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Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2013-09-29 02:07:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Domanique Altares wrote:
Confirming CCP should put EVE on life support. Harassment tactics have no place here. Abandon hope, potential sneak thieves.

This is true. The only time the "big guys" should have to undock is after they receive a 24 hour email notice and have a chance to get a really good solid 8 hours sleep to prepare for all the "hard work" required to run an alliance. Anything else is unthinkable. There should be no spontaneity in EvE online.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#22 - 2013-09-29 02:13:29 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Confirming CCP should put EVE on life support. Harassment tactics have no place here. Abandon hope, potential sneak thieves.

This is true. The only time the "big guys" should have to undock is after they receive a 24 hour email notice and have a chance to get a really good solid 8 hours sleep to prepare for all the "hard work" required to run an alliance. Anything else is unthinkable. There should be no spontaneity in EvE online.


You're still hurt about that failed pos bash? This asset attack notification thing is really getting under your skin.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Andracin
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#23 - 2013-09-29 02:20:24 UTC
Like someone said earlier, few high-end low sec moons are held by low sec locals. Most are owned and religiously defended by null entities who come through only to scoop goo and refuel when necessary. While I don't see the siphon being a game changer it definitly will make owning a universe's worth of high end moons a much more labor intensive proposition if you want to keep them at 100% max profit. And if you get good at it, and your target don't come through to check you might be able to pull a tidy profit off their work...like ninja salvage v2.0
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#24 - 2013-09-29 02:23:55 UTC
Quote:
...like ninja salvage v2.0


That's why it gets the upvote from me.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Infinity Ziona
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#25 - 2013-09-29 02:36:41 UTC  |  Edited by: Infinity Ziona
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Confirming CCP should put EVE on life support. Harassment tactics have no place here. Abandon hope, potential sneak thieves.

This is true. The only time the "big guys" should have to undock is after they receive a 24 hour email notice and have a chance to get a really good solid 8 hours sleep to prepare for all the "hard work" required to run an alliance. Anything else is unthinkable. There should be no spontaneity in EvE online.


You're still hurt about that failed pos bash? This asset attack notification thing is really getting under your skin.

Never shot a POS in my life. I did get shot by one the other day warping to a celestial though, warped out with [I ] that much armor. Fun Fun.

CCP Fozzie “We can see how much money people are making in nullsec and it is, a gigantic amount, a shit-ton… in null sec anomalies. “*

Kaalrus pwned..... :)
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#26 - 2013-09-29 02:40:27 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Confirming CCP should put EVE on life support. Harassment tactics have no place here. Abandon hope, potential sneak thieves.

This is true. The only time the "big guys" should have to undock is after they receive a 24 hour email notice and have a chance to get a really good solid 8 hours sleep to prepare for all the "hard work" required to run an alliance. Anything else is unthinkable. There should be no spontaneity in EvE online.


You're still hurt about that failed pos bash? This asset attack notification thing is really getting under your skin.

Never shot a POS in my life. I did get shot by one the other day warping to a celestial though, warped out with [I ] that much armor. Fun Fun.


Well, that's one way to act in the face of failure.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#27 - 2013-09-29 02:50:23 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Confirming CCP should put EVE on life support. Harassment tactics have no place here. Abandon hope, potential sneak thieves.

This is true. The only time the "big guys" should have to undock is after they receive a 24 hour email notice and have a chance to get a really good solid 8 hours sleep to prepare for all the "hard work" required to run an alliance. Anything else is unthinkable. There should be no spontaneity in EvE online.

You're still hurt about that failed pos bash? This asset attack notification thing is really getting under your skin.

Never shot a POS in my life. I did get shot by one the other day warping to a celestial though, warped out with [I ] that much armor. Fun Fun.

Well, that's one way to act in the face of failure.

A failed TCU bash, I see.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#28 - 2013-09-29 02:53:18 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Well, that's one way to act in the face of failure.

A failed TCU bash, I see.


Oh, dear me. I confused pos and TCU. I'll never forgive myself.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#29 - 2013-09-29 02:56:13 UTC
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kaarous Aldurald wrote:

Well, that's one way to act in the face of failure.

A failed TCU bash, I see.

Oh, dear me. I confused pos and TCU. I'll never forgive myself.

Well it's ok, since if you had, you'd have to (freighter?) bring in a TCU of your own... which is also expensive.

And then a siegefleet would shoot your tcu and we'd drop another.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Gilbaron
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#30 - 2013-09-29 05:58:20 UTC
Infinity Ziona wrote:
Domanique Altares wrote:
Confirming CCP should put EVE on life support. Harassment tactics have no place here. Abandon hope, potential sneak thieves.

This is true. The only time the "big guys" should have to undock is after they receive a 24 hour email notice and have a chance to get a really good solid 8 hours sleep to prepare for all the "hard work" required to run an alliance. Anything else is unthinkable. There should be no spontaneity in EvE online.



