EVE General Discussion

Although these siphons seem like a good idea they're not going to have the intended effect.

All these hopes that POS Siphon is going to create some viable guerilla tactics to damage big alliances is wishfull thinking. If anything the big alliances like CFC will be the least affected by them. They have the pilots and resources to cover all the time zones and make sure their important moon mining reaction farms are never impacted by this.


Small pirate gangs arent going to go deep into their space to attack these...they are more likely to go after the small corps or even the independent moon miner / reaction farmer that has a few towers in low or null sec. These small corps cant cover all the timezones and wont have the time to clear their POS daily.


If these operations become unprofitable due to siphons these small corps only have two choices.
1. Packup and go to Hi-sec
2. Join a mega alliance that can keep your POS secure


For a lot of small corp players the only point to even go to null or low sec is for moon mining and reactions. If that game play isnt viable then no reason to be there.

Looks to me like CCP believes that operating a POS should only be for the realm of the big alliances like CFC etc..
Anything designed to hurt a big alliance will hurt a smaller one by a much larger factor.

We will see how these changes turn out..but I fully expect these changes to either drive more people out of low/null or into larger alliance blobs.


On a side note..as far as plausible reality..I can understand how a siphon could steal from a moon harvester beam sucking resources from a moon. But explain a reaction silo...this beam magically can go thru a POS shield a pull material thru a silo wall?
I expect game mechanics should at leas have some form of realisitc plausibilty.

Have to agree here. Not really sure what damage is likely to be done.
And so you go up to a POS, which undoubtedly has guns, you still need to stop those killing you while you anchor your structure. Then it has no access rights, so anyone can take the materials. I find it unlikely that a siphon first of will successfully get placed by a solo operator, then secondly would stay up long enough to actually take anything, and thirdly that anyone would be able to get a hauler in to get the goods out.
I have a feeling these structures will get placed alongside defender missiles.

Kell has another good point.

If these things aren't immune to pos guns, which we have to assume they're not or this will quickly become ridiculous, then this is just going to make people start putting guns on their pos more often.

At which point, rather than outright pos bash to get the stuff, you'd have to get a fleet together to take out the guns, then start up the siphon. Which is still easier than reinforcing it and having to take it out the next day, but we will see what impact it has.

But I still know a few people who I plan on stealing from if they don't put guns on their pos lol.

This is why we need to remove reinforcement timers

You mean if everyone is equal, then the greater number of equal people who act cooperatively are more likely to weild the greater effective power in most scenarios?

You just, like, blew my mind, man.

There are no "big guys" just lots of small scared little guys who can't survive by themselves.

And us soloers, who can.

Conversely, you could argue that there are no group players, just people sociologically unable to adjust to group dynamics, and those who can't.

It works both ways.

But, obfuscation aside, several of the nullsec alliances are "big guys", by whatever metric you choose to apply. Quite a few of the larger wormhole groups too, certainly. And almost definitely Chribba. I am not familiar enough with the lowsec power blocs to judge them.

Some are more equal than others.

You guys don't understand, a significant number of valuable moons that large alliances control are not in their home territories. Quite often they are controlled by distant landlords that have the force projection to defend given the RF mechanics. This mechanic allows a locals that really don't have the power to take the moon to force those distant landlords to keep a force in the area or risk having the moon devalued.

As pointed out in the previous thread I listed, economics will be a huge factor in determining the success of this new device.

A tower produces 100 units of resources an hour.

Tech is at 11k / unit (1.1m / hr)
Thulium is 15k / unit (1.5 m / hr)
Promethium is 20k / unit (2 m / hr)
Neodymium is 26k / unit (2.6 m / hr)
Dysprosium is 38k / unit (3.8 m / hr)

How much is "stolen" per cycle will have a huge impact on the profitability of doing this, as well as the need to defend against this. A process material generates 200 units / hr, and often doubles the value of individual components. If you can get complex materials via this "siphon", you can make some serious profits unless the POS is well defended.

There is the question of how close to the tower this siphon needs to be anchored, too. Guns shoot out to 250km's, but grids stretch well beyond that. You may have to declaw a tower before you can set one of these up!

You shoulda put "TL;DR- Malcanis' law" at the end of this.