bad period" way that you display. A lot of our real life politicians are emotional thinkers, which is why we tend to see lots of knee jerk BS laws come from parliaments, congresses and legislatures.

I mistook you for an E instead of an I, because look at your posting, you love to talk about your exploits, you advertised your raid into tribe space. Introverts don't usually call attention to ourselves like that in my opinion. All in all, INFPs aren't are Bat-#$%^ crazy as ESFPs, so there is hope yet lol.

Also, INTJ 4 life.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#67 - 2013-10-03 14:31:09 UTC
Quote:
The "F" part is the important part, if you go back to some of the Features and Ideas posts where we 1st interacted, you'll see i pegged you as an emotional thinker, and you confirm this. Emotional thinkers are good at personal relationships, bad at public (or in this case, "game") policy. Emotional thinkers tend to react in the "if it's bad for me it's bad period" way that you display. A lot of our real life politicians are emotional thinkers, which is why we tend to see lots of knee jerk BS laws come from parliaments, congresses and legislatures.

I mistook you for an E instead of an I, because look at your posting, you love to talk about your exploits, you advertised your raid into tribe space. Introverts don't usually call attention to ourselves like that in my opinion. All in all, INFPs aren't are Bat-#$%^ crazy as ESFPs, so there is hope yet lol.

Also, INTJ 4 life.


Ditto, actually. Diagnosed as an INTJ fairly early on in my life. Helps explain my megalomania, as people have called it.

And +1 about ESFPs, those people are out of their minds. I honestly cannot listen to them talk with coming to the conclusion that they are completely insane. They have no capacity to look beyond their own noses, and they (hilariously) explode when you point this out.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#68 - 2013-10-03 14:37:04 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
The "F" part is the important part, if you go back to some of the Features and Ideas posts where we 1st interacted, you'll see i pegged you as an emotional thinker, and you confirm this. Emotional thinkers are good at personal relationships, bad at public (or in this case, "game") policy. Emotional thinkers tend to react in the "if it's bad for me it's bad period" way that you display. A lot of our real life politicians are emotional thinkers, which is why we tend to see lots of knee jerk BS laws come from parliaments, congresses and legislatures.

I mistook you for an E instead of an I, because look at your posting, you love to talk about your exploits, you advertised your raid into tribe space. Introverts don't usually call attention to ourselves like that in my opinion. All in all, INFPs aren't are Bat-#$%^ crazy as ESFPs, so there is hope yet lol.

Also, INTJ 4 life.


Ditto, actually. Diagnosed as an INTJ fairly early on in my life. Helps explain my megalomania, as people have called it.

And +1 about ESFPs, those people are out of their minds. I honestly cannot listen to them talk with coming to the conclusion that they are completely insane. They have no capacity to look beyond their own noses, and they (hilariously) explode when you point this out.


I tend to think that it's not SOV and isk that drive EVE conflicts it's personality differences.

I propose all INTJ fleets in Rubicon to go plant siphon units and ESFP types POSs (if they have any, they probably tried to put on up but quit because the anchoring system is racist or somerthing)
Velicitia
XS Tech
#69 - 2013-10-03 14:39:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Velicitia
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
The "F" part is the important part, if you go back to some of the Features and Ideas posts where we 1st interacted, you'll see i pegged you as an emotional thinker, and you confirm this. Emotional thinkers are good at personal relationships, bad at public (or in this case, "game") policy. Emotional thinkers tend to react in the "if it's bad for me it's bad period" way that you display. A lot of our real life politicians are emotional thinkers, which is why we tend to see lots of knee jerk BS laws come from parliaments, congresses and legislatures.

I mistook you for an E instead of an I, because look at your posting, you love to talk about your exploits, you advertised your raid into tribe space. Introverts don't usually call attention to ourselves like that in my opinion. All in all, INFPs aren't are Bat-#$%^ crazy as ESFPs, so there is hope yet lol.

Also, INTJ 4 life.


Ditto, actually. Diagnosed as an INTJ fairly early on in my life. Helps explain my megalomania, as people have called it.