These are some very wise and true words

The Siphon Unit (if implemented correctly) is going to be a major game changer
Evangelina Nolen
Sama Guild
#31 - 2013-09-29 09:16:13 UTC
or you could use 5 dreads for 3 seige cycles 15 minutes b4 DT.
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#32 - 2013-09-29 09:30:19 UTC
I am looking forward to stealing from you all even if it isn't profitable. Just because I can. Especially in wormholes. This could be great for campers.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Xorionna
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#33 - 2013-09-29 10:16:18 UTC
Will multiple POS siphons have stacking penalties ?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#34 - 2013-09-29 10:19:19 UTC
Novaroid wrote:
Although these siphons seem like a good idea they're not going to have the intended effect.

All these hopes that POS Siphon is going to create some viable guerilla tactics to damage big alliances is wishfull thinking. If anything the big alliances like CFC will be the least affected by them. They have the pilots and resources to cover all the time zones and make sure their important moon mining reaction farms are never impacted by this.


Small pirate gangs arent going to go deep into their space to attack these...they are more likely to go after the small corps or even the independent moon miner / reaction farmer that has a few towers in low or null sec. These small corps cant cover all the timezones and wont have the time to clear their POS daily.


If these operations become unprofitable due to siphons these small corps only have two choices.
1. Packup and go to Hi-sec
2. Join a mega alliance that can keep your POS secure


For a lot of small corp players the only point to even go to null or low sec is for moon mining and reactions. If that game play isnt viable then no reason to be there.

Looks to me like CCP believes that operating a POS should only be for the realm of the big alliances like CFC etc..
Anything designed to hurt a big alliance will hurt a smaller one by a much larger factor.

We will see how these changes turn out..but I fully expect these changes to either drive more people out of low/null or into larger alliance blobs.


On a side note..as far as plausible reality..I can understand how a siphon could steal from a moon harvester beam sucking resources from a moon. But explain a reaction silo...this beam magically can go thru a POS shield a pull material thru a silo wall?
I expect game mechanics should at leas have some form of realisitc plausibilty.


I disagree. Small organisations with only 1 or 2 valuable moons will be much more likely to closely guard their assets.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#35 - 2013-09-29 11:42:44 UTC  |  Edited by: Herzog Wolfhammer
We appear to get stuck on the All or Nothing result of things. Typical in western society.


Either this is supposed to be the end of moon mining dominance for nullsec overlords, or it's the end for the little guy.

But you have to think of chess and go at least a few layers deep when considering this siphon thing.


It's going to stir up trouble, that's for sure. That may well be the idea. And if hit-and-run moon siphoning turns out to be lucrative, expect trouble.


The days of deserted nulllsec (save for the chugging of moon mining peacefully sucking away) might be coming to an end. It certainly won't be quiet.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!
Zappity
New Eden Tank Testing Services
#36 - 2013-09-29 11:51:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Zappity
Herzog Wolfhammer wrote:
We appear to get stuck on the All or Nothing result of things. Typical in western society.

Either this is supposed to be the end of moon mining dominance for nullsec overlords, or it's the end for the little guy.

But you have to think of chess and go at least a few layers deep when considering this siphon thing.

It's going to stir up trouble, that's for sure. That may well be the idea. And if hit-and-run moon siphoning turns out to be lucrative, expect trouble.

The days of deserted nulllsec (save for the chugging of moon mining peacefully sucking away) might be coming to an end. It certainly won't be quiet.


Exactly. Anyway, I'm more comfortable with CCP taking a 'baby steps' approach to practically everything they do. The game is so complicated and the various ecosystems so inter-related that large changes in a single instance would almost certainly bugger something up badly.

Zappity's Adventures for a taste of lowsec and nullsec.
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#37 - 2013-09-29 13:04:20 UTC
It's more likely that the people already in the alliance/corp that aren't getting a cut of the moongoo and pissed off about it will be the ones to put up the siphons.

But IDK, it feels like a lame mechanic, not morally, but just IDK lame.

Don't ban me, bro!
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#38 - 2013-09-29 13:18:10 UTC
…I'm just wondering how many corps will put these on their own towers to no longer have to fiddle with offlining and onlinig their silos. P
KuroVolt
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#39 - 2013-09-29 14:16:42 UTC
Its all going to depend on wether or not you get a notification of a *Spah sappin mah POS*

If you dont get a notification, its going to be a nerf to the alliances that hold alot of sov or just pluck down POSs here and there but rarely actually traverse the area of their POSs.
Meaningwhile it would only be a small nuicance to alliances that actually live in the space where they have POSs.




If you just get a notification however, nothing changes.

BoBwins Law: As a discussion/war between two large nullsec entities grows longer, the probability of one comparing the other to BoB aproaches near certainty.
Kaarous Aldurald
Black Hydra Consortium.
#40 - 2013-09-29 14:19:45 UTC
Tippia wrote:
…I'm just wondering how many corps will put these on their own towers to no longer have to fiddle with offlining and onlinig their silos. P


I... you are a genius. Theoretically you couldn't double up on these either, so it would potentially help prevent theft too.

"Verily, I have often laughed at the weaklings who thought themselves good because they had no claws."

One of ours, ten of theirs.

Best Meltdown Ever.