Player Features and Ideas Discussion

so lets say scanners go flashy. u engage with a PvP ship and then ur face goes white when u realise the scanner is actually baiting and his logi friends appear. u get stomped and the tears flow all the same. Since the T1 logistic buff ninja's and baiters are more commonly backed by RR. And going suspect for stealing cans and mission loot hasn't empowered the victim as much as u would hope. The same will be for scanning.

scanners will go suspect, but ppl will quickly learn that they are often baiting and backed up. And assuming that scanning does not cause a weapons timer, any non-combat prepared scout can jump the moment u open fire.

so even if scanners go suspect, the best counter to ganks are STILL and ALWAYS WILL BE:

1) carry less/take more trips
2) avoid dangerous systems
or failing both of those,
3) fly with scouts, logi, webbers, boosters and ECM buds.

The whole process of implementing this would be largely futile, and still detrimental to any future plans to have players acting as customs peeps.



except scouts are almost always alts. it has nothing to do with cowardice. chill out.

@OP: Please clarify in Post #1 and Title that this is for Cargo Scanners and not Ship Scanners to go "Suspect"? Either that or I'm barking up the wrong tree here.

Thanks.

choice is good, i agree with that. And if ppl want to get themselves into that thats fine. What i'm disputing is that suspect timers do not dispense justice like ppl seem to think they do. Hardly anyone touches people who have gone suspect, and with good reason.

ppl who go suspect generally come prepared, with friends and have a good knowledge of game mechanics. the majority of those who suddenly see someone go suspect on grid (e.g. general high sec population) have had no time to prepare, often have no friends nearby (if they have any in the game at all) and a limited knowledge of mechanics. They know that if they engaged, they'd be in over their depth. And there are those who do engage people with suspect timers and end up dying as my friends did just last night lol.

Scanning could become part of a legitimate career in eve, IS already part of spying and recon work and i wouldn't like it nerfed by a system that wouldn't really solve the issue of gankers pre-scanning. Especially when there are already existing counters to the real problem most of u have (which is ganking, this whole thread is about ganking, not scanning.)

Well, I don't remember the last time I got arrested for looking into someone's car.
If you don't want your ship to be looked at, cloak.

Ganking is the symptom of which Cargo Scanning is the cause. You scan before you gank (if you're in it for the profit\loss I believe) and hence all the "Wahhh" in this thread.

If you couldn't Cargo Scan how many ganks do you think would happen along trade routes? I'd be like "Gone in 60 Seconds" where when Memphis Rains retires car crime dropped by 47% lol. Anyway, getting to pick whatever apple you want from the tree without any risk whatsoever or consequence doesn't sit right with me.

If you engage in PVP with one person but don't think you can now take him you can't just simply move onto the next guy...you have caused an action to which there is a consequence. You may lose your ship or you may kill your opponents but there is risk = reward.

Cargo Scanning there is no such risk for the Scout\Scanner but there is for the Hauler, that someone wants what they have got in the hold and there is nothing they can do about it. You can't double wrap anymore, you can use a Blockade Runner (posted up earlier by myself) but can't ship anything of size, there is no module to fight a Cargo Scanner and there is no mechanic against it either.

All this will do is promote even more alts.

Well, it's a sacrifice: cloak and safety/small hold vs. flying visible and getting scanned, big cargo. Working as intended.

Ganksquad goes all-in, always. They don't always get the loot. There's risk of failure, losing the loot or the target getting smart: taking a detour, docking and logging off upon getting scanned.

New Eden is supposed to be dangerous. Adapt or die - I'm sure someone will benefit from your demise.

There is none. But that's the way gankers like it - no risk.
Scan ship/cargo - nothing valuable, find something else. Find something shiny, gank it.

Not quite sure how more plainly I can put this (I've asked OP to clarify) but I'm talking about Cargo Scanning\Cargo Scanners.

Caro Scanning is done because you are curious as to what others are hauling? You like to "Cargo Spot"? Come on, get real, you cargo scan to pick the juiciest of targets so you don't risk your T1 ships on nothing...nothing more nothing less just plain old economics.

You don't gank an empty Hoarder right? You'd gank a Mastodon full of Implants and BPO's though right? Of course you would and how do you know that it has those on board? Cos you "popped the trunk" to take a look. Intent to steal and it's the intent to steal that leads to the gank.

Without the Cargo Scanning\Cargo Scanners I'm betting not many people would continue to gank.

As for passive targeting, well I've already covered targeting and that it's a different kettle of fish.

my god i thought high-sec gankers were supposed to be a rough and tumble kind of crowd. if you people here are any representation of the larger ganking player base, well lets just say none of us should be concerned about losing cargo. ive never seen a bigger display of carebear crying!

"wahhh we wanna stealz yer stuff but dont wanna risk anything, please CCP i dont wanna lose T1 frig!!!!"

bunch of whining little scaredy-bears.


the fact is not alot will change if scanning cargo gets you suspected. the ship who scanned will get concorded like his mates (if hes dumb enough to hang around) just like he deserves. and there will be an increase in opportunities for PvP in highsec. thats it. i cant see how thats bad for anyone involved.

and put aside your personal agenda for like one second. this idea makes EVE, more EVE-y! its just a plain old cool idea and like many have said, its got real world roots.

dont wanna take the risk of ganking in highsec? then dont gank in highsec. simple as that. dont wanna get ganked in highsec? fly a crane like me and "LOL" your way through every gate camp and gank gang. and FFS, no one hauls AFK without having the money to back the loss. AFK haulers rarely complain on the forums because they are too busy making serious bank and laughing at the ganker who thinks taking down one of his 15 freighters that day is a good way to make money.