And +1 about ESFPs, those people are out of their minds. I honestly cannot listen to them talk with coming to the conclusion that they are completely insane. They have no capacity to look beyond their own noses, and they (hilariously) explode when you point this out.


so whiny carebears (aka hisec miners) = ESFP?

Though I think we're getting off topic a bit...

Edit -- @ Jenn a Side --> you have my Megathron. Twisted

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#70 - 2013-10-03 14:41:30 UTC
Velicitia wrote:
[quote=Kaarous Aldurald]

so whiny carebears (aka hisec miners) = ESFP?

Though I think we're getting off topic a bit...

Edit -- @ Jenn a Side --> you have my Megathron. Twisted


All Megathrons are belong to Baltec. It says so in the EULA.
Jaun Pacht-Feng
Doomheim
#71 - 2013-10-03 14:49:56 UTC
Gizznitt Malikite wrote:

Dysprosium is 38k / unit (3.8 m / hr)

Falin Whalen wrote:

15% that seems fair.


So, if my math is correct.

If 3.8 m / hr is 15% of the total, then the total is around 25 m / hr.

Then that means 24 hrs of the stuff is 630 m / day.

Which equals to 18,900 Bil /month? Give or take?

Or, in Goonswarm terms:

18,900 Bil/month RMT'd (1 bil = $30 x 19 = $570 - 30% cut) = $399

(All Prices are in USD)

The Fountain campaign makes perfect sense now!

"Go Goon or Go Home"

Perfect description of the biggest problem with Eve. 
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#72 - 2013-10-03 15:06:49 UTC
Why does everything have to be a panacea?


It's going to be yet another item that does stuff. It's not the beginning or the end for anybody or anything. Some players may have a use for it, some don't. That's life.

Are we all so sold on the ways of modern advertising of one-stop-shopping and medications that cure all that we are so conditioned to expect it every time and in every aspect, even a game?

How many pages of this navel gazing will there be in the end?


Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#73 - 2013-10-03 15:09:16 UTC
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
shopping and medications that cure all that we are so conditioned to expect it every time and in every aspect, even a game?

How many pages of this navel gazing will there be in the end?




26, at least.

but you're right, a lot of times people have unreasonable standards and expectations, and when those aren't met, they declare "failure".

I don't think that way, I think that if someone fines a use for something good, but nothing can be all things to all people.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#74 - 2013-10-03 15:09:27 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Quote:
The "F" part is the important part, if you go back to some of the Features and Ideas posts where we 1st interacted, you'll see i pegged you as an emotional thinker, and you confirm this. Emotional thinkers are good at personal relationships, bad at public (or in this case, "game") policy. Emotional thinkers tend to react in the "if it's bad for me it's bad period" way that you display. A lot of our real life politicians are emotional thinkers, which is why we tend to see lots of knee jerk BS laws come from parliaments, congresses and legislatures.

I mistook you for an E instead of an I, because look at your posting, you love to talk about your exploits, you advertised your raid into tribe space. Introverts don't usually call attention to ourselves like that in my opinion. All in all, INFPs aren't are Bat-#$%^ crazy as ESFPs, so there is hope yet lol.

Also, INTJ 4 life.


Ditto, actually. Diagnosed as an INTJ fairly early on in my life. Helps explain my megalomania, as people have called it.

And +1 about ESFPs, those people are out of their minds. I honestly cannot listen to them talk with coming to the conclusion that they are completely insane. They have no capacity to look beyond their own noses, and they (hilariously) explode when you point this out.


I tend to think that it's not SOV and isk that drive EVE conflicts it's personality differences.

I propose all INTJ fleets in Rubicon to go plant siphon units and ESFP types POSs (if they have any, they probably tried to put on up but quit because the anchoring system is racist or somerthing)


Heh, you hit on one pretty well then. ESFPs crave the ability to just handwave arguments by applying a negative label to their opposition, and thereby disqualifying them from participating. To an ESFP, they themselves would feel unable to participate if you successfully applied a label to them. And since they cannot see the world in anything but their own shallow, narrow, self obsessed thinking, they believe this tactic should be successful with all others. The current favorite label is "privilege", but in EVE, this translates frequently into all kinds of anti nullsec sentiments.

They're obsessed not with actually arguing their point (which is wise because it's typically always wrong) but rather trying to tell you why your opinion doesn't count, and therefore winning by default.

Honestly it appalls me that the levels of intellectual dishonesty and self rationalization required do behave like this is not considered clinical insanity.

Oh, and sadly I could not attend such an event. On launch day I expect I shall be otherwise occupied with my thrice blasted relatives. Curse you, society and your expected emotional obligations.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Velicitia
XS Tech
#75 - 2013-10-03 16:05:58 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Velicitia wrote:


so whiny carebears (aka hisec miners) = ESFP?

Though I think we're getting off topic a bit...

Edit -- @ Jenn a Side --> you have my Megathron. Twisted


All Megathrons are belong to Baltec. It says so in the EULA.


Well, I have a few dictors & frigates laying around, but I'm not sure how much use they'll be.Smile

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#76 - 2013-10-03 21:32:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Jenn aSide wrote:

Thats all you relaly need to know about that poster.

Infinity can't easily kill people in null because of local = all those posts about removing local in Features and Ideas.

Infinity can't easily kill TCUs because of hitpoints = complaints about hitpoints

Infinity doesn't want to bring a freind or a resupply alt and ends up with 70 jump round trips to raid "safe" null sec = Infintiy's suggestion that every region have someplace for neutrals to dock up and refit.

All of this with no understanding whatsoever that ALL Infinity suggestions have the same end result : Stronger null sec alliances and safer nullsec (Infinity is another poster that can't learn the lesson know as "Malcanis' Law").

This is all true. I am a terrible player, terrible person and terrible poster. You win the forums. Love Hate.



Truth isn't hate. You seem like you could be a smart person, but like many who fall short if "smart" you seem to be more of an emotional thinker than logical. Have you ever taken a Briggs-Myer test, I'd bet space money you were in the ESFP range (because you're like every irrational ESFP i've ever talked to on psychforums lol).

All i've done is identify what looks to me (from a distance) like a root cause of why your posted opinions don't hold water ( ie your deep-seated selfishness and inability to criticize your own ideas before posting them). Take it for whatever you think it's worth (apparently nothing lol). A foolish person looks outward for the causes of their problems, a wise person looks inwards.


Your Type
INFP
Introvert(67%) iNtuitive(12%) Feeling(38%) Perceiving(22)%
You have distinctive preference of Introversion over Extraversion (67%)
You have slight preference of Intuition over Sensing (12%)
You have moderate preference of Feeling over Thinking (38%)
You have slight preference of Perceiving over Judging (22%)


The "F" part is the important part, if you go back to some of the Features and Ideas posts where we 1st interacted, you'll see i pegged you as an emotional thinker, and you confirm this. Emotional thinkers are good at personal relationships, bad at public (or in this case, "game") policy. Emotional thinkers tend to react in the "if it's bad for me it's bad period" way that you display. A lot of our real life politicians are emotional thinkers, which is why we tend to see lots of knee jerk BS laws come from parliaments, congresses and legislatures.

I mistook you for an E instead of an I, because look at your posting, you love to talk about your exploits, you advertised your raid into tribe space. Introverts don't usually call attention to ourselves like that in my opinion. All in all, INFPs aren't are Bat-#$%^ crazy as ESFPs, so there is hope yet lol.

Also, INTJ 4 life.

I am good at personal relationships. I don't recall the last time somebody didn't like me. Everyone seems to like me in real life.

You're incorrect however about my EvE suggestions. Very few of them would directly impact me. The sov changes wouldn't, while I would have liked to blow up a poco once I wouldn't spend hours and hours blowing them up as a profession. Its the principle that matters.

While I would like to see local go, it would be very bad for me as well, since I rarely PvP, I go on PvP spurts maybe one month in 6 and the rest of the time I'm PvE'ing or doing some other activity that benefits from local (aka not getting ninja killed).

Also I didn't advertise my raid. I made that post as a twist of the knife on the premise of getting people to come down and join me so they're be forced to give me docking rights. That;s the reason I was killing them to get docking rights to one station.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#77 - 2013-10-03 21:37:56 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I am good at personal relationships. I don't recall the last time somebody didn't like me. Everyone seems to like me in real life.

You're incorrect however about my EvE suggestions. Very few of them would directly impact me. The sov changes wouldn't, while I would have liked to blow up a poco once I wouldn't spend hours and hours blowing them up as a profession. Its the principle that matters.

While I would like to see local go, it would be very bad for me as well, since I rarely PvP, I go on PvP spurts maybe one month in 6 and the rest of the time I'm PvE'ing or doing some other activity that benefits from local (aka not getting ninja killed).

Also I didn't advertise my raid. I made that post as a twist of the knife on the premise of getting people to come down and join me so they're be forced to give me docking rights. That;s the reason I was killing them to get docking rights to one station.


I'm sorry but your posting does not support what you say. Every suggestion I've seen you make is intensely self serving, you cannot denied that you made those suggestions. Like your suggestion that SOV space should have somewhere for YOU to dock up to refit. You're actually denying your own words at this point, which makes it hard to take to heart any of the things you say.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#78 - 2013-10-03 21:58:59 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I am good at personal relationships. I don't recall the last time somebody didn't like me. Everyone seems to like me in real life.

You're incorrect however about my EvE suggestions. Very few of them would directly impact me. The sov changes wouldn't, while I would have liked to blow up a poco once I wouldn't spend hours and hours blowing them up as a profession. Its the principle that matters.

While I would like to see local go, it would be very bad for me as well, since I rarely PvP, I go on PvP spurts maybe one month in 6 and the rest of the time I'm PvE'ing or doing some other activity that benefits from local (aka not getting ninja killed).

Also I didn't advertise my raid. I made that post as a twist of the knife on the premise of getting people to come down and join me so they're be forced to give me docking rights. That;s the reason I was killing them to get docking rights to one station.


I'm sorry but your posting does not support what you say. Every suggestion I've seen you make is intensely self serving, you cannot denied that you made those suggestions. Like your suggestion that SOV space should have somewhere for YOU to dock up to refit. You're actually denying your own words at this point, which makes it hard to take to heart any of the things you say.

Shrug

All's fair on eveo general discussion

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#79 - 2013-10-03 22:04:47 UTC
Jenn aSide wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:

I am good at personal relationships. I don't recall the last time somebody didn't like me. Everyone seems to like me in real life.

You're incorrect however about my EvE suggestions. Very few of them would directly impact me. The sov changes wouldn't, while I would have liked to blow up a poco once I wouldn't spend hours and hours blowing them up as a profession. Its the principle that matters.

While I would like to see local go, it would be very bad for me as well, since I rarely PvP, I go on PvP spurts maybe one month in 6 and the rest of the time I'm PvE'ing or doing some other activity that benefits from local (aka not getting ninja killed).

Also I didn't advertise my raid. I made that post as a twist of the knife on the premise of getting people to come down and join me so they're be forced to give me docking rights. That;s the reason I was killing them to get docking rights to one station.


I'm sorry but your posting does not support what you say. Every suggestion I've seen you make is intensely self serving, you cannot denied that you made those suggestions. Like your suggestion that SOV space should have somewhere for YOU to dock up to refit. You're actually denying your own words at this point, which makes it hard to take to heart any of the things you say.

I was right about that refitting though wasn't I? So right the devs agreed and now were getting a deployable refitting module.

They also seemed to agree that sov null was too inaccessible and we, not I, are getting easier access to it.


And I did get access to the station in PB so

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Mocam
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#80 - 2013-10-04 02:06:14 UTC
Andski wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
There are no "big guys" just lots of small scared little guys who can't survive by themselves.

And us soloers, who can.


what about those of us who don't really want to depend on a station's docking sphere for survival


Then don't lose a nullsec war - you'll end up back in empire again and... well... that'd suck wouldn't it? *snicker